Short cycle completed, in PCT now...thoughts and a question

[evolutionoftherevolution]

Keep using the clomid. Arimidex and a few herbs raise my libido, but it drops as soon as I stop generally - clomid will usually raise it after using it for a few weeks and keep it there.

That is exactly the advice I was looking for. I've debated dropping it due to "potential" side effects (the headaches, but they're gone now), but I will continue to use it in combination with the other stuff.

Thanks!

 

[evolutionoftherevolution]

Thanks. I was planning on the clomid. What do you think about substituting A-dex for Nolva at 20mg/day for the full three weeks? It's been a while since I have done a larger cycle, for the main reason that I didn't take my PCT seriously enough then. I was younger and foolish at that time. Since then I've realized its importance and I'm trying to fine-tune exactly what I will do before I cross that bridge.

Right now I'm running 500mg HCG twice a week to help w/ atrophy, etc..., will discontinue that about a week prior to ending the cycle and will begin the herbal regimen, along w/ clomid, etc... In short, I'm doing my best to do it right. Any suggestions you might have are welcome...but I like the herbal approach your taking as well. Any sources you recommend for the herbs?

The sources I use for herbal products are the following:

Unleashed and Post Cycle from Protein Factory
Tribulus Fuel from Twinlab (NOT THE ONE WITH DHEA INCLUDED, JUST TRIBULUS)
Maca from Nature's way (Post Cycle comes with Maca, but I'm a high dosage kinda guy)

Regarding replacing Nolva with A-Dex...

Alot of guys on this board will say to NOT use A-Dex post cycle and instead use Nolva and Clomid. I personally do not agree with this for a few reasons. First, I would use either Nolva OR (not and) Clomid due to the fact that they are both anti-estrogens...in other words the both compete for the estrogen receptor which can prevent gyno and a host of other estrogen based side effects, BUT Clomid, from my research is far superior to Nolvadex in it's ability to cause a spike in FH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone) and LH (Luteinzing Hormone) which ultimately causes testosterone production to come back to normal or higher.

Now, although this goes against what most guys think, I read a great article about using an anti-aromatase like Arimidex (as opposed to an anti-estrogen like Nolvadex) post steroid cycle (I believe it was posted by Paul Allen). A few of the benefits are keeping excessive estrogen in check and a slight LH increase.

But the big thing that Arimidex is supposed to do I've also theorized myself (and this is something that I've come up with but could be wrong) that Arimidex may counteract some of the side effects of Clomid. Now Clomid has obvious effects on increasing natural testosterone (though not directly), but there are two main side effects that are pretty damn undesireable... increase of SHBG and estrogen like side effects...keep in mind that Clomid itself IS a synthetic oestrogen. Arimidex from what i've read will DECREASE SHBG and possibly prevent any estrogen like sides from the Clomid. Again, this is just a theory, but in 3 weeks I'm getting a massive blood test done and I'll know if I was right or not.

Anyway, the combo of those two drugs, one anti-aromatase and one anti-estrogen are my preferred choice post steroid cycle.

I also used A-Dex throughout the cycle as well. Hope this helps...

 

[evolutionoftherevolution]

How long are going to stay on the herbal therapy? Looks like a good combination and I'm running a short cycle right now myself. Should be done around the end of July and would like to consider something similar to what your doing.

I'm going to take everything except for the Clomid (which I'm running for 2 weeks only) for 4 weeks straight, then get a follow up blood test done. Should be interesting...

 

[bigbair]

I appreciate all the feedback. Great info and a great post. Thanks for sharing your experiences and ideas about the PCT and the herbs you incorporated. I will DEFINITELY be able to incorporate this into my PCT. Thanks again bro.

 

[tiger88]

i really like what u have done but i just would have used test prop all the way though also i agree with some clomid for insurance

for pct ever thought about uping the tribulus ?

also what are you paying for maca ?

if and when i do a short 6 week cycle i will try PCT like yours but a few changes
1-6 test tren winny all @ 50 mg ED

4 days later
20 mg nolva (3 weeks)
clomid 150 mg day one clomid day 2-14 100 mg ED (just in case)!
maca 1000 mg (3 weeks)
r-ALA at 2000 mg ED
tribulus 2000-2500 mg ED (3 weeks)
and some zma fuel since i have about 8 bottles
inject b12 1000mcg EOD