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really need some help figuring out this cut/lean bulk

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ok i usually dont ramble on and write huge paragraphs and make this boring but im gonna try to give as many important details as possible in case someone can help me figure this out. right now im 23, 5'8 ~185 pounds and about 10% bodyfat. i was around 197 at 13-14%. and my goal was to get to sub 10% and be around 192. ive been up to 213 at 16%(on cycle). im also week 3 into a mast/proviron only cycle. bulking for me isnt the problem, its cutting and holding onto my muscle.

first i tried a permanent low carb diet. i lost fat quick, then plateaued and started losing alot of muscle too.. should be expected right? then i got into this carb cycling diet.. i lost more fat pretty quickly and now im still losing it slowly. but im just breaking even with muscle. im not gaining or losing, in fact i might be losing a tiny bit.

monday - low carb
tuesday - low carb
wednesday - very high carbs
thursday - low carb
friday - was low carb but i now do moderate carbs.
saturday - low carb
sunday - very high carb

sample diet of low carb day -

breakfast - scoop and a half of whey, 3 whole eggs, couple slices of meat loaf or a turkey patty or chicken breast (about a third pound of meat)

meal 2 - buffalo chicken wrap with side salad

workout - around 2 hours at the gym, my workouts are pretty long, but alot of it is at moderate /low intensity, lots of warm ups, building up to my heavier lifts. my split is legs/pull/push/rest (usually cardio on rest day for 25 minutes). my cardio at the gym is usually incline treadmill for 15 minutes after my workout, HIIT style, 3mph, 1 minute at a low incline and then 1 minute at high incline. i gave up running because of shin/calf injuries that need to heal. jump rope is also no good.

post workout - 2 scoops of whey, go home and eat 2-3 eggs with another chunk of ground turkey smushed into a patty.

meal 4 - half a bag of salad with cut up chicken breast on it.


meal 5 - third pound of meat

meal 6 before bed - quarter pound of meat. usually meat loaf or something or chicken. take my vitamins, and a scoop and a half of whey. and 8 ounces of whole milk.

these numbers arent exact, i buy 2-2.25 pounds of meat for every day and always eat it. and add vegetables and some fruit and eggs. throughout the day i also drink 36-48 ounces of v8 juice.

on high carb days i basically just keep eating. on sunday i bought a 2 and a half pound bag of breaded tyson chicken, ate that, blended oats, and a half a box of honey bunches of oats. drank about a quart or half gallon of chocolate milk. idr what else.


was thinking of using n2slin but i dont want to use any supps yet. i want to get this figured out without supps. im willing to ditch the whole carb cycling diet and change w.e needs to be changed around.
 
If you feel your losing muscle, best thing to for is up protein intake,..liquid eqq whites,protein shakes etc just get more protein

NO PAIN NO GLORY!
 
ok i usually dont ramble on and write huge paragraphs and make this boring but im gonna try to give as many important details as possible in case someone can help me figure this out. right now im 23, 5'8 ~185 pounds and about 10% bodyfat. i was around 197 at 13-14%. and my goal was to get to sub 10% and be around 192. ive been up to 213 at 16%(on cycle). im also week 3 into a mast/proviron only cycle. bulking for me isnt the problem, its cutting and holding onto my muscle.

first i tried a permanent low carb diet. i lost fat quick, then plateaued and started losing alot of muscle too.. should be expected right? then i got into this carb cycling diet.. i lost more fat pretty quickly and now im still losing it slowly. but im just breaking even with muscle. im not gaining or losing, in fact i might be losing a tiny bit.

monday - low carb
tuesday - low carb
wednesday - very high carbs
thursday - low carb
friday - was low carb but i now do moderate carbs.
saturday - low carb
sunday - very high carb

sample diet of low carb day -

breakfast - scoop and a half of whey, 3 whole eggs, couple slices of meat loaf or a turkey patty or chicken breast (about a third pound of meat)

meal 2 - buffalo chicken wrap with side salad

workout - around 2 hours at the gym, my workouts are pretty long, but alot of it is at moderate /low intensity, lots of warm ups, building up to my heavier lifts. my split is legs/pull/push/rest (usually cardio on rest day for 25 minutes). my cardio at the gym is usually incline treadmill for 15 minutes after my workout, HIIT style, 3mph, 1 minute at a low incline and then 1 minute at high incline. i gave up running because of shin/calf injuries that need to heal. jump rope is also no good.

post workout - 2 scoops of whey, go home and eat 2-3 eggs with another chunk of ground turkey smushed into a patty.

meal 4 - half a bag of salad with cut up chicken breast on it.


meal 5 - third pound of meat

meal 6 before bed - quarter pound of meat. usually meat loaf or something or chicken. take my vitamins, and a scoop and a half of whey. and 8 ounces of whole milk.

these numbers arent exact, i buy 2-2.25 pounds of meat for every day and always eat it. and add vegetables and some fruit and eggs. throughout the day i also drink 36-48 ounces of v8 juice.

on high carb days i basically just keep eating. on sunday i bought a 2 and a half pound bag of breaded tyson chicken, ate that, blended oats, and a half a box of honey bunches of oats. drank about a quart or half gallon of chocolate milk. idr what else.


was thinking of using n2slin but i dont want to use any supps yet. i want to get this figured out without supps. im willing to ditch the whole carb cycling diet and change w.e needs to be changed around.

50/20/30 lbm x 16

So if you wanna be 10% take the weight you wanna be at 10% so ex: 200 x 10% = 20-200=180 lbm 180x16 = your marco then do your 50/20/30
 
local thanks for chiming in bro i counted up some of my carbs, between v8, a little whole milk, some oats that are in my meat loaf, a tiny bit in salad, that comes to a little over 100g. then at lunch if im at work i usually get a buffalo chicken wrap, dont know how many is in the tortilla, and this morning i ate a can of pineapple slices, that would probably be substituted for the tortilla today.

ill look for the liquid egg whites today. are they cooked already? ive never used them
 
50/20/30 lbm x 16

So if you wanna be 10% take the weight you wanna be at 10% so ex: 200 x 10% = 20-200=180 lbm 180x16 = your marco then do your 50/20/30

so thats 2880 cals, and the 20 is carbs and 30 is fats right? ive been bulking since the start and new to cutting. how would i factor my cardio into this diet? too much would put me too far in a calorie deficit wouldnt it?
 
local thanks for chiming in bro i counted up some of my carbs, between v8, a little whole milk, some oats that are in my meat loaf, a tiny bit in salad, that comes to a little over 100g. then at lunch if im at work i usually get a buffalo chicken wrap, dont know how many is in the tortilla, and this morning i ate a can of pineapple slices, that would probably be substituted for the tortilla today.

ill look for the liquid egg whites today. are they cooked already? ive never used them

OK..I keep my carbs super low 40ish a day..weaker in the gum but I'm going for beach body..as long as you get eggehites that have been pasteurized then they are safe to drink..its nasty but its safe..mix a cup with some chocolate protein, can add a Lil sugar free chocolate syrup helps take away that slimy texture ..I keep it simple..high high protein, low carbs like 40 no more then 60 a day..Med healthy fats

NO PAIN NO GLORY!
 
But ima about to go back to always staying on cycle so that helps keep muscle and promot muscle while low carbs,cals

NO PAIN NO GLORY!
 
OK..I keep my carbs super low 40ish a day..weaker in the gum but I'm going for beach body.
^ this how u need to start thinking.

Diefaster, my diet looked similar to urs and weight was SLOWLY coming off and I let dylan rework it and im dropping fat like crazy now. bear in mind im taking sarms (moderate doses of osta, s4 and gw). But like local said, u gotta reduce ur carbs more. the low carb days u listed arent very low carb. im eating low carbs today and meals are: eggwhites and salsa -breakfast, greek yogurt with cucumber/fatfree feta -snack, ground turkey chili 99%lean no beans w/ 2 servs grn veggies - lunch, 50g protien shake - snack, 25g pro shake - immediate post w.o., 2 chick breast and 4 serv spinach/cauli/brocc -dinner.

Sent from my htc t-bolt using the elitefitness app.
 
thanks local and oxy i appreciate the advice alot. but my problem here is retaining/and or building muscle while slowly losing fat. actually i only want to lose 3-4 more pounds. i tried a very low carb diet and my muscle dropped faster than my fat after about 2 weeks being on it. protein intake was the same as it is now. i added more carbs and i dont think im losing any muscle now, but my fat loss has slowed alot. at first it was alot but it seems it somewhat plateaued again. if i drop carbs again im afraid im just gonna lost muscle again like i did last time.


oxy do you carb cycle? or is that your diet every day? and what body fat are you at
 
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