Primo and Short Cycles

[ALIN]

Just happened to be randomly thinking about short vs. long cycles, etc... I was wondering if Primo could be effective in a short cycle.

I know that most around here recommend Primo for longer cycles, but would Primo work in a shorter cycles (2 on 3 off, repeat, type scenarios)? Most likely oral would be better in this situation, but how much, given it's relative inefficiency compared to injectable... 200mg/day? 250mg?

Swole? Needto? Nelson? Halfcenturian? Another bros in the know?

I would say NO. save the PRIMO for when you can run a higher mg for longer periods.

 

[Barch]

I would say NO. save the PRIMO for when you can run a higher mg for longer periods.

What length/dosage do you recommend and why? Just trying to hear as many opinions as possible before making a decision. Thanks!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, with a 4 weeker, do you recommend a certain structure (e.g. 4 weeks on/ x weeks off, repeat)?

I believe time off should be at least TWICE the length of the time on.

 

[Barch]

I believe time off should be at least TWICE the length of the time on.

That's NOT including PCT, correct? Also, I was wondering how you came to 6 weeks as an ideal? I've heard lots of people say that 4 weeks is the limit before total HPTA shutdown (don't know where this came from either). Is this anecdotal/personal experience or are there any studies on the subject?

 

[josenunes]

Are you referring to the SFH article I wrote 11 years ago? Back then I said 3 weeks with a one week taper. I've made a few revisions in the last decade. I think we can safely say we're splitting hairs here.

Yeah, probably, I`m currently using your protocol , I`m in the second week(9 days) of 100 mg primo eod, andriol 8 caps /day and methyl stenbolone(mass tabs) , so far I`m up 3 pounds, and I plan to change the mass tabs for var just like you wrote (on the 3rd week), well after reading this I`ll probably go one more week with the same primo dosage.
My objective is only 10 lean pounds, I cant go heavier cause I play soccer and is hard to run if I pass that weight.
Thanks

 

[halfcenturian]

Just happened to be randomly thinking about short vs. long cycles, etc... I was wondering if Primo could be effective in a short cycle.

I know that most around here recommend Primo for longer cycles, but would Primo work in a shorter cycles (2 on 3 off, repeat, type scenarios)? Most likely oral would be better in this situation, but how much, given it's relative inefficiency compared to injectable... 200mg/day? 250mg?

Swole? Needto? Nelson? Halfcenturian? Another bros in the know?

Let's get back to your original question. Go with what Swole said. He is the King of Primo. I totally agree.
If you are going to run PRIMO, and want to get the best results from PRIMO, then run it for 4 months.
400-600/wk. Half dose on Monday. Second half Thurs.

As you probably know, Primo is like maple syrup in February. THICK.
Heat it up and it will draw into syringe and inject with much less effort. Oh ya, it hurts too.
Go nice and deep with 1.5" X 22 or 23g needle.
Too shallow of an injection will leave a lump. So massage injection site a little.
Dive...Dive...Dive!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Let's get back to your original question. Go with what Swole said. He is the King of Primo. I totally agree.
If you are going to run PRIMO, and want to get the best results from PRIMO, then run it for 4 months.
400-600/wk. Half dose on Monday. Second half Thurs.

As you probably know, Primo is like maple syrup in February. THICK.
Heat it up and it will draw into syringe and inject with much less effort. Oh ya, it hurts too.
Go nice and deep with 1.5" X 22 or 23g needle.
Too shallow of an injection will leave a lump. So massage injection site a little.
Dive...Dive...Dive!

At that point it doesn't matter. 4 months, six months, six years. Doesn't matter. Of course the more you take and the longer you take it the better the results. But that has nothing to do with trying to maintain a functional HPTA.

Most evidence is anecdotal in the area of length. I believe you can get away with a month with very little shutdown. 6 weeks requires a good PCT. But there are studies that show anything over 12 weeks causes a total halt to LH production.

jonunes, you're doing a variation of the "perfect cycle?" That's very specific and changing it kinda negates the purpose, but you should make nice lean gains with what you're doing. Andriol is VERY weak though. Train hard and eat clean and you should be happy with the results.

 

[halfcenturian]

Tough call, you're going to get mixed opinions.

Personally, anything less than 10 weeks on the enanthate ester would be a waste. I feel primo is best used long term...something like 12-20 week cycles. You get high quality dry gains but they take time. I didn't notice anything until week 7-8. After that the gains are cake If you ended it at 8 weeks you'd be robbing yourself of some incredible development.

Primo ace? Never used it.

And forget oral primo. For the amount you need to overcome the bioavailability issue you are wasting your time, financially and physically.

If you want to blast a short cycle get some prop, npp (short ester deca) and winstrol. I bet you can make 6 weeks worth your time with that bad boy.

That's the protocol for Primo.


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[aquatic_glories]

Nelson , we would like you to share those papers with us if you have them. Or find them whenever you have time.

Thanks

 

[Nelson Montana]

That's the protocol for Primo.


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According to whom? Protocols come and go.