Question about Var, can someone please help

[nikibelle]

Hi, I've been a member for several months now, and finally decided to ask a question. I will be starting Var next Monday and my husband got me the 5mg (capsules) of Var. I told him that after researching, listening to other comments from other users, that I should stick to doing the 5mg for the entire 6 weeks. He thinks that it is not enough because of it being mild, that I should do 10mg. My husband has done gear with good results but like I told him, I am a female not a male and I would rather get correct info from a female that has the knowledge of the dosage.

My exercise routine is as follows:

During my lunch hour, I work one body part each day then do 35 minutes of cardio.
After work, I do the elliptical for another 60 minutes. Everyother day I do my stomach routine.

Food Intake:
9:00 am Protein shake and 1 cup of strawberries

11:00 am Can of chicken in water with a handful of almonds/walnuts

1:30 pm Grill 1 chicken breast with 1 cup of whole grain brown rice and a bag of Steam Fresh bag vegetables.

3:30 pm Either a protein shake or fatfree yogurt with some nuts.

7:00 pm Grilled chicken breast with vegetables.

Drink at least 90 oz of water EVERYDAY.

I know this thread is long but can someone advise me on the proper amount of using var. This will be my first time using gear.

Thanks,
Nikibelle

 

[superqt4u2nv]

I would stick with 5 mg being a virgin to A A S you will make gains off that little however cycle needs to be longer then 6 weeks it should be about 12 weeks IMO.

What is your heigh weight and bf%? Your diet looks pretty good just need to put it perspective with your current size. Also why so much cardio do you have a competition coming up?

 

[nikibelle]

I would stick with 5 mg being a virgin to A A S you will make gains off that little however cycle needs to be longer then 6 weeks it should be about 12 weeks IMO.

What is your heigh weight and bf%? Your diet looks pretty good just need to put it perspective with your current size. Also why so much cardio do you have a competition coming up?

I am 5'4" and currently at 142 lbs. When I go to the gym tonight I will have my bf% checked. About year ago I had knee surgery and from not being able to move around I gained alot of weight. The reason I am doing so much cardio is so that I can get leaner as well as take off sum of this weight. I am starting to see my hard work paying off. I feel that when I start the var and continue with my plan but kick it up a notch with the weights, I will hopefully see some dramatic changes. I appreciate your help and will post my results.

Nikibelle

 

[superqt4u2nv]

I am 5'4" and currently at 142 lbs. When I go to the gym tonight I will have my bf% checked. About year ago I had knee surgery and from not being able to move around I gained alot of weight. The reason I am doing so much cardio is so that I can get leaner as well as take off sum of this weight. I am starting to see my hard work paying off. I feel that when I start the Anavar - oxandrolone - and continue with my plan but kick it up a notch with the weights, I will hopefully see some dramatic changes. I appreciate your help and will post my results.

Nikibelle

Ok please know the V A R is not a fat burner and it could in fact add weight to you both via water retention and muscle gains so you can't focus only on the weight scale the best indicator would be you bf% mirror and how clothes fit. Doing the amount of cardio you are now with out and A A S will actually cause you to lose muscle if you protein intake is not high enough. There is for sure some more room in your diet to make little tweaks which will help with your progress. I would suggest signing up for www.fitday.com it is a free stie you can track you daily calorie intake and macro's. When you get a chance put your daily intake in there and let us know your macro break down we can help a little further with your diet.

 

[florencia]

Ok please know the V A R is not a fat burner and it could in fact add weight to you both via water retention and muscle gains so you can't focus only on the weight scale the best indicator would be you bf% mirror and how clothes fit. Doing the amount of cardio you are now with out and A A S will actually cause you to lose muscle if you protein intake is not high enough. There is for sure some more room in your diet to make little tweaks which will help with your progress. I would suggest signing up for www.fitday.com it is a free stie you can track you daily calorie intake and macro's. When you get a chance put your daily intake in there and let us know your macro break down we can help a little further with your diet.

I agree with superqt4u2nv
I began taking oxandrolone May 3...I am not doing any cardio at all!
What??? Yes you may have your eyeballs popping out like mine would have been before.
I could not conceive the idea of life and food weights and no cardio...
I lost most of the mini muscle I had due to not working out...(blah blah blah)

I have had issues with estrogenic fat and low LBM...which result in "ugly" fat appearance.
The only way to gain LBM -for me- I think others too, but cannot talk for them...
Is eat clean and lift hard...
No way I can gain if I lift heavy and not have enough protein...
or Vice versa...
I have also learned cardio -endurance, long distance...etc...athletes-
CANNOT have muscle....body knows best....
Sprinters on the other hand have great muscles and power...

My goal is gain LBM, and then cut...of course my gain is clean food...
One cheat a week...

 

[nikibelle]

Ok please know the V A R is not a fat burner and it could in fact add weight to you both via water retention and muscle gains so you can't focus only on the weight scale the best indicator would be you bf% mirror and how clothes fit. Doing the amount of cardio you are now with out and A A S will actually cause you to lose muscle if you protein intake is not high enough. There is for sure some more room in your diet to make little tweaks which will help with your progress. I would suggest signing up for www.fitday.com it is a free stie you can track you daily calorie intake and macro's. When you get a chance put your daily intake in there and let us know your macro break down we can help a little further with your diet.

I'm prepping myself before I take the Anavar - oxandrolone - that is why so much cardio. My main focus is to build muscle. I would like to see more of it on me. I'm not too concerned with my weight. My husband keeps saying the same thing you said which is "stop worrying about your weight and go by how your clothes fit", which I finally am doing. I will get on www.fitday.com. Plus, I know that I will have to increase my daily caloric intake if I intend to build muscle. Tonight at the gym I will get that bf% test and will know where I stand at.

Again, thank you so much for you input, I really appreciate it.

 

[msam76]

You can start with the 5mg and if you are not having any sides you can always increase to the 10mg later on. You can run var longer than 6 weeks, but that is up to you.

 

[Sassy69]

Pretty much what QT said. I'd also be sure to include some acidophilus - any A A S can tend to upset the good bacteria 'down there' and result in yeast infections or vaginosis.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I agree with superqt4u2nv


.

I disagree actually. I've lost fat on 'var with no changes in cardio or diet, and the majority of medical literature supports the idea that var will make you lose fat. It's a fat burner.

I know we'd like to say "steroids don't burn fat" but that's just total bullshit.

 

[surfer girl]

I have lost body fat from taking oxandraone and not changing my changing my diet or cardio as well, I have just started another cycle now of 10mg, after just having had my 3rd baby at Christmas time.
I can't wait to start training again and not feeling so dam weak!

 

[MUNECA8599]

I have lost body fat from taking oxandraone and not changing my changing my diet or cardio as well, I have just started another cycle now of 10mg, after just having had my 3rd baby at Christmas time.
I can't wait to start training again and not feeling so dam weak!

Really??? just curious..can you be specific as to results here? I don't take var, but the majority of what I have read warns against taking it without strict diet or cardio. I could have read this all wrong..so, could you specify what you do in terms of training and cardio? And results? (Congrats on the third baby, too..My hats off to you there, alone.) Gracias!

 

[Mandy Polk]

I disagree actually. I've lost fat on 'Anavar - oxandrolone - with no changes in cardio or diet, and the majority of medical literature supports the idea that Anavar - oxandrolone - will make you lose fat. It's a fat burner.

I know we'd like to say "steroids don't burn fat" but that's just total bullshit.

I think that this myth started with the unrealistic goals and flawed training/nutrition approach that many women have. They want to gain lean muscle mass, or appear "toned" as they say, then they want to burn fat, so they don't look "smooshy" or "gooey" or whatever else they're calling it that day, and then because they're chasing that certain unattainable image of perfection, or what they see as such, they want to be thinner as well.

SO then they take anavar or clen or both thinking it will be the answer. They gain a little muscle, maybe lose a little fat (but they gain more muscle than the amount of fat they lost), and retain a bit of water, which results in a net gain, or maybe just has a recompositioning effect and their weight stays the same.

Either way, they're still "smooshy" with more muscle and some water on them. Does that mean that anavar didn't burn some of their fat? Yes, that is what they believe and propagate.

 

[MUNECA8599]

Mandy-
Greetings to you! So, in sum, what would YOU say your opinion is? I do apologize if I could not discern that from the post; I believe you are saying that women would be INCORRECT to say that steroids do not burn fat and to promote this, no? Thanks, Mandy. You look great- fit and feminine. Another inspiration here, among many.

 

[Mandy Polk]

Mandy-
Greetings to you! So, in sum, what would YOU say your opinion is? I do apologize if I could not discern that from the post; I believe you are saying that women would be INCORRECT to say that steroids do not burn fat and to promote this, no? Thanks, Mandy. You look great- fit and feminine. Another inspiration here, among many.

I was saying why I think Anthony's correct, but also explaining, in my opinion, how the whole "steroids don't burn fat" thing got started in the first place. If you told most women that they do indeed burn fat, they would be all over everything in an attempt to attain a look that said agents will not give them.

 

[MUNECA8599]

Gotcha. Thanks, Mandy.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

I was saying why I think Anthony's correct, but also explaining, in my opinion, how the whole "steroids don't burn fat" thing got started in the first place. If you told most women that they do indeed burn fat, they would be all over everything in an attempt to attain a look that said agents will not give them.

EXACTLY why I don't say that steroids are "fat burners" per se. Then add in the fact that 99% of these said women will do NO research into steroids, effects and safe/effective use of them ... and you have a train wreak waiting to happen. Nicely said, and welcome!

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I was saying why I think Anthony's correct, .

Thanks. Steroids certainly burn fat...whether people want to admit it or not. The problem comes in when people distort the facts to suit their own agenda when the truth isn't something they want to admit.

In the end, my theory is to put the truth out, and let people be as educated as possible.

 

[florencia]

Thanks. Steroids certainly burn fat...whether people want to admit it or not. The problem comes in when people distort the facts to suit their own agenda when the truth isn't something they want to admit.

In the end, my theory is to put the truth out, and let people be as educated as possible.

I am a novice I KNOW BUT...I think
They burn the fat IF muscle is gained by lifting and calories are on target for each person.
I am taking 10 mg daily and have gained muscle BUT I have not been on target 100% with calories and fat is also visible.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

They burn fat even if you don't exercise. That's a medical fact.

 

[MUNECA8599]

AR, with respect to this topic and Var, give me some knowledge of yours here..I have also read that once you come off, gains (like veininess and hardness) are lost and the fat returns. I AM a total novice..so, from your experiences, have you seen this to be true? If so, then you would have to stay on forever, and how is that good? Thanks in advance, AR.

 

[takniteasy]

They burn fat even if you don't exercise. That's a medical fact.

Prove it.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/96/3/1055
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=12796576
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/104/6/e73
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Proven.

 

[needtogetaas]

ooooooooo

 

[Anthony Roberts]

AR, with respect to this topic and Anavar - oxandrolone - , give me some knowledge of yours here..I have also read that once you come off, gains (like veininess and hardness) are lost and the fat returns. I AM a total novice..so, from your experiences, have you seen this to be true? If so, then you would have to stay on forever, and how is that good? Thanks in advance, AR.

When you stop taking steroids, you will likely have some degree of a return to "normal".

Staying on forever isn't the solution though.

 

[takniteasy]

http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/96/3/1055
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=12796576
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/104/6/e73
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Proven.

Not. Go back and read your posted articles again. None of them refer to women. Remember, you are posting in a Women's forum. So any articles you post should reference women, not elderly men and pediatric burn patients.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

You're actually arguing that something that is proven to burn fat and build muscle in men does not do it in women? What mechanism are you claiming to cause this disparity? Are you actually arguing a point, or trying to display extreme ignorance (hint: you are thus far successful at only one of those pursuits in this thread).

And as for "any articles I post should reference women" ...remember, some steroids aren't even for humans, and no studies exist in them. That doesn't mean they don't burn fat and build muscle.

Remember, being proven incorrect does not require your permission or acknowledgement to have been accomplished. However, this study examines women and anavar:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jc.2006-0588v1

And if you read the full version, you will see that there is both fat loss as well as muscle gain while using anavar, without exercise.

Again, you've been proven incorrect.

 

[takniteasy]

You're actually arguing that something that is proven to burn fat and build muscle in men does not do it in women? What mechanism are you claiming to cause this disparity? Are you actually arguing a point, or trying to display extreme ignorance (hint: you are thus far successful at only one of those pursuits in this thread).

And as for "any articles I post should reference women" ...remember, some steroids aren't even for humans, and no studies exist in them. That doesn't mean they don't burn fat and build muscle.

Remember, being proven incorrect does not require your permission or acknowledgement to have been accomplished. However, this study examines women and anavar:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jc.2006-0588v1

And if you read the full version, you will see that there is both fat loss as well as muscle gain while using anavar, without exercise.

Again, you've been proven incorrect.

You are extremely rude and have a tremendous amount of growing up to do. I am not ignorant nor am I stupid as you choose to infer. I merely chose to question your statements and pointed out the fact that you are posting articles re: ana which do not make any reference to healthy, pre-menopausal women. Yeah, I am a stickler for these things, as I believe any woman considering A A S usage should have as much information pertaining to females as possible. So, there is no argument here. Only clarification of your statements and information that actually backs up your claims in regards to women.

Too bad you need to have a tantrum any time someone questions you on your references. You act very much like my son did when he was 14 years old - which was around 10 years ago.

Just remember, if you show others respect, you will get the same in return.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Just remember, if you show others respect, you will get the same in return.

The reason I'm not showing you respect is that I don't respect you.

 

[takniteasy]

The reason I'm not showing you respect is that I don't respect you.

The feeling is mutual, little boy.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Judge me all you want, but keep the verdict to yourself, unless you're wearing a black robe or your likeness is hanging on a cross in a church.

 

[needtogetaas]

Judge me all you want, but keep the verdict to yourself, unless you're wearing a black robe or your likeness is hanging on a cross in a church.

nice I like that one..

 

[The Shadow]

We are done here....this has turned into a bitch fest...so if you guys want to continue to go at it, please use the pm function as this is now a personality thing and you guys are bascially arguing semantics.

CAN A A S burn fat??


YES they can....on that fact AR is correct.


Will that translate into a drop on the scale??


Not necessarily.


Why??


The overall caloric surplus or deficit will dictate which way the scale swings, with all other things being equal.



"fat burning properties" and "fat loss" are two separate issues.

Fat burning might be going on but it will NOT necessarliy translate into fat loss.