Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below electrical engineering and your business background arent math degrees. though a ton of sophisticated math is involved, they arent math degrees. if your major was math and you took that to a phd, you would be certifiable in math after taking about 8 teaching classes. my wife is a teacher, i know all about the certifications and degrees. simply put, though you are extremely educated and obviously very smart, you didnt major in math. why would i want an electrical engineer teaching 8th grade algebra? thats why the certification system has been pushed in place. to weed out all of those who arent supposed to be there, regardless of their background. the smartest people are usually the worst educators because they arent able to break down and chunk information for the variety of multisensory learners they will teach. they can teach themselves and thats it. thats why teachers need to be certified. its also a racket set up by the states to ensure consistent income from a source that will never disappear.
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electrical engineering and your business background arent math degrees. though a ton of sophisticated math is involved, they arent math degrees. if your major was math and you took that to a phd, you would be certifiable in math after taking about 8 teaching classes. my wife is a teacher, i know all about the certifications and degrees. simply put, though you are extremely educated and obviously very smart, you didnt major in math. why would i want an electrical engineer teaching 8th grade algebra? thats why the certification system has been pushed in place. to weed out all of those who arent supposed to be there, regardless of their background. the smartest people are usually the worst educators because they arent able to break down and chunk information for the variety of multisensory learners they will teach. they can teach themselves and thats it. thats why teachers need to be certified. its also a racket set up by the states to ensure consistent income from a source that will never disappear.
mrplunkey
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And therein is the problem. I need a teaching certificate, regardless of my real qualifications.
And I sit on the board of trustees and the executive committee of a university that issues more than 800 teaching certificates per year. I'm vaguely familiar with this subject.
Maybe I've been working in industry for 25+ years and I want to give back by educating tomorrow's leaders. What would be wrong with that?
And this is the real issue. It's an income-protection racket. The only way were're going to clean this mess up is with educational vouchers and free markets, but that's an entirely different thread.
I'd love to see a law that says anyone without a Ph.D. terminal degree in engineering and life sciences isn't eligible to sell medical products in the US. I want some income protection too!
PICK3
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That shit about if one train left from Chicago at 9 a.m. and the other train left N.Y. at 10:15 a.m. at what time would they pass each other always fucked with my head.
just sayin'
Fonz...is that you? long time no see. lol
mrplunkey
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Yeah, but if I posed it as a question about one guy needing five minutes of oral and 10 minutes of anal to come, and the other guy needing twelve minutes of oral and 4 minutes of anal to come, you could prolly tell me which guy you'd kiss first so they both deliver their money shots on you at the same time.
You're a genius, as long as the problem is cast as a real-world example that is relative to you.
Just sayin'
mrplunkey
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so then you know why certifications and degrees are necessary in teaching. why ask? 10 years ago you had people with no math background teaching math. the certs were put in place to make sure this cant happen. and though your educational background and employment history may make you a great candidate to teach math, you simply cant. but you know this already.
PICK3
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mrplunkey
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mrplunkey
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And that is the problem. We've got a system that's more concerned with fill-in-the-blank certifications than it is with real qualifications. My daughter is in honors statistics class in high school right now and 75% of her tests are short-answer text-based questions. It's obvious that her teacher doesn't understand statistics at all, but she's got her "certs". I wanted her to use Bayes' Theorem on her class project, only to find that her high school stats teacher doesn't know what Baye's Theorem is. That must not have been part of the certificaiton process.
Qualifications are a fine way to sort-out job applications or to pre-qualify prospective hires, but that's no way to run a railroad. Our best chemist in the company (and we do a lot of chemistry) doesn't even have a college degree. But that's the beauty of the private sector -- we vote with our dollars. When it's time to put money and reputation on the line, I could give a damn less about a person's certifications. The power of the dollar sees through all that garbage.
