Thanks spektor.
Glad I take it you are talking about upper back ROUNDING not arching lol. Yeah I know form won't be perfect on max pulls but I don't like going so heavy the form breaks down every workout, that's how I got injured before. So I'll work up to a 1rm next week then reset the weights. It's wierd though if I keep good form then the weak point in my deadlift is breaking it from the floor, but if like yesterday my form breaks down then it's the mid portion of the rep that is the hardest...
Been having some motivational issues on and off for the last week or so. Some days I just have no drive to do anything. Pretty much every morning I wakeup and Im so sick of everything I would rather go hungry than cook more eggs/chicken and eat it, very sick of eating the same foods every day.
Sometimes Ill look forward to going to the gym all day then when I get home from school and get ready to go I just find myself thinking Im not even that fussed about going.
I also find that I can get 6 hours of sleep in a night or 10 hours of sleep and Im just as fatigued and tired throughout the day. Its almost as if there is no point in going to bed early because Im always still tired.
Ironically these are actually symptoms of having naturally low production of testosterone lol. I looked it up and wierdly I actually have most of the symptoms. Although most of them could have multiple explanations. Wierd![]()
EM, I've got a lot of respect for you and the way you diet. Keep it up.
decided to bulk up? that's a shit ton of food bro.

Friday 22nd July (workout in the am)
Deadlifts
132 x 5
182 x 5
231 x 5
275 x 5
330 x 3
Bent Over Rows
143 x 6 x 6
Weighted Chins
+ 33lbs x 5 wide grip
+ 33lbs x 5 medium neutral grip
+ 33lbs x 5 curl grip
Wide Grip Pulldown
#8 x 12 x 2
Standing Calf Raise
132 x 36
132 x 21
110 x 20
Reverse Grip Bench
110 x 25
132 x 15
143 x 10
154 x 8
154 x 7
3 sets tri extensions
3 sets pulldown abs
Had an awesome pre w/o meal today; got up early and made a chicken stew from 10oz chicken breast, coconut oil, lime juice, broccoli, peanut oil and some other veg. Hit up the post workout egg white + protein powder shake as usual with a banana and raisins. Now time to get some of dat dere anabolic red meat![]()

Most people find inclines the safest on the shoulder.
This is what I've heard/seen for most people as well.
Oddly enough, for me it's the opposite. I've tried different grips, a few different widths, going down different depths. No matter what I do, my shoulder just clickity-clacks the entire time. Feels something like a tendon sliding over a bone. Neither regular bench nor military bother my shoulders at all.

Been thinking a lot about what to do with my training and how to tackle the problems I've encountered. I've decided I'm going to take a risk and make some big changes. I'm going to drop my squat right back to the 230-250 range for 5-8 reps. This should be sub max and allow me to get a break from maxing out on the squats. I'm going to drop deadlifts for the next month. I have also found that I can't get any progress going on any of the back work I do. For this reason I'm going to replace deadlifts with high pulls for a month. The explosive nature should overload my upper back while allowing me to practice really ripping the bar off the floor - something I struggle with.
I'm going to start squatting twice a week also.
And I'm going to start doing my chest work on an incline. Incline db used to be a main stay for benchpress assistance and my bench used to be my strongest lift so I figure I'll go back to that.
While my squat and DL are deloaded I'll be working hard on strengthening my quads and spinal erectors. These are the areas that fail first in my squats and pulls. So my training will look like this for the next month:
Monday:
squats for a 3-5 rep set
front squat probably hit a 2x2 or 3x3
calves 3 sets
weighted hypers 5 sets
leg press 2 sets
Wednesday
bench work up to a 2-5 rep set
ohp: 2-3 sets
incline db: 4 sets
bi's: 8 sets
Friday:
squat up to a sub max set of 8
high pulls 4-5 sets
tri's: 8 sets
accessory work: grip, calves, abs
lweaver: during the squat I drive out of the hole pretty well (glute strength) then get stuck half way up, often I start to loose my arch too.
during the deadlift I find it hard to really rip the bar off the floor. My hips also shoot up a bit and my back rounds.
jdid: back squats hit hams, so do the weighted back raises. Also you mensioned upper back, but high pulls are primarily an upper back exercise. This is just a temporary change, something I have never done for back before, that should provide some overload. I need a break from deadlifting anyway.
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