Nolvadex Will Not Get Rid Of Gyno

[nooleaph]

Quick question... a little of hte subject. I am taking
Deca @ 400mg/week 1-8wks
Anavar @ 40mg/week 1-8wks

I was going to follow up 3 weeks after my cycle with Clomid therapy starting on my 11th week at

Clomid @ 50mg/day 11-13wks

I read this which totally changes everything;

""It should also be noted that clomid, arimidex, proviron, nolvadex, and other "anti-estrogens" will not combat progesterone induced gyno."

"The new "abortion pill" RU-486, which basically works by blocking progesterone, is also starting to be used to combat progesterone induced gyno."

...So basically the clomid would do nothing but help my testies start to pump out the test, but would have no effect on deca endouced gyno?

 

[Audio8]

...So basically the clomid would do nothing but help my testies start to pump out the test, but would have no effect on deca endouced gyno? [/B]

Clomid is only a weak anti-estrogen..it's main purpose is to restore your HPT axis. And yes, it has no effect on pro-gyno, like every other anti-e.

 

[nandi12]

There is a lot of misunderstanding over the whole concept.

A lot of misunderstanding arises from the inappropriate use of words like "cure" and "disease" when talking about gyno. Gyno is really a symptom of some underlying physiological abnormality, like excess estrogen. It is inaccurate to talk about "curing" gyno. One talks about "treating" the symptoms of a disease, but "curing" the underlying disease itself.

For example, if gyno is caused by an estrogen secreting tumor, the gyno can be treated with tamoxifen or raloxifene, but unless the underlying problem (the tumor) is removed, the gyno will most likely return once treatment is stopped.

If the gyno is caused by anabolic steroids, the gyno can treated, but unless steroids are stopped, it will return.

Regression of gyno can mean partial or complete, just like with cancer. But again, like with cancer, the gyno may or may not return once treatment is stopped.

Drug induced gyno will regress, disappear, go away, or however you want to say it, once the drug is stopped, unless, as I mentioned in my original post, fibrosis has replaced ductal hyperplasia. Once that happens, surgery is the only effective treatment. Tamoxifen or raloxifene would undoubtedly speed up the recovery process after stoping steroids and ease the pain and tenderness associated with the gyno.

 

[el cubano]

If nolvadex "gets rid" of gyno, then why would you worry about it coming back the next time you take test? Why do people speak of their gyno "flaring up" during a cycle if it should have been gone after there last nolvdex therapy? Just think about it, it is BB common sense. If nolvadex "got rid" of gyno everyone would take it once and be done with it. But that's not the case.

Nandi12, you are right, nolvadex will speed up the process of the enlarged breast tissue shrinkage (lol), but when these people write that nolvadex is supposed to get rid of gyno, I just want them to know that if you are prone to gyno it will come back on your next cycle, unless you use nolvadex again. Yes, we, as BB's misuse the term gyno, but it has become SLANG in the BB world and that is why we CAN misuse the word.

If you are prone to gyno you will always be prone to gyno, unless you have ALL the tissue removed. Nolvadex will only control the "proneness".

 

[nandi12]

when these people write that nolvadex is supposed to get rid of gyno, I just want them to know that if you are prone to gyno it will come back on your next cycle, unless you use nolvadex again.

I agree 100%, el cubano. That cannot be emphasized strongly enough. You have done an excellent job putting that point across in your posts.

BTW, I did not know that raloxifene was superior to nolvadex, and that is very valuable information for all of us. Thanks.

 

[kbrkbr]

Damn, I love this board. Nothing like a lively debate! Great work everyone.

 

[kiwibrian]

i used tomoxifien some years ago when doing every cycle and i still got bitch tits ...... had to have a operation to remove $ 1000

kiwibrian

 

[gurupimp6969]

This is what I am talking about. Some good old Elite studys against studys Good info guys.

 

[Lumberg]

OK. We know that Nolvaldex and arimidex/femara can help prevent and possibly treat(to a small degree) estrogen-induced gyno. What is the standard prevention or treatment for prgesterone-induced gyno? And are there any other causes of gyno besides estrogen and progeesterone?

JC

 

[el cubano]

OK. We know that Nolvaldex and arimidex/femara can help prevent and possibly treat(to a small degree) estrogen-induced gyno. What is the standard prevention or treatment for prgesterone-induced gyno? And are there any other causes of gyno besides estrogen and progeesterone?

JC

If you read the studies posted most adolescent gyno is caused by a liver condition.