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Everyone here seems to be completely against a low dose of deca only for ten weeks and have alot of S**t to say about it. In reality, id like to know who here has actually done itt and experienced this "horrible unavoidable shutdown"? and it doesn't count if you've taken test with your deca and have gotten shut down because test in itself suppreses your endogenous test as well, which in reality would only compound and add to the "shutdown" effects of the deca run at 200mg/wk for ten weeks. please enlighten me! :artist:
 
zeplin7464 said:
Everyone here seems to be completely against a low dose of deca only for ten weeks and have alot of S**t to say about it. In reality, id like to know who here has actually done itt and experienced this "horrible unavoidable shutdown"? and it doesn't count if you've taken test with your deca and have gotten shut down because test in itself suppreses your endogenous test as well, which in reality would only compound and add to the "shutdown" effects of the deca run at 200mg/wk for ten weeks. please enlighten me! :artist:
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Never done Deca on its own, but use it almost all the time on cycle. Some guys will not use progesterones at all due to the sides. I use it mainly for joint support & tissue repair. It is wise to treat prolactin issues, which you will get on long term use, with a course of Dostinex or Bromo every now & again. I think this is the key.
 
Do you want to risk fucking up your test levels for good and ruining your body. Maybe you should reconsider deca only and perhaps start with something lighter like var.
 
NZ, what about not long term use and a cycle of just 10 weeks? and thank you hog i already know you love test, tell me something new. I dont mean to be rude but all i usually hear is take test. f*** test, ive had friends get really messed up with it. If there is someone on this form who has ran deca alone please let me know and share your experience, otherwise id rather not hear your test induced OPINIONS
 
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NZ, what about not long term use and a cycle of just 10 weeks? and thank you hog i already know you love test, tell me something new. I dont mean to be rude but all i usually hear is take test. f*** test, ive had friends get really messed up with it. If there is someone on this form who has ran deca alone please let me know and share your experience, otherwise id rather not hear your test induced OPINIONS
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you seem to be so hung up on deca being a safe alternative to test or something. bro, this really isnt the case. i know more people who have gotten gyno from deca than test. please realise there is no 'safe' alternative, all steroids have the potential to fuck you up if taken carelessly, deca included.test may sound scary at first, and you may know some people who have messed themselves up on it, but im willing to bet that they were foolish and didnt really know what they were doing. the likelihood of sides at a low dose of test are very, very slim and easily manageable if they do occur. i know people who have run deca on its own, and then said after the cycle that they really wish they had have got some test to run with it. trust me, test is not the big bad wolf you think it is, you wont turn into a snarling, acne ridden hairy monster with shrunken testicles provided you plan your cycle sensibly, keep a decent a.i on hand, use hcg and plan a solid pct.
 
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you seem to be so hung up on deca being a safe alternative to test or something. bro, this really isnt the case. i know more people who have gotten gyno from deca than test. please realise there is no 'safe' alternative, all steroids have the potential to fuck you up if taken carelessly, deca included.test may sound scary at first, and you may know some people who have messed themselves up on it, but im willing to bet that they were foolish and didnt really know what they were doing. the likelihood of sides at a low dose of test are very, very slim and easily manageable if they do occur. i know people who have run deca on its own, and then said after the cycle that they really wish they had have got some test to run with it. trust me, test is not the big bad wolf you think it is, you wont turn into a snarling, acne ridden hairy monster with shrunken testicles provided you plan your cycle sensibly, keep a decent a.i on hand, use hcg and plan a solid pct.
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Not doing it only to get size and strength but also to ease the pain of a fucked up back. additionally i will be under the care of a licensed doctor of sports medicine, who in fact told me in these exact words " the deca will help your back and be magic at 2oo mg since your androgen recpetors are clean, and only add test if you want t become one big zit!" im already face acne ridden by the way, well luckily have it under control as we speak, knock on wood.
 
zeplin7464 said:
Not doing it only to get size and strength but also to ease the pain of a fucked up back. additionally i will be under the care of a licensed doctor of sports medicine, who in fact told me in these exact words " the deca will help your back and be magic at 2oo mg since your androgen recpetors are clean, and only add test if you want t become one big zit!" im already face acne ridden by the way, well luckily have it under control as we speak, knock on wood.
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a licensed sports medicine doctor said that? :rolleyes:
 
I've been running gear for 24 years bro. I've used every compound in every combination & have competed @ the national level. Yes, in my early years I ran deca alone & it shut me down so hard it was impossible to get a hard on. Ever heard of deca dick? The reason people NEED to run test with deca (and in every cycle) is to counteract this. If you run deca alone, you will have absolutely no natural test in your system & will be completely sexually dysfunctional, tired etc. . . You know why you're friends fucked themselves up? Because they didn't know what the fuck they were doing & jumped in head first, not because test is evil.

You know what's rediculous? You giving experienced bros a rash of shit when we're giving you pearls. Do what you're gonna do, I'm done trying to help.
 
whitemahon said:
I've been running gear for 24 years bro. I've used every compound in every combination & have competed @ the national level. Yes, in my early years I ran deca alone & it shut me down so hard it was impossible to get a hard on. Ever heard of deca dick? The reason people NEED to run test with deca (and in every cycle) is to counteract this. If you run deca alone, you will have absolutely no natural test in your system & will be completely sexually dysfunctional, tired etc. . . You know why you're friends fucked themselves up? Because they didn't know what the fuck they were doing & jumped in head first, not because test is evil.

You know what's rediculous? You giving experienced bros a rash of shit when we're giving you pearls. Do what you're gonna do, I'm done trying to help.
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Thank god someone said this so I didn't have to. K to you bro.

Chris

(PS. Good post, by the way :))
 
obviously if deca alone was a great cycle everyone would be doing it....id love to know where everyone gets there information from...the guy at the gym that has never done steroids that likes to talk? lol
please do deca at 200mg ew for 10 weeks and let us know how it turns out!
 
i got shutdown hard by deca. i will never touch that shit again.

always recover nice and easy from test.

funny how someone with zero experience is trying to tell a board full of experienced people whats what. youre clueless and acting like a pompous asshat on top of it.
 
whitemahon said:
I've been running gear for 24 years bro. I've used every compound in every combination & have competed @ the national level. Yes, in my early years I ran deca alone & it shut me down so hard it was impossible to get a hard on. Ever heard of deca dick? The reason people NEED to run test with deca (and in every cycle) is to counteract this. If you run deca alone, you will have absolutely no natural test in your system & will be completely sexually dysfunctional, tired etc. . . You know why you're friends fucked themselves up? Because they didn't know what the fuck they were doing & jumped in head first, not because test is evil.

You know what's rediculous? You giving experienced bros a rash of shit when we're giving you pearls. Do what you're gonna do, I'm done trying to help.
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After I gifted you a 7 day plat. you're STILL this ignorant? Forget it. Run all the deca you can then spend the next 8 months feeling like hell and try to recover. I tried to help you but you DON'T listen, you just seek other's approval for what you WANT to do.
 
zeplin7464 said:
Not doing it only to get size and strength but also to ease the pain of a fucked up back. additionally i will be under the care of a licensed doctor of sports medicine, who in fact told me in these exact words " the deca will help your back and be magic at 2oo mg since your androgen recpetors are clean, and only add test if you want t become one big zit!" im already face acne ridden by the way, well luckily have it under control as we speak, knock on wood.
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Ok, if that is what your doctor told you, why are you on here debating his expert medical advice with us. Just go ahead and do it. Report back after ten weeks and tell everyone why they were right or wrong in their initial guesstimate.
 
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Ok, if that is what your doctor told you, why are you on here debating his expert medical advice with us. Just go ahead and do it. Report back after ten weeks and tell everyone why they were right or wrong in their initial guesstimate.
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+1

some people dont wanna learn by coming here.... bad K for you zeplin
 
NO. What's RIDICULOUS is when people seek advice and get pissy when they don't like what they hear. That's not the way a mature person thinks.

Only mature people should take steroids.

We don't help immature people - whether they're too young in age or in the head.

Yes, I've known people to take deca only - some with no sides except size and strength (with a bit of bloat) and some with no libido or energy.

Why take the risk? Run a low dose of test - something like 200mg of cyp or enanthate. You don't want to make your acne worse? Maybe AAS are not for you.

Get aromasin to fight test-induced bloat and dostinex/cabergoline/cabaser to fight deca-induced gyno. There, bases covered.

With all that being said, this guy already has his mind made up; he's gotten his advice, now let's see if he actually comes back with an update.
 
zeplin7464 said:
Not doing it only to get size and strength but also to ease the pain of a fucked up back. additionally i will be under the care of a licensed doctor of sports medicine, who in fact told me in these exact words " the deca will help your back and be magic at 2oo mg since your androgen recpetors are clean, and only add test if you want t become one big zit!" im already face acne ridden by the way, well luckily have it under control as we speak, knock on wood.
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Evidently doctors of sports medicine are also endocrinologists these days. "Only add test if you want to become one big zit!" Is that the proper medical terminology? Sounds like it would be coming from someone who knows what they're talking about.
 
no matter how many times you ask the same question chances are you will get the same answer--and if you do not like the answer, stop asking the question.

if you are that convinced you are correct and we are wrong, then man-up and just do it and stop looking for us to validate your proposed course of conduct
 
whitemahon said:
I've been running gear for 24 years bro. I've used every compound in every combination & have competed @ the national level. Yes, in my early years I ran deca alone & it shut me down so hard it was impossible to get a hard on. Ever heard of deca dick? The reason people NEED to run test with deca (and in every cycle) is to counteract this. If you run deca alone, you will have absolutely no natural test in your system & will be completely sexually dysfunctional, tired etc. . . You know why you're friends fucked themselves up? Because they didn't know what the fuck they were doing & jumped in head first, not because test is evil.

You know what's rediculous? You giving experienced bros a rash of shit when we're giving you pearls. Do what you're gonna do, I'm done trying to help.
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+1 I run Deca every winter WITH Test, and it's a great stack. It's a proven winner. Why would we lie to you ?
Deca by itself will turn your dick into a useless flap of skin.
 
Men exhibit a differential response to all steroids, there are polymorphisms/genetic variability in the steroid receptors, polymorphisms in the catabolic pathways for exogenous/external drugs, the list goes on and on.

Personally, I am for take the safest, most sensible cycle.

What is the point of looking great if you can't use that great body with the girlies?
 
I'm going to play devil's advocate - which backs up what Tat says.

I know people who did 900mg of deca per week and experienced no negative sides.

It all depends on the user...BUT on EF we give sensible, safe advice. And the sensible, safe advice is to stack it with test - in case you don't fall into the 2% of deca-only users who still have dick function.
 
zeplin7464 said:
NZ, what about not long term use and a cycle of just 10 weeks? and thank you hog i already know you love test, tell me something new. I dont mean to be rude but all i usually hear is take test. f*** test, ive had friends get really messed up with it. If there is someone on this form who has ran deca alone please let me know and share your experience, otherwise id rather not hear your test induced OPINIONS
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I have never seen so many deca haters in my life, 3 yrs ago me and 3 buddies ran deca at 300mg/ml for 10 weeks with no other additives until the second run at deca we threw in some dbol at 30mg a day and back then we didn't use any pct not one of us suffered any ill effects I believe in the 3 strike rule after 3 cycles of suppressive gear then chances are natural levels won't come back(check sticky note:The new post cycle therapy 2008 this will definelty eliminate any chance of deca dick from occurring, Peace and enjoy that cycle ad dbol to your second cycle and you'll be amazed
 
zeplin7464 said:
Everyone here seems to be completely against a low dose of deca only for ten weeks and have alot of S**t to say about it. In reality, id like to know who here has actually done itt and experienced this "horrible unavoidable shutdown"? and it doesn't count if you've taken test with your deca and have gotten shut down because test in itself suppreses your endogenous test as well, which in reality would only compound and add to the "shutdown" effects of the deca run at 200mg/wk for ten weeks. please enlighten me! :artist:
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Exactly what method have you used to determine low dose deca hasnt shut you down?
 
deca is a progestin, it increases prolactin which is the hormone that tells your dick not to work, progestins also amplify the effects of estrogen causing deca titts. prolactin rises immediately after you have sex, which is why you can't have sex without a rest period in between sessions. now imagine if your prolactin was CONSTANTLY elevated. your dick just doesn't work. in fact it is essentially a form of chemical castration, they use progestins for sex offenders to chemically castrate them.

progestins are good however for a few things medically, they are anti-inflammatory which causes the joint pain relief for its users.

just be aware without a strong androgen like test to balance the progestin effects there it is more likely than not that you might just embarrass yourself in the bedroom, so have fun with that.
 
I really think that once someone asks for advice, gets really good advice and tries to argue about it...........just stop helping them. Let them learn the hard way. I'm really sick of know it alls. These guys have been doing this sh*t for years and aren't going to give you bad advice. So grow up and listen. You wanna be big??? Or do you wanna be a know it all tiny non-dick working retard? It's really up to you.
 
he bros here are not deca haters---i take .75/week if my mileage gets over 400/week. we are just not proponents of deca-only cycles. big difference. I think most bros think of deca as a basic foundation compound for the first half dozen cyles of so--at least
 
A year ago i did a cycle of deca only for 12 weeks and got more solid long term gains then my test e cycle. sorry u got flamed Zep, everyone here obviously does not know a safe aas when they see one. Deca only rules!!! ps i was fukin like a pornstar throughout the cycle!
 
"Nandrolone is more commonly known as the base steroid 19Nor-testosterone. As this structure would indicate its like testosterone in appearance but for one small change : the absence of a carbon atom in the 19th position. This gives it a number of very distinct features. First of all it makes nandrolone a notably weaker agonist of the androgen receptor. That alone causes quite a reduction in the risk of androgenic side-effects. This is because it is the only steroid that is affected by the 5-alpha-reductase (5AR) enzyme in a way that makes it even less androgenic. Unlike testosterone which forms DHT (dihydrotestosterone) at the 5AR enzyme, a hormone 3-4 times as potent as an androgen receptor stimulator, nandrolone forms DHN (dihydronandrolone) a hormone that is even less suited than the already mild parent hormone for agonizing the androgen receptor. Those two features combined make nandrolone a very safe bet for people at risk for prostate hypertrophy, acne and aggravated male pattern hair loss. At the same time its estimated that nandrolone is 2.4 times as anabolic as testosterone1, on a gram for gram basis.

For those of you looking to use nandrolone as your only steroid, be aware that the gains on nandrolone are not only mild, but also quite hard to maintain. Nandrolone, in the first place due to its combined estrogenic/progestagenic properties, is quite suppressive of the natural testosterone production. Since it actively participates at three receptors its very quick and merciless when it comes to giving negative feedback to the release of gonadotropin releasing hormone from the hypothalamus. But then one also has to take into account its affinity for esterases, making it stay active in the body significantly longer than most hormones. Because that means upon cessation of nandrolone-use you'll still be under quite suppressive conditions, there simply isn't enough intrinsic anabolism available to support the mass you gained, resulting in a rather quick and inglorious reduction of weight.

A nandrolone stack accompanied by stanazolol (Winstrol/Stromba) makes sense as well, especially for those who are highly prone to gyno. It's commonly accepted that stanazolol can compete for the progesterone receptor, and since nandrolone can act as a progestin, this is a wise precaution. Progesterone agonizes estrogen and while nandrolone only aromatizes slightly and cases of gyno with moderate nandrolone use is rare, when stacking it with another aromatizable compound like Dianabol or testosterone, you may not want to take the chance.

Ref & full text : http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catdeca.htm
 
^nice post, i doubt whether the OP would understand a word of it though. or just interpret it to what he wanted to hear.
 
zeplin7464 said:
http://www.ironmagazine.com/anabolic_steroids.php....please read under steroid stacks towards end of article. unbiased information. i did it, and ill keep u all informed on how it turns out. why am i bombed? i only asked for stories from people who used the compound alone
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Why would our advice be biased? You think we have stock in testosterone powder or something?

There's nothing positive to come out of this thread - I welcome you to come back to us down the road with an update.

Good luck - if you need any cycle advice just make another thread and I'll make sure to filter out the bullshit.
 
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