Primo Is Overated!!

[tzan]

I'm just finishing up my cycle of:
wks 1-4 30mg dbol
wks 1-10 600mg primo
wks 1-10 350mg test
wks 5-12 40mg var
.5mg armidex ed

I've ran primo in the past, but never with this high of a dosage and it being the main chemical of my cycle. Started this cycle at 210lbs 9-10%bf and am currently at 205lbs 7%bf. Expected a little more out of this cycle. I don't think primo is total garbage or anything, I just feel for the amount of cash needed, there are much better options ou there. In my opinion I would have been much better by simply running test at 750mg and leaving the primo out.

 

[monster2929]

what brand were u running? primo is one of the mildest compounds out there

 

[glennds]

there are so many choices out there, but for the average juicer who just wants a little extra help you can stick with test ONLY and get some terrific results. not too expensive and sides minimal if not overused.

primo, shmimo. who needs to put out that kinda cash for a steroid.

 

[tzan]

what brand were u running? primo is one of the mildest compounds out there

yea i know it's mild.....just didn't realize how VERY mild it was. I used the turkish primos that I got from a good source.

 

[sparetire]

why don't you run eq instead? eq at 500 a week is nice


the only down side is that it takes 6 weeks for the effects to start rolling in..

 

[Joe Stenson]

I've ran primo in the past, but never with this high of a dosage and it being the main chemical of my cycle. Started this cycle at 210lbs 9-10%bf and am currently at 205lbs 7%bf. Expected a little more out of this cycle.

Basically your LBM stayed the same (or increased ever so slightly) and you lost 5 lbs of pure fat in 12 weeks. To be brutally honest, you should have been able to accomplish that with ease without any gear at all. I think you should blame your diet or training, not the drugs.

 

[tzan]

Basically your LBM stayed the same (or increased ever so slightly) and you lost 5 lbs of pure fat in 12 weeks. To be brutally honest, you should have been able to accomplish that with ease without any gear at all. I think you should blame your diet or training, not the drugs.

Diet was ridiculously strict. I had 2 cheat days in the past 10 weeks. Training has been intense as always. This is why I'm not happy with the cycle.

Sparetire- ran eq last year at just 400mg's stacked with var and had better results then this time around. Just wanted to try primo at a high dosage and see were it would bring me. Unfortunately now I know.

 

[leco3344unt]

they say dbol and primo is the scientifictly perfect cycle.

 

[Joe Stenson]

Diet was ridiculously strict. I had 2 cheat days in the past 10 weeks. Training has been intense as always. This is why I'm not happy with the cycle.

"strict" = eating "clean" foods

There's a difference between being strict and eating the right amount. Granted, it's not easy to go from single digits further into single digits, I'm guessing your diet plan could have been better.

Seriously, I'm not trying to be an ass, but lots of people are much too quick to blame the drugs than themselves. In 12 weeks of proper dieting, you "should" be able to lose 5lbs of fat (while retaining all of your muscle) with NO gear. We're talking about less than 0.5lbs/week here.

 

[satchboogie]

"strict" = eating "clean" foods

There's a difference between being strict and eating the right amount. Granted, it's not easy to go from single digits further into single digits, I'm guessing your diet plan could have been better.

Seriously, I'm not trying to be an ass, but lots of people are much too quick to blame the drugs than themselves. In 12 weeks of proper dieting, you "should" be able to lose 5lbs of fat (while retaining all of your muscle) with NO gear. We're talking about less than 0.5lbs/week here.

well said!

 

[lefler]

they say dbol and primo is the scientifictly perfect cycle.

isnt that what Arnold supposedly did? i mean i know he used other shit but i heard that that was a common cycle for him

 

[bigtravis]

i prefer to use e.q. instead of primo. b.d. e.q. 200mg./ml. running a 1/2 cc e.d.

 

[jokerswild]

I'm no expert but ask some top bodybuilders past and present what there fav. AAS are and I bet Primo won't be near the top. Test, Deca, EQ, Fina, these are the answers you will get.......

 

[Mr.X]

I'm no expert but ask some top bodybuilders past and present what there fav. AAS are and I bet Primo won't be near the top. Test, Deca, EQ, Fina, these are the answers you will get.......

Pro bodybuilders = walking chemical powerplant - not really an "honest" view

 

[Joe Stenson]

I think there's 2 issues at hand here: the efficacy of primo and this one guy's cycle...I don't think the 2 are connected.

And no, I'm not saying primo is good (or bad).

 

[Makavelli]

Diet was ridiculously strict. I had 2 cheat days in the past 10 weeks. Training has been intense as always. This is why I'm not happy with the cycle.

Sparetire- ran eq last year at just 400mg's stacked with var and had better results then this time around. Just wanted to try primo at a high dosage and see were it would bring me. Unfortunately now I know.

I was considering running primo for my cutting cycle that I'm starting in Sept. But due to the price and the fact that I've always gotten great results with EQ, I'm going with EQ again. The price difference is huge.

 

[Mr.X]

IMO, you have to try primo first before you say anything, I've ran primo at 600mgs/wk and higher and I'll tell you, I LOVED it - granted Fina of course is stronger /better/cheaper BUT it has horrible sides; with fina, I could barely take a breath at 296lbs...just not a good product.

Run primo for 12 weeks, come back to me and tell me how you liked the results.

Mr.X

 

[babbabuee]

i'm on 600/wk in week 8 and loving it. the only problem I have with primo is the cost and the 100mg/ml concentration (not a huge fan of frequent injects)

 

[karachi183]

PPL really need to stop thinking the drugs do it all. Diet is everything!

 

[Makavelli]

Run primo for 12 weeks, come back to me and tell me how you liked the results.

Mr.X[/QUOTE]

If you want to pay for it Mr. X you know where to find me...

 

[tzan]

PPL really need to stop thinking the drugs do it all. Diet is everything!

I hope you not directing this at me. I'm a huge advocate that ones nutrtion should be the top priority in bb. I'm one that says you can "cut" or "bulk" on any drug, it's all about your diet. I'll post my diet that I ran and you guys could tell me where I went wrong. You will notice all CLEAN cals here:

meal 1-
8 egg whites
1/2 cup of oats
1 tbsp of natural pb

meal 2-(PWO)
2.5 scoops of protein
75 grams of dextrose

meal 3-
3 chicken breasts
2 slices of wheat bread
1 tbsp of flax oil

meal 4-
3 chicken breasts
1/4 cup of brown rice
1tbsp of flax oil

meal 5-
2 scoops of protein
1/2 cup of oats
1 tbsp of natural pb

meal 6-
2 chicken breasts
1 tbsp of flax oil

Totals are:
Cals-2960
Protein-370grams
Carbs-190grams
Fats-80grams

 

[khemix]

IMO, you have to try primo first before you say anything, I've ran primo at 600mgs/wk and higher and I'll tell you, I LOVED it - granted Fina of course is stronger /better/cheaper BUT it has horrible sides; with fina, I could barely take a breath at 296lbs...just not a good product.

Run primo for 12 weeks, come back to me and tell me how you liked the results.

Mr.X

It depends on how well your body handles the tren. I ran it for 6 wks along with test enth and got amazing results with very mild night sweats as the only side effect. Since tren is a very powerful androgen it has the likeliness of more severe side-effects. As I said before, it's all dependent upon your own body.

Chris

(PS. If you pay for me 12 wks of primo, I'll be more than happy to let you know how I like it. Until then, I'll drop the $2000 on something that is worth $2000. )

 

[Makavelli]

I can vouch that Tzan is very diet oriented. On several posts he'll make sure that the person asking the question has their diet down.

Tzan, you seem to have the fundamentals of a solid diet there. I would have cut out the bread and rice, but the ratios are good.

 

[Outtlaw]

I don't think primo is total garbage or anything, I just feel for the amount of cash needed, there are much better options ou there. In my opinion I would have been much better by simply running test at 750mg and leaving the primo out.

I could've told you that before hand and saved you the trouble of finding this out the hard way.

 

[karachi183]

I hope you not directing this at me. I'm a huge advocate that ones nutrtion should be the top priority in bb. I'm one that says you can "cut" or "bulk" on any drug, it's all about your diet. I'll post my diet that I ran and you guys could tell me where I went wrong. You will notice all CLEAN cals here:

meal 1-
8 egg whites
1/2 cup of oats
1 tbsp of natural pb

meal 2-(PWO)
2.5 scoops of protein
75 grams of dextrose

meal 3-
3 chicken breasts
2 slices of wheat bread
1 tbsp of flax oil

meal 4-
3 chicken breasts
1/4 cup of brown rice
1tbsp of flax oil

meal 5-
2 scoops of protein
1/2 cup of oats
1 tbsp of natural pb

meal 6-
2 chicken breasts
1 tbsp of flax oil

Totals are:
Cals-2960
Protein-370grams
Carbs-190grams
Fats-80grams

Not at all!

 

[borg4902]

Dude did you just post 1/4 cup brown rice. That wouldnt fill a cavity. I'd be pissed off just measuring that amount. LOL

 

[tzan]

Mackavelli- Thanks for vouching for me.

Outlaw- Yea, you could have told me that, but the truth is I would have tryed it anyways to find out on my own. It's the same as the people who ignore my results(or simply just chalk it up to my crappy diet and or training) from it.

Karach- Cool!

Borg- The sad thing is you are exactly right. When I eat the chicken with the rice it's like I have litraly 20 strands of rice. It still cracks me up sometimes when I'm eating it.

 

[Joe Stenson]

I hope you not directing this at me. I'm a huge advocate that ones nutrtion should be the top priority in bb. I'm one that says you can "cut" or "bulk" on any drug, it's all about your diet. I'll post my diet that I ran and you guys could tell me where I went wrong.

Totals are:
Cals-2960
Protein-370grams
Carbs-190grams
Fats-80grams

Your diet looks very good...as far as food choices go.

Just like I said before though, there's a difference between eating the right foods and eating the right amount of food. If you only lost 5lbs in 12 weeks your calories were too high for your activity level. I'm not sure how this is shocking considering you're sitting at almost 3000.

I keep posting that calories are the most important thing about diet (as opposed to specific foods) and the majority of people keep disagreeing with me. I don't see how this is hard to understand. A caloric deficit is what leads to weight loss, while the specific macros and training will lead to what type of weight loss this is (muscle vs. fat). In that other thread entitled "cutting pros", krishna posted his diet and it was clean like this as well. He's not seeing the results he wants either. Why? Because his calories are too high. It's pretty simple. I don't know why people think they can get away with overeating as long as the food is "clean".

This is a PERFECT example of someone who was eating well, but not getting results because calories were not where they should have been.

Dude did you just post 1/4 cup brown rice. That wouldnt fill a cavity. I'd be pissed off just measuring that amount. LOL

maybe he means uncooked??

 

[tzan]

Your diet looks very good...as far as food choices go.

Just like I said before though, there's a difference between eating the right foods and eating the right amount of food. If you only lost 5lbs in 12 weeks your calories were too high for your activity level. I'm not sure how this is shocking considering you're sitting at almost 3000.

I keep posting that calories are the most important thing about diet (as opposed to specific foods) and the majority of people keep disagreeing with me. I don't see how this is hard to understand. A caloric deficit is what leads to weight loss, while the specific macros and training will lead to what type of weight loss this is (muscle vs. fat). In that other thread entitled "cutting pros", krishna posted his diet and it was clean like this as well. He's not seeing the results he wants either. Why? Because his calories are too high. It's pretty simple. I don't know why people think they can get away with overeating as long as the food is "clean".

This is a PERFECT example of someone who was eating well, but not getting results because calories were not where they should have been.



maybe he means uncooked??

I get what your saying, but my goal for this cycle wasn't for it to be an all out cutter. Since my bf was already fairly low, I figured with that amount of gear in my system, coupled with the amounts of cals taken in, I would have GAINED more. All I'm saying is If I ran the same exact diet/training/cardio/rest/etc...without the primo, I don't think I would have gotten any different end results. Hence primo=OVERRATED

 

[Joe Stenson]

I get what your saying, but my goal for this cycle wasn't for it to be an all out cutter. Since my bf was already fairly low, I figured with that amount of gear in my system, coupled with the amounts of cals taken in, I would have GAINED more. All I'm saying is If I ran the same exact diet/training/cardio/rest/etc...without the primo, I don't think I would have gotten any different end results. Hence primo=OVERRATED

Ok, ok, I see your point. (I do still hope it helps prove my point in the other thread though).

More or less, you were trying to keep cals around maintenance and do a recomposition of sorts, as opposed to cutting or bulking. In that respect, I AM surprised that you didn't gain any (much) LBM given your diet and the gear you were taking.

With that out of the way, I don't think any steroid is over or underrated. People have different goals and different concerns. Some people put safety ahead of gains, so I don't think primo is overrated to them. Also, it has a reputation as being a very WEAK steroid, so perhaps you were expecting too much out of it?

I don't think people should base their opinions off of others when it comes to gear. It really is up in the air until you've tried it yourself. Some people get night sweats on fina and some don't, some people get EQ hunger and some don't, some get crazy bloat off deca and some don't; you never know whether a certain steroid will be a good choice for you until you try it yourself.

 

[TheRide]

they say dbol and primo is the scientifictly perfect cycle.

"they" also say steroids give you cancer and make your prick shrink....


Everyone is different the way they react to certain drugs.

 

[TheRide]

isnt that what Arnold supposedly did? i mean i know he used other shit but i heard that that was a common cycle for him

Dont' forget that it's NOT just the drugs. Arnold (as other pro bb'ers) have incredible genetics as well.

 

[TheRide]

I'm no expert but ask some top bodybuilders past and present what there fav. AAS are and I bet Primo won't be near the top. Test, Deca, EQ, Fina, these are the answers you will get.......

IMO those will all be after growth now-a-days... (damn I'm opinionated today!!!)

 

[Guvna]

they say dbol and primo is the scientifictly perfect cycle.

um...riiight.

 

[benny1970]

I hope you not directing this at me. I'm a huge advocate that ones nutrtion should be the top priority in bb. I'm one that says you can "cut" or "bulk" on any drug, it's all about your diet. I'll post my diet that I ran and you guys could tell me where I went wrong. You will notice all CLEAN cals here:

meal 1-
8 egg whites
1/2 cup of oats
1 tbsp of natural pb

meal 2-(PWO)
2.5 scoops of protein
75 grams of dextrose

meal 3-
3 chicken breasts
2 slices of wheat bread
1 tbsp of flax oil

meal 4-
3 chicken breasts
1/4 cup of brown rice
1tbsp of flax oil

meal 5-
2 scoops of protein
1/2 cup of oats
1 tbsp of natural pb

meal 6-
2 chicken breasts
1 tbsp of flax oil

Totals are:
Cals-2960
Protein-370grams
Carbs-190grams
Fats-80grams

How do you guys who work full time find enough time to make all these meals!???!!!

 

[tzan]

How do you guys who work full time find enough time to make all these meals!???!!!

You hit the nail on the head. Forget about finding time for the gym. I find the most stressful part is when I'm completely exhasted and ready for sleep, but instead find myself outside grilling chicken breasts for the next days meals.

 

[Joe Stenson]

You hit the nail on the head. Forget about finding time for the gym. I find the most stressful part is when I'm completely exhasted and ready for sleep, but instead find myself outside grilling chicken breasts for the next days meals.

Exactly, but with a little planning ahead isn't "too" time consuming. Once tzan's cooked up those chicken breasts, I'd say none of those meals take more than about 5 minutes to make.

 

[benny1970]

You hit the nail on the head. Forget about finding time for the gym. I find the most stressful part is when I'm completely exhasted and ready for sleep, but instead find myself outside grilling chicken breasts for the next days meals.

Hey, seriously, is that how most of you guys do it? Prepare one day at a time the night before?

 

[Joe Stenson]

Hey, seriously, is that how most of you guys do it? Prepare one day at a time the night before?

For things like meat, prepare enough for a few days.

Everything else doesn't really take much prep time.

 

[Outtlaw]

The problem is there are a number of people on this board claiming that primo is the ultimate steroid and that they make killer gains with it by itself. When people see post like that, they expect that primo will work that kind of magic for them, and of course they are going to be severely dissappointed.

That's why people say primo is overrated.... because guys bump up its credibility more than any other drug, so when these 1st time primo users actually try it out, they are going to feel it is in fact overrated.

 

[Makavelli]

The problem is there are a number of people on this board claiming that primo is the ultimate steroid and that they make killer gains with it by itself. When people see post like that, they expect that primo will work that kind of magic for them, and of course they are going to be severely dissappointed.

That's why people say primo is overrated.... because guys bump up its credibility more than any other drug, so when these 1st time primo users actually try it out, they are going to feel it is in fact overrated.

I should start a thread stating that "100 mgs/day of D-Bol is the shit...". That way when someone tries it they won't be disappointed.

 

[Mr.X]

If you want to pay for it Mr. X you know where to find me...

you want results, you have to pay for quality, like I said before, you can get more results from tren, but why suffer the sides? a waste IMO.

I think primo is an amazing AS, but IT WILL NOT MAKE YOU RONNIE COLEMAN. From the PMs I'm getting, that's what people think lol.

Mr.X

 

[Makavelli]

you want results, you have to pay for quality, like I said before, you can get more results from tren, but why suffer the sides? a waste IMO.

I think primo is an amazing AS, but IT WILL NOT MAKE YOU RONNIE COLEMAN. From the PMs I'm getting, that's what people think lol.

Mr.X

Of course bro. You know how all the kids are. They think that there is a magic pill that will transform them into Arnold. That's why the most debated topic on any AAS board is "What did Arnold take?". I don't care what he took because I know the real reason for his success was #1 genetics, # discipline, and #3 a sick work ethic. I'd like to see it just to amuse myself, but in no way would I immitate it thinking I will turn out like him.

 

[Mr.X]

It depends on how well your body handles the tren. I ran it for 6 wks along with test enth and got amazing results with very mild night sweats as the only side effect. Since tren is a very powerful androgen it has the likeliness of more severe side-effects. As I said before, it's all dependent upon your own body.

Chris

(PS. If you pay for me 12 wks of primo, I'll be more than happy to let you know how I like it. Until then, I'll drop the $2000 on something that is worth $2000. )

it doesn't depend on how you run it - internally the sides will STILL be there, you're still have impact on your body...yes 6 weeks is a short-run, but most people here think of 12-16wk cycles if not more.

Mr.X

 

[Mr.X]

Of course bro. You know how all the kids are. They think that there is a magic pill that will transform them into Arnold. That's why the most debated topic on any AAS board is "What did Arnold take?". I don't care what he took because I know the real reason for his success was #1 genetics, # discipline, and #3 a sick work ethic. I'd like to see it just to amuse myself, but in no way would I immitate it thinking I will turn out like him.

yeah that's pretty much the case on most AS boards - the newbs just don't understand that AS is NOT the answer to years of crappy diet/training or NO diet/training.

Anyone reading this, don't expect to become the next Mr.O from primo, but EXPECT very good, mostly side-free, results from it. Primo is an amazing product if used right.

Mr.X

 

[akita27]

yeah that's pretty much the case on most AS boards - the newbs just don't understand that AS is NOT the answer to years of crappy diet/training or NO diet/training.

Anyone reading this, don't expect to become the next Mr.O from primo, but EXPECT very good, mostly side-free, results from it. Primo is an amazing product if used right.

Mr.X

Mr. X, do you really believe Satchboogies claim of adding 22lbs of LEAN MASS in 16 weeks using 1gram of primo per week????

 

[Ulter]

Primo has it's place. It's not going to put huge amounts of LBM on you and NO STEROID affects your fat mass. So once a again boys and girls steroids, even primo, are not a diet drug. Primo is for people who want mild gains with few side effects. You can't find another steroid that is so easy to use without side effects.
If you look at the people using it successfully they look like most people here want to look. The fact is, most people here just want to look good at the beach and the body builders are far and few between. So Primo is fine for that. If you are a serious body builder looking for mass then Primo is not for you. I really don't know what all the argument is about. E2 posted all this 5 years ago and somewhere it's been lost in translation. If you want large mass then deca/test are your AS. But you have to eat, train, use ancillaries, and all the things that go into a well thought out cycle.

 

[Mr.X]

Mr. X, do you really believe Satchboogies claim of adding 22lbs of LEAN MASS in 16 weeks using 1gram of primo per week????

why not, he hasn't been training for all that long, and a GRAM! of primo will surely give you some good gains. Add the hard work and dedication and you have a combination for success.

I don't see why you're such a pessimist about the issue. Satch worked hard and put his money where his mouth is. Rather than question him, you should embrace his will and drive - you don't see much of that anymore.

Mr.X

 

[nishnish]

, I could barely take a breath at 296lbs...

Mr.X

296!!!! Jaysus!!!

you sure it wasn't all the bodyweight and not the fina? i huffed and puffed like a motherfucker at 282...

 

[view]

primo can be a good drug, particularly precontest and for women. for most people though, i'd say money should be spend on other drugs.

 

[Güclü_oglan]

i've tried both homebrewed primo and primo from schering (the turkish ones) and i wouldn't pay the price the americans have to pay for it that's for sure

if you want a cycle where you can gain fairly well compared to what you can do naturally and don't wanna worry about gyno it's a good steroid, but it still gives acne if prone, makes you go bald if you've prone to baldness and it won't give you much mass at all compared to testosterone mg by mg, but it's great for older people who don't wanna mess up their bloodfats when on longer cycles and don't wanna worry about bloodpressure

but keep in mind we all react very differently to drugs so just because i didn't get great results doesn't mean that other people won't get great results

primo is great if you got the cash and don't want sides, but my love stays with test... brutal gains, low cost, low sides and makes me horney

 

[Indy]

Mr. X, do you really believe Satchboogies claim of adding 22lbs of LEAN MASS in 16 weeks using 1gram of primo per week????

I dont usually chime in on these "negative" type threads, especially on all the negative comments from this user, however I know Satch, followed the last 16 weeks of his training etc.. and can verify what he did. I saw regular pics that no one else has seen on his progress throughout, that's how I know he never makes his bed, doesn't like to clean his bathroom, has a kitchen FULL of health food, and has never lied to me. You dont know me and dont have to take my word either, but why else would I waste me time typing this, Satch gained some serious pounds while on primo the last 4 months, and made alot of progress, there is no doubt about that...if people dont have the money for primo then dont buy it, let it die already, I have the money, I use it, I like it......Nice to have a cycle that is side free when compared to harsher chemicals.

I have been lifting for 21 years now, maybe I'll do some before and after shots, 16 weeks of 1 gram of primo and show people that you dont always have to be negative on everyone ...

 

[borg4902]

why not, he hasn't been training for all that long, and a GRAM! of primo will surely give you some good gains. Add the hard work and dedication and you have a combination for success.

I don't see why you're such a pessimist about the issue. Satch worked hard and put his money where his mouth is. Rather than question him, you should embrace his will and drive - you don't see much of that anymore.

Mr.X

I dont know why you are so pro-satch x. I think you should know better than anyone, that with the amount of gear used in his cycle he could have seriously transformed his body into something remarkable. Now if he had done what he did in yes 6 weeks mabey id be impressed. I do give him props for having the balls to post up. My cutter isnt 16 weeks and ive shed 55lbs so far, and im on underground crap gear. I think he could have obtained those results naturally as new as he is to the lifting scene.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

I'm just finishing up my cycle of:
wks 1-4 30mg dbol
wks 1-10 600mg primo
wks 1-10 350mg test
wks 5-12 40mg var
.5mg armidex ed

I've ran primo in the past, but never with this high of a dosage and it being the main chemical of my cycle. Started this cycle at 210lbs 9-10%bf and am currently at 205lbs 7%bf. Expected a little more out of this cycle. I don't think primo is total garbage or anything, I just feel for the amount of cash needed, there are much better options ou there. In my opinion I would have been much better by simply running test at 750mg and leaving the primo out.

LOL I love this feedback

 

[UA_Iron]

I'll run 2g's of primo a week if someone wants to pay for it

 

[borg4902]

I'll run 2g's of primo a week if someone wants to pay for it

Hell ill run just about anything if someone wants to pay for it, tell me what to eat how much to lift and how much cardio you want me to do and ill do it. Fuck for 2g's of primo a wk i'll walk on a mouse wheel all day!

 

[Mr.X]

296!!!! Jaysus!!!

you sure it wasn't all the bodyweight and not the fina? i huffed and puffed like a motherfucker at 282...

I was all good at 280, until I started using fina

 

[gettinkrunkd]

I dont know why you are so pro-satch x. I think you should know better than anyone, that with the amount of gear used in his cycle he could have seriously transformed his body into something remarkable. Now if he had done what he did in yes 6 weeks mabey id be impressed. I do give him props for having the balls to post up. My cutter isnt 16 weeks and ive shed 55lbs so far, and im on underground crap gear. I think he could have obtained those results naturally as new as he is to the lifting scene.

jesus christ....what kind of cycle you on. No offense, but if youve lost 55 lbs of fat in a cycle....why couldnt you have just done cardio a bit and lost some of that natty before....?

 

[Mr.X]

I dont know why you are so pro-satch x. I think you should know better than anyone, that with the amount of gear used in his cycle he could have seriously transformed his body into something remarkable. Now if he had done what he did in yes 6 weeks mabey id be impressed. I do give him props for having the balls to post up. My cutter isnt 16 weeks and ive shed 55lbs so far, and im on underground crap gear. I think he could have obtained those results naturally as new as he is to the lifting scene.

I have no idea what you're talking about? you're coming here, bashing satch for no reason. Why don't you post your pics to compare to his? he had the balls to do it.

Are you saying he should have done that in 6 weeks? you're full of shit. I've been in the fitness industry probably most of your life and I'll tell you that's nonsense. You're just jealous and being a dickhead. Some guys always want to put down those on top - pathetic.

Instead of putting people down, help people. With your 871 posts I doubt you've done any of that. So, go hijack someone else's thread. Am I bashing you? sure, I don't like you. You're a snotty little bastard that likes to put people down. Am I right? Sure I am; judging by your thread the only thing you're interested in is putting down satch.

Why don't you go compete with the 2 -satch , carth - post your pics and really put your money where your mouth is. Please don't pull a FONZ on us, we already know all the tricks.

Anyhow, go be negative somewhere else.

Mr.X

 

[gettinkrunkd]

I have no idea what you're talking about? you're coming here, bashing satch for no reason. Why don't you post your pics to compare to his? he had the balls to do it.

Are you saying he should have done that in 6 weeks? you're full of shit. I've been in the fitness industry probably most of your life and I'll tell you that's nonsense. You're just jealous and being a dickhead. Some guys always want to put down those on top - pathetic.

Instead of putting people down, help people. With your 871 posts I doubt you've done any of that. So, go hijack someone else's thread. Am I bashing you? sure, I don't like you. You're a snotty little bastard that likes to put people down. Am I right? Sure I am; judging by your thread the only thing you're interested in is putting down satch.

Why don't you go compete with the 2 -satch , carth - post your pics and really put your money where your mouth is. Please don't pull a FONZ on us, we already know all the tricks.

Anyhow, go be negative somewhere else.

Mr.X

I believe we call that "owned" now a days

 

[khemix]

X, I would love your opinion on this, something I stated in another thread:

"You motherfuckers here on elite constantly tell people to build a good base before you juice, and seriously emphasize how important that really is, and look at him! You are contradicting everything you guys say by cheering him on with his abuse! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would consider a 2.5yr training history and using 1000mg's of ANY single compound abuse. It doesn't matter if you have an agenda because you dont KNOW OF ANYONE who has done it before, its still abuse!"

Now we all know what I look like so you can't go saying that and ill go ahead and provide them now. I've been here long enough I know a good bit and have helped out plenty of people. And I know that I'm the only one openly calling him out on this, but haven't gotten a response, only karma hits from people agreeing. I'm curious as to how many cycles satch has done, and just when exactly he started juicing in his training career? No offense to anyone here, and there's no doubt he worked hard for what he has.

Chris

http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?folder_id=1350074

I have no idea what you're talking about? you're coming here, bashing satch for no reason. Why don't you post your pics to compare to his? he had the balls to do it.

Are you saying he should have done that in 6 weeks? you're full of shit. I've been in the fitness industry probably most of your life and I'll tell you that's nonsense. You're just jealous and being a dickhead. Some guys always want to put down those on top - pathetic.

Instead of putting people down, help people. With your 871 posts I doubt you've done any of that. So, go hijack someone else's thread. Am I bashing you? sure, I don't like you. You're a snotty little bastard that likes to put people down. Am I right? Sure I am; judging by your thread the only thing you're interested in is putting down satch.

Why don't you go compete with the 2 -satch , carth - post your pics and really put your money where your mouth is. Please don't pull a FONZ on us, we already know all the tricks.

Anyhow, go be negative somewhere else.

Mr.X

 

[Mr.X]

"You motherfuckers here on elite constantly tell people to build a good base before you juice, and seriously emphasize how important that really is, and look at him! You are contradicting everything you guys say by cheering him on with his abuse! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would consider a 2.5yr training history and using 1000mg's of ANY single compound abuse. It doesn't matter if you have an agenda because you dont KNOW OF ANYONE who has done it before, its still abuse!"

I think you're misunderstanding what is happening. I belive most people on EF, newbies for the highest part will do AS(steroids) NO MATTER what. Be realistic, you know as well as I do, people will do AS no matter how much "base" they have. Is building a base optimal? sure. Will the majority of people do it? of course not. I belive that upwards of 90-96% of people on EF never built any base.

I doubt you can call 1000mgs of primo abuse when you have these newbie walking chemical power-plants doing Test/tren/dbol and anadrol at about 4000mgs of chemicals per week.

Why is everyone cheering satch? that's because he's worked hard and, damn, the man does look good. He ran the most mild, side-free steroid (besides anavar) out there and achieved wonderful results with it, thru hard work, dedication and will.

I recall reading a quote by William F. Halsey a long time ago, it went like this:
"There are no great men, only great challenges that ordinary men are forced by circumstances to meet."

To be or not to be, to use or not to use, will not be the questions asked, rather what to use and how. I think most vets here would agree with me.

Should satch have workout out of 15 years, built a base then ran AS, sure, optimally in an ideal world he would/should. In reality, only a few people follow that route.

Did satch achieve great results? of course he did. That point no one can argue. He has amazing will and that's something very few have. As Vincent Lombardi once said: "The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will."

Mr.X

 

[khemix]

I think you're misunderstanding what is happening. I belive most people on EF, newbies for the highest part will do AS(steroids) NO MATTER what. Be realistic, you know as well as I do, people will do AS no matter how much "base" they have. Is building a base optimal? sure. Will the majority of people do it? of course not. I belive that upwards of 90-96% of people on EF never built any base.

I doubt you can call 1000mgs of primo abuse when you have these newbie walking chemical power-plants doing Test/tren/dbol and anadrol at about 4000mgs of chemicals per week.

Why is everyone cheering satch? that's because he's worked hard and, damn, the man does look good. He ran the most mild, side-free steroid (besides anavar) out there and achieved wonderful results with it, thru hard work, dedication and will.

I recall reading a quote by William F. Halsey a long time ago, it went like this:
"There are no great men, only great challenges that ordinary men are forced by circumstances to meet."

To be or not to be, to use or not to use, will not be the questions asked, rather what to use and how. I think most vets here would agree with me.

Should satch have workout out of 15 years, built a base then ran AS, sure, optimally in an ideal world he would/should. In reality, only a few people follow that route.

Did satch achieve great results? of course he did. That point no one can argue. He has amazing will and that's something very few have. As Vincent Lombardi once said: "The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will."

Mr.X

You're ignorance never fails!!

Totally joking! You made many great points in that post but that doesn't set to ease the fact of just how often people rant and rave about waiting to juice and then everyone contradicting themselves in this situation. I never once doubted that satch worked his ass off because I'm sure he did. But that doesn't mean its still okay for him to use 1000mg's of anything after such a short workout time. Do you REALLY, HONESTLY think his muscles have had time to mature with 2.5yrs training experience?

I honestly think that if this was anyone other than satch saying they were taking 1000mg of anything with 2.5yrs of lifting, they would get bashed to a crazy extent. Sure satch looks great and puts ALOT of work into himself, but I think he should look much better for the amount of drugs involved. People have been telling others to wait and train more on this board for YEARS and so now everything changes when satch decides to go the heavy highway? Does that make it okay? NO.

The plain truth of the matter is that with 2.5 years of training he shouldn't even be thinking about juicing. According to 90% of what people say on here atleast.

 

[Mr.X]

You're ignorance never fails!!
your reading comprehension never fails to amaze me

Totally joking! You made many great points in that post but that doesn't set to ease the fact of just how often people rant and rave about waiting to juice and then everyone contradicting themselves in this situation. I never once doubted that satch worked his ass off because I'm sure he did. But that doesn't mean its still okay for him to use 1000mg's of anything after such a short workout time. Do you REALLY, HONESTLY think his muscles have had time to mature with 2.5yrs training experience?

I don't think you're understanding anything I said, please RE-read what I said. I didn't say it was "right" or "wrong", but rather I commented on what happened. I think you're completely out of touch with reality here on EF, we have 90% of users using after 3-6 months of working out, and that's NEVER going to change. I've been at this game before these newbies even left the house crib, and the story is always the same.

Are you correct that people should build a base? Sure. Do 90%+ of people out there build a base? NO! and no matter what we say, their mind is made up before they even ask

I honestly think that if this was anyone other than satch saying they were taking 1000mg of anything with 2.5yrs of lifting, they would get bashed to a crazy extent. Sure satch looks great and puts ALOT of work into himself, but I think he should look much better for the amount of drugs involved. People have been telling others to wait and train more on this board for YEARS and so now everything changes when satch decides to go the heavy highway? Does that make it okay? NO.

I think satch made the decision that was right for him and he is able to show off some positive results. I doubt you nor I can be judges of a positive achievement.

You're also misunderstanding genetics, which play a major role in AS use. Over my years with clients, I've had people that used 300mgs of test per week and get MORE results then the people using 2000mgs of test per week - that's reality (same diet, same training). You can't use your and others gains as basis to judge other, who are in different physical realms.

Like I said before. Is it optimal to do what satch did? NO, of course not. However, it is optimal for him, and to judge it would be foolish and ignorant. In retrospect, I belive that ideally bodybuilders should use safe techniques to get to their goals. Realistically, I know people don't/wont do it.

In addition, I think satch picked a very mild product to use. Primobolan (Methenolone Enanthate) is considered one of the mildest steroids out there. If I was to choose something for a begginer that's trying to go at it with minimal to no-sides, I would go with primobolan. Primo lacks the conversion to DHT, it has low CNS activity, and it doesn't aromatize (for the most part). Minimal effective dosages is around 400-500mgs, he was using double the "minimal" dosage, so I don't see what the whoo-laaa is all about. 1000mgs of primo DOES NOT = 1000mgs of test. If anything I'd compare 1000mgs of primo to 300-350mgs of Test (maybe 400 max)

The plain truth of the matter is that with 2.5 years of training he shouldn't even be thinking about juicing. According to 90% of what people say on here atleast.
90% of people say, but 90% of people that ask for advice don't follow. Be a realist bro, it's already done, he got great results, now drop it. It's a dead topic

Mr.X

 

[Outtlaw]

I think satch made the decision that was right for him and he is able to show off some positive results. I doubt you nor I can be judges of a positive achievement.

You're also misunderstanding genetics, which play a major role in AS use. Over my years with clients, I've had people that used 300mgs of test per week and get MORE results then the people using 2000mgs of test per week - that's reality (same diet, same training). You can't use your and others gains as basis to judge other, who are in different physical realms.

Like I said before. Is it optimal to do what satch did? NO, of course not. However, it is optimal for him, and to judge it would be foolish and ignorant. In retrospect, I belive that ideally bodybuilders should use safe techniques to get to their goals. Realistically, I know people don't/wont do it.

In addition, I think satch picked a very mild product to use. Primobolan (Methenolone Enanthate) is considered one of the mildest steroids out there. If I was to choose something for a begginer that's trying to go at it with minimal to no-sides, I would go with primobolan. Primo lacks the conversion to DHT, it has low CNS activity, and it doesn't aromatize (for the most part). Minimal effective dosages is around 400-500mgs, he was using double the "minimal" dosage, so I don't see what the whoo-laaa is all about. 1000mgs of primo DOES NOT = 1000mgs of test. If anything I'd compare 1000mgs of primo to 300-350mgs of Test (maybe 400 max)

Mr.X

This needs to be re-read by many people here. I couldnt have said it better myself. Especially the part about primo not being equal to test.

"Minimal effective dosages is around 400-500mgs, he was using double the "minimal" dosage, so I don't see what the whoo-laaa is all about. 1000mgs of primo DOES NOT = 1000mgs of test. If anything I'd compare 1000mgs of primo to 300-350mgs of Test (maybe 400 max)"

 

[paridhm]

I'll start off by saying I've never tried Primo, but I am curious. To the bros. who have used 600mgs/week and higher. Were the results worth the great expense of the gear? Basically, is there bang for the buck?

 

[Jenetic]

IMO, you have to try primo first before you say anything, I've ran primo at 600mgs/wk and higher and I'll tell you, I LOVED it - granted Fina of course is stronger /better/cheaper BUT it has horrible sides; with fina, I could barely take a breath at 296lbs...just not a good product.

Run primo for 12 weeks, come back to me and tell me how you liked the results.

Mr.X

Agreed. In addition, it's not fair for individuals to bash primo just because they can't afford it or can't get their training and nutrition together.

Jenetic

 

[borg4902]

I have no idea what you're talking about? you're coming here, bashing satch for no reason. Why don't you post your pics to compare to his? he had the balls to do it.

Are you saying he should have done that in 6 weeks? you're full of shit. I've been in the fitness industry probably most of your life and I'll tell you that's nonsense. You're just jealous and being a dickhead. Some guys always want to put down those on top - pathetic.

Instead of putting people down, help people. With your 871 posts I doubt you've done any of that. So, go hijack someone else's thread. Am I bashing you? sure, I don't like you. You're a snotty little bastard that likes to put people down. Am I right? Sure I am; judging by your thread the only thing you're interested in is putting down satch.

Why don't you go compete with the 2 -satch , carth - post your pics and really put your money where your mouth is. Please don't pull a FONZ on us, we already know all the tricks.

Anyhow, go be negative somewhere else.

Mr.X

Well maybeif you spent more time clicking on posts then reasearching dietary info to fuel your "Fight on Fruit" you would have seen the 150+ pics ive thown up in the last 6 weeks alone. I'm 2 weeks out and would be glad to post up next to satch and carth as I have stated several times. I am not trying to bash him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was very disapointed is all. I really thought he was going to look sick as hell ripped. 16 weeks!!!!!! 16 weeks!!!!!!! Come on now X being in the fitness industry as long as you have you know the transformation that can occur in that time. Im just saying I was dissapointed is all. Hell for like a week I was waiting for the real pics to come out....but none ever did. Yea he gained some weight and lost some fat. Wow!!!! Didnt need 16 weeks of Primo for that is all im saying here. By the was I lostlike 30 natty before starting my cuting cycle, someone mentioned that...?

 

[needsize]

I believe we call that "owned" now a days

maybe you should follow what happens on this board, he is running a contest diet, and you tend to drop massive amount of weight when you do that. Your original post shows you have zero knowlege about whats being talked about here.

And as far as the original subject goes, I'm not here to bash anyone, but this is all another example of people not only using drugs when they shouldnt be, but using amounts that are way beyond necessary. I have the worst genetics in the world for gaining mass, but over the years I put in my time, not just training, but researching the hell out of every training and diet approach I could find. And as result, I would put my natural pics up against at least 80-90% of the people on this board who admit to juicing. And my pics after just one cycle of 500mg of test, I would put up against minimum of 90% of the people on here. And the sad thing is I wasnt huge, my physique wasnt impressive, at least not to me, but I actually worked for what I attained, before jumping on juice

 

[Mr.X]

Well maybeif you spent more time clicking on posts then reasearching dietary info to fuel your "Fight on Fruit" you would have seen the 150+ pics ive thown up in the last 6 weeks alone. I'm 2 weeks out and would be glad to post up next to satch and carth as I have stated several times. I am not trying to bash him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was very disapointed is all. I really thought he was going to look sick as hell ripped. 16 weeks!!!!!! 16 weeks!!!!!!! Come on now X being in the fitness industry as long as you have you know the transformation that can occur in that time. Im just saying I was dissapointed is all. Hell for like a week I was waiting for the real pics to come out....but none ever did. Yea he gained some weight and lost some fat. Wow!!!! Didnt need 16 weeks of Primo for that is all im saying here. By the was I lostlike 30 natty before starting my cuting cycle, someone mentioned that...?

You might say you're not bashing him, but it's clear you are. You're disappointed, I think not. What satch did in 16 weeks is a good achievement. Again, read my 2nd post, 1000mgs of primo would barely = 300mgs+ of test, so there is not much comparison - you're thowing apples and oranges out there and hoping they are the same, they are not.

You were waiting for pics, now you saw them. All I see now is you bitching and moaning about your disappointment with the way satch looked; jesus bro, get a life. It's amazing that people would waste their time being disappointed at someone's good achievement.

Also, I don't see how you're judging that he didn't need 16 weeks of primo. Do you really belive you can guess the time someone needs to make improvements? (someone you have no clue about) that's fairly hard even for a great buff like Dan Duchaine. When using primo, gains are VERY mild and fat-loss comes slowly if you're on balanced diet. I think looking at the whole picture: AS/diet/training/genetics, you will find that it's a LOT harder for some to gain/get results then for others. That's a staple standard in the industry.

No matter how you flip-flop here, you're bashing satch, and you wont drop the topic, which makes you seem very immature.

As for me, I get 100s of emails/PMs per day (mix and match), I don't have time to look at every post. Sure, maybe your pics are out there, who knows. Right now, I don't care, since all I see in your posts are negativity and hate. EF is a home for a lot of people that support and provide positive advice; it's not for negative and pessimistic agendas. Jealousy and hate is the downfall of mankind.

Mr.X

 

[halfaclue]

How do you guys who work full time find enough time to make all these meals!???!!!

I portion all my food on the weekends for the upcoming week. just use those disposable zip lock containers and bring a few to work each day and then friday throw them all in the dishwasher and start over again.

 

[satchboogie]

You might say you're not bashing him, but it's clear you are. You're disappointed, I think not. What satch did in 16 weeks is a good achievement. Again, read my 2nd post, 1000mgs of primo would barely = 300mgs+ of test, so there is not much comparison - you're thowing apples and oranges out there and hoping they are the same, they are not.

You were waiting for pics, now you saw them. All I see now is you bitching and moaning about your disappointment with the way satch looked; jesus bro, get a life. It's amazing that people would waste their time being disappointed at someone's good achievement.

Also, I don't see how you're judging that he didn't need 16 weeks of primo. Do you really belive you can guess the time someone needs to make improvements? (someone you have no clue about) that's fairly hard even for a great buff like Dan Duchaine. When using primo, gains are VERY mild and fat-loss comes slowly if you're on balanced diet. I think looking at the whole picture: AS/diet/training/genetics, you will find that it's a LOT harder for some to gain/get results then for others. That's a staple standard in the industry.

No matter how you flip-flop here, you're bashing satch, and you wont drop the topic, which makes you seem very immature.

As for me, I get 100s of emails/PMs per day (mix and match), I don't have time to look at every post. Sure, maybe your pics are out there, who knows. Right now, I don't care, since all I see in your posts are negativity and hate. EF is a home for a lot of people that support and provide positive advice; it's not for negative and pessimistic agendas. Jealousy and hate is the downfall of mankind.

Mr.X

MR.X..

thanks for taking your valuable time to comment on this thread.
you've shown much expertise and are a true guru!

youve stressed a point several times that most just DONT seem to understand..

1000mg primo is NOT 1000mg test!!!!

as soon as they hear 1000mg they flip out like its some ridiculous dose!
even for test i dont think its an obscene amount!!

and for primo???????

you know..
somebody once told me that when youre on top of the tree, theyll throw rocks at you... he was right.

 

[satchboogie]

I dont usually chime in on these "negative" type threads, especially on all the negative comments from this user, however I know Satch, followed the last 16 weeks of his training etc.. and can verify what he did. I saw regular pics that no one else has seen on his progress throughout, that's how I know he never makes his bed, doesn't like to clean his bathroom, has a kitchen FULL of health food, and has never lied to me. You dont know me and dont have to take my word either, but why else would I waste me time typing this, Satch gained some serious pounds while on primo the last 4 months, and made alot of progress, there is no doubt about that...if people dont have the money for primo then dont buy it, let it die already, I have the money, I use it, I like it......Nice to have a cycle that is side free when compared to harsher chemicals.

I have been lifting for 21 years now, maybe I'll do some before and after shots, 16 weeks of 1 gram of primo and show people that you dont always have to be negative on everyone ...

thanks for taking the time to post this my man...

the haters will always be there you know?
its cool though i dont take it to heart.

95% look like shit but have a BIG mouth behind a screen!

and all of them are negative punk assholes who dont know what a support board is all about!

anyhow, we have a fine group of friends here to help each other grow and become more educated.

thanks again bro.

 

[Outtlaw]

Well maybeif you spent more time clicking on posts then reasearching dietary info to fuel your "Fight on Fruit" you would have seen the 150+ pics ive thown up in the last 6 weeks alone. I'm 2 weeks out and would be glad to post up next to satch and carth as I have stated several times. I am not trying to bash him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was very disapointed is all. I really thought he was going to look sick as hell ripped. 16 weeks!!!!!! 16 weeks!!!!!!! Come on now X being in the fitness industry as long as you have you know the transformation that can occur in that time. Im just saying I was dissapointed is all. Hell for like a week I was waiting for the real pics to come out....but none ever did. Yea he gained some weight and lost some fat. Wow!!!! Didnt need 16 weeks of Primo for that is all im saying here. By the was I lostlike 30 natty before starting my cuting cycle, someone mentioned that...?

I dont know what you were expecting from these guys. These guys are not fitness professionals. They're not IFBB pros. They dont do this for a living. They're just 2 guys having a friendly competition. And here you come expecting somebody to show up looking like Dexter Jackson. I dont get it.

 

[satchboogie]

i love the platinum bombs!

 

[borg4902]

I'm just sayin if you are gonna start a post about how good you look then youd better back it up. Satch im sorry I was disapointed, as much shit as you were talking that whole time I expected to see Cutler unvailed on the 17th. I thought for sure youd be at like 4%. My bad dude. OK. Look at Kingwhinny, now he deserved to start his own thread on achivement. Satch good job bro! Not bashing but it just seemed to me like you have been bragging, and pushing primo like its going out of style for about two weeks now, and its just getting old is all.Yes you improved you physice we can all see and appritiate that. Im sure it wasnt easy and im not trying to take anything away from you. But it just seemes like your doing a lot of strutting, when there are several true freaks on this board who just keep quite and dont feel like they have to prove anything to anyone. I am not trying to offend anyone. Im 2 weeks out im dead tired and very cranky, its 103 degree's here and I have to wear a sweatsuit 24/7. Im sorry if I let it come out in my posts at times. Mr. X ive looked up to you since day one. You and you alone where the one who started me on my clean diet ways way back when I joined this board.

 

[Joe Stenson]

If anything I'd compare 1000mgs of primo to 300-350mgs of Test (maybe 400 max)

If this is true (and I'll assume it is because I know next to nothing about primo and you seem to know all about it), it's no wonder people say primo is overrated. I didn't think the difference was "that" night and day. If that's the case, I don't really see why people bother with primo. Surely sides will be very minimal on a dose of test that low for most people. And any gyno or bloating issues from test should EASILY be controlled at that dose.

 

[khemix]

MR.X..
you know..
somebody once told me that when youre on top of the tree, theyll throw rocks at you... he was right.

You're not at the top. Carth is.

And as far as the original subject goes, I'm not here to bash anyone, but this is all another example of people not only using drugs when they shouldnt be, but using amounts that are way beyond necessary. I have the worst genetics in the world for gaining mass, but over the years I put in my time, not just training, but researching the hell out of every training and diet approach I could find. And as result, I would put my natural pics up against at least 80-90% of the people on this board who admit to juicing. And my pics after just one cycle of 500mg of test, I would put up against minimum of 90% of the people on here. And the sad thing is I wasnt huge, my physique wasnt impressive, at least not to me, but I actually worked for what I attained, before jumping on juice

Damn straight. Everyone needs to read the bold lettering above, needsize hit it on the head.

 

[khemix]

I'm just sayin if you are gonna start a post about how good you look then youd better back it up. Satch im sorry I was disapointed, as much shit as you were talking that whole time I expected to see Cutler unvailed on the 17th. I thought for sure youd be at like 4%. My bad dude. OK. Look at Kingwhinny, now he deserved to start his own thread on achivement. Satch good job bro! Not bashing but it just seemed to me like you have been bragging, and pushing primo like its going out of style for about two weeks now, and its just getting old is all.Yes you improved you physice we can all see and appritiate that. Im sure it wasnt easy and im not trying to take anything away from you. But it just seemes like your doing a lot of strutting, when there are several true freaks on this board who just keep quite and dont feel like they have to prove anything to anyone. I am not trying to offend anyone. Im 2 weeks out im dead tired and very cranky, its 103 degree's here and I have to wear a sweatsuit 24/7. Im sorry if I let it come out in my posts at times. Mr. X ive looked up to you since day one. You and you alone where the one who started me on my clean diet ways way back when I joined this board.

This is a good post. I figured I'd reply to it so everyone could see it without the black background. I feel the same way bro.

 

[khemix]

If this is true (and I'll assume it is because I know next to nothing about primo and you seem to know all about it), it's no wonder people say primo is overrated. I didn't think the difference was "that" night and day. If that's the case, I don't really see why people bother with primo. Surely sides will be very minimal on a dose of test that low for most people. And any gyno or bloating issues from test should EASILY be controlled at that dose.

Good post too

 

[needsize]

You're not at the top. Carth is.



Damn straight. Everyone needs to read the bold lettering above, needsize hit it on the head.

thank you, and I would happily put either my natural pics or first cycle ones up against any of the shit talkers

 

[satchboogie]

You're not at the top. Carth is.

QUOTE]


pfff..
you make me laugh!

look at the big picture!
ah.... you wouldnt understand anyways....

 

[khemix]

You're not at the top. Carth is.

QUOTE]


pfff..
you make me laugh!

look at the big picture!
ah.... you wouldnt understand anyways....

You're right, I guess I dont understand. Honestly the only big picture I can look at has plenty of money signs in it for ya.

On a side note, how long had you been working out before juicing? And what cycle is this? Surely you have used other drugs to compare to primo. Thanks.

Chris

 

[Outtlaw]

If this is true (and I'll assume it is because I know next to nothing about primo and you seem to know all about it), it's no wonder people say primo is overrated. I didn't think the difference was "that" night and day. If that's the case, I don't really see why people bother with primo. Surely sides will be very minimal on a dose of test that low for most people. And any gyno or bloating issues from test should EASILY be controlled at that dose.

I find this ironic comming from someone who thought there was absolutely no difference between anavar and test/deca.

 

[Joe Stenson]

I find this ironic comming from someone who thought there was absolutely no difference between anavar and test/deca.

If that's the take-home message you got from me in that thread then I'm sorry, but your reading comprehension is really quite poor.

I don't care to start up again though.

 

[gettinkrunkd]

maybe you should follow what happens on this board, he is running a contest diet, and you tend to drop massive amount of weight when you do that. Your original post shows you have zero knowlege about whats being talked about here.

And as far as the original subject goes, I'm not here to bash anyone, but this is all another example of people not only using drugs when they shouldnt be, but using amounts that are way beyond necessary. I have the worst genetics in the world for gaining mass, but over the years I put in my time, not just training, but researching the hell out of every training and diet approach I could find. And as result, I would put my natural pics up against at least 80-90% of the people on this board who admit to juicing. And my pics after just one cycle of 500mg of test, I would put up against minimum of 90% of the people on here. And the sad thing is I wasnt huge, my physique wasnt impressive, at least not to me, but I actually worked for what I attained, before jumping on juice

bro, show me where he says that in his initial post that i responded to, and ill take it back...Instead of being an ass, sorry im not a fn psychic bro!

 

[needsize]

bro, show me where he says that in his initial post that i responded to, and ill take it back...Instead of being an ass, sorry im not a fn psychic bro!

he didnt say it in the post on this thread, but to anyone with knowlege of bodybuilding, what he posted instantly tells you what he is doing.....but not only that, you instantly jumped to conclusions, then were kind of a dick about it, while you were in fact wrong

 

[gettinkrunkd]

ok....so he didnt post it at the time i replied though, correct?

 

[needsize]

ok....so he didnt post it at the time i replied though, correct?

no, but you trashed him about the amount of weight he lost, without having any idea of what you were talking about

 

[nishnish]

jaysus...

 

[Singleton]

Primo works well for me.

Test is good. Dbol makes my hair fall out. Primo is good, and works really well 1:1 with test. Don't get too much hair loss, but some inevitable thinning.

I don't feel the need to try other compounds now. Test/primo with a little proviron here and there. Cycle every 3-6+ months.

I don't think I need to keep increasing my dosages, either. I already have the steroids look. I don't wanna look too freaky. Well, I do want to but it's getting to be too obvious that I'm juiced and I don't like that. I'm happy with gaining 10 solid lbs per cycle.

Primo is good because I don't feel heavy or bloated or too lethargic, and so cardio is easier. Of course, the primo won't cut you up -- you have to do that with diet/sleep and exercise.

A total program is what will make the result. And I need to keep working on that.

 

[tzan]

Unfucken believable what this thread turned into being. I simply gave my stats before and after my cycle along with my diet and came up with the conclusion that primo was over-rated. I had no idea people would get so yoked up over it. I'm no newbie to gear, traing or diet. I have ran numerous cycles in the past on basically the same diet with much greater sucess. Sure primo is a mild drug, but that is the reason it gives one less results. I tryed it since I was curious to see how I would react to it. Now I know. It's not the drug for me PERIOD. That doesn't nessecarilly mean it won't work for everyone, but for me it did jack shit.

 

[gettinripped]

this whole thread has turned into a freaking soap opera.