OPINIONS On My New Routine..

[Ingram]

Pulldowns are worthless.

Platz, again wasting his time!

 

[ZZuluZ]

Ingram, damn you're so clever. I didn't realize average human being should train the same way as pro bodybuilders...my bad!

"No, not necessarily, though I would favor chins over pulldowns."

Not necessairly? They're always superior.

" but there is certainly a place for them in most routines. Just a few examples: Westside incorporates isolation moves, Poliquin uses them in his routines, and Bryan Haycock includes them in his hypertrophy-specific routines. There are plenty more examples. "

Examples don't disprove simple physiological facts. Since when does WS use leg curls as a main exercise [other than recuperation?]. I'm pretty sure Charles Poliquin does NOT advocate leg extensions either.

-Zulu

 

[Ingram]

Leg curls are worthless.

Arnold? doing leg curls?!? Why the fuck is he wasting his time doing leg curls??

 

[Ingram]

Ingram, damn you're so clever. I didn't realize average human being should train the same way as pro bodybuilders...my bad!

"No, not necessarily, though I would favor chins over pulldowns."

Not necessairly? They're always superior.

" but there is certainly a place for them in most routines. Just a few examples: Westside incorporates isolation moves, Poliquin uses them in his routines, and Bryan Haycock includes them in his hypertrophy-specific routines. There are plenty more examples. "

Examples don't disprove simple physiological facts. Since when does WS use leg curls as a main exercise [other than recuperation?]. I'm pretty sure Charles Poliquin does NOT advocate leg extensions either.

-Zulu

Well what the fuck do you expect when you come on here making bold statements saying certain exercises are useless? I agree that compound exercises are superior to isolation exercises for mass and strength gains. On the other hand isolation exercises do have there time and place.

By the way, those quotes aren't mine.

 

[ZZuluZ]

You made quite a moot point with all the pictures.....nice job.

" I agree that compound exercises are superior to isolation exercises for mass and strength gains. "

Then we agree. It's a simple matter of opportunity cost. Apparantly this concept is lost on some.

-Zulu

 

[Blood&Iron]

"No, not necessarily, though I would favor chins over pulldowns."

Not necessairly? They're always superior.

I was referring to your comment that isolation exercises are "hardly beneficial for gaining mass" which is a provably false statement. Now, whether they're the best choice is another debate entirely.

" but there is certainly a place for them in most routines. Just a few examples: Westside incorporates isolation moves, Poliquin uses them in his routines, and Bryan Haycock includes them in his hypertrophy-specific routines. There are plenty more examples. "

Examples don't disprove simple physiological facts. Since when does WS use leg curls as a main exercise [other than recuperation?]. I'm pretty sure Charles Poliquin does NOT advocate leg extensions either.

-Zulu

Duh. You said "I think every expert agrees with me on this one" referring to your belief that both machines and isolation exercises are worthless. This is again, provably false, as plenty of experts DON'T think this. I provided a couple of examples. Whether a particular individual likes or dislikes a given isolation exercise has nothing to do with the general argument. Your original statement said nothing about physiological facts--which is a bullshit argument anyways. Actually, please provide me a physiological argument why isolation exercises will not increase muscle mass? I'm waiting...Shoot, you can't provide one? That's because there aren't any. Looking merely at textbook physiology there is no reason one couldn't get just as big as possible using only isolation exercises.

 

[MonStar1023]

Cocky know it all people like ZZuluZ are why I dont post anymore @ Elite.

 

[NFG123]

I agree with elite somewhat. Compound are better than isolation.

I think that Leg extensions are a waste of time.

I think that leg curls are OK.

I think that pulldowns are OK.

Thse are GOOD exercises ... I follow a MAX OT plan. Most isolation movements ARE NOT done because they arent as productive at producing muscle growth. HOWEVER, I do them once in a while to mix it up, and many others find them effective ... so I will take their word for it.

NFG

 

[ZZuluZ]

Ugh, there's no sense in discussing semantics.

When I said 'worthless' I did not literally mean worhtless, but rather in the sense of opportunity cost. Again, the concept is lost on most people.

And MonStar.....good.

-Zulu

 

[Blood&Iron]

Ugh, there's no sense in discussing semantics.

When I said 'worthless' I did not literally mean worhtless, but rather in the sense of opportunity cost. Again, the concept is lost on most people.
-Zulu

No, the concept is not lost on me. You made, however, no mention of cost/benefit in your original post, You instead made authoritative statements like "Leg curls are worthless." Then when I, and others, disputed this statement, and other equally incorrect statements, you suddenly resorted to "Well, that's not what I really meant." Nor are you able to refute the assertions of my last post, so now you say I'm merely being semantically nit-picky and that by 'worthless' you didn't really mean worthless. Bullshit. Of course that's what you meant.
That's like writing "I think you're an asshole." Then saying, "Well I didn't literally mean 'asshole.' " I don't think the person to whom this was directed would be any less pissed off. I almost never make authoritative statements about lifting for this very reason. They are almost never true. I used to be quite convinced of my own infallibility, but some time ago I realized there's plenty I don't know. Hopefully you will come to this realization yourself at some point.