Should I get off, or stay on

[JG1]

Guys, been off for 5 months. Started on tren at 75mg/EOD last Friday. Yesterday was my third shot.

Monday my throat starting feeling weird, like a windburn type of pain. It seems to be now in my upper chest/throat area. Also have bad headaches and ears feel like there a lot of pressure. I can feel the my throat/upper chest the most when I bend over or when I lay down...or when I take a DEEP breath.

Not sure if I should just get off now (thrid shot, 5th day into my cycle)....or if I should just jump on some anti-biotics and see if whatever I have clears up.

Need opinions here.

 

[JG1]

It doesn't sound like any type of allergic reaction does it?

 

[PBR]

Personally, with having had that much time off, and only a couple of doses on a new cycle...I would pull out...you are not going to notice anything at all., meaning your not going to have changed your appearance with 3 shots of tren....why risk it????? it may be the tren causing the symptoms, or you could have aquired something else unrelated....none the less....bad way to start off....mixing antibiotics just to "STAY-ON"....hardly seems worth it to me bro....really....

 

[JG1]

If I come off how bad will the crash be with only 3 shots? Just started the cycle 5 days ago. Should I do my standard clomid therapy, or skip it and just hit the avena sativa pretty hard?

I'm not sure whats causing it exactly. I started having these symptons a few weeks ago...little throat pain and headaches, but it went away. All of a sudden come Monday nigth it hits me.

I have no problems with coming off, I'd just hate to come off if this is unrealted to the tren.

My fiance is bringing me home some Avalox (sp?) from work, going to start on that. If this doesn't feel ANY better by tomorrow evening (supposed to take my next shot then) I'm coming off.

 

[serge]

If I come off how bad will the crash be with only 3 shots? Just started the cycle 5 days ago. Should I do my standard clomid therapy, orksip it and just hit the avena sativa pretty hard?

I'm not sure whats causing it exactly. I started having these symptons a few weeks ago...little throat pain and headaches, but it went away. All of a sudden come Monday nigth it hits me.

I have no problems with coming off, I'd just hate to come off if this is unrealted to the tren.

My fiance is bringing me home some Avalox (sp?) from work, going to start on that. If this doesn't feel ANY better by tomorrow evening (supposed to take my next shot then) I'm coming off.

wont be any crash, i would deffinetly dump the gear untill all is well again

 

[PBR]

Absolutely, no crash at all....stopping this may help you figure out whats going on....the "shit" puts a tax on your immune system, so help it out...

 

[conan69]

Sounds like SARS

 

[JG1]

I was mostly concerned with the crash, but I guess you guys are right, getting off after 3 shots won't be too bad on my recovery. I'll just hit the avena sativa hard (like 3g/day) for a couple weeks.

I'm still gonna start on the antibiotics tonight though.

 

[Ulter]

Come on Serge, How can you make a statement like that? There won't be any crash? How do you know that?

JG1 You are shut down from tren practically as it leaves the syringe on your first shot. By now your HPTA is at the very least inhibited. Use the clomid for a couple weeks.

 

[serge]

Come on Serge, How can you make a statement like that? There won't be any crash? How do you know that?

JG1 You are shut down from tren practically as it leaves the syringe on your first shot. By now your HPTA is at the very least inhibited. Use the clomid for a couple weeks.

after reviewing some blood work data generated while running 2 week cycles of tren/dbol (with eithr prop, NPP or winny) im convinced that HPTA recovers extremely quickly after 2 week burst, in this case JG1 took only 3 shots, i dont think much damage has been done, although may want to take some cloms or nolvas

 

[Spidey]

While his HPTA is probably suppressed somewhat, 5 days of suppression will be easy to overcome. It's the long term suppression that people have a hard time overcoming.

That being said, a little help wouldn't hurt. I would suggest a scaled down version of clomid therapy though; maybe 50 mg ed for a week. Pharmacokinetic studies have shown that maximum plasma conc. of clomid is obtained after only 6 hours with one 50 mg dose and the drug has a biological half life of 5 days. This data would seem to indicate that loading up on 300 mg and 100 mg ed is useless anyway. Peak plasma conc. is peak plasma conc. Taking more will not increase it.

 

[Ulter]

I am not saying he won't over come it. No one here knows what his normal test levels look like and to say the suppression for a week won't have an effect is a guess I wouldn't make. I agree he most likely won't need to do the full blown clomid routine but at least one a day is in order here.

 

[JG1]

Thanks for the replies....I appreciate it.

Ok, so perhaps run clomid for two weeks or so at 50mg/day. Took a 75mg shot yesterday at 6pm....when should I start on the clomid? Bout 5 days or so after the last shot of tren? Sunday night perhaps?

 

[Ulter]

Start today.

 

[Spidey]

I would start 3 to 4 days after your last shot. Take 50 mg ed for a week and see how you feel. If you feel that your sex drive is normal, you could probably stop it at that point. Or, you could take it another week to be sure.