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Moon face/fat from Nandrolone for years. Please help!

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doll32

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I have had moon face problems for 7 years!!


The water weight is primarily in my face/chin and hips. I have included photos of myself before and after. Before is me in a navy blazer, a few months after is me in a stripey top 7 years ago and the selfie shot in the navy jumper with fat deposits under my chin and on my hip was taken today.


To recap I bought some Deca diboldazol/Nandrolone from an online source 7 years ago and took 2 tablets every day for two weeks in total then I stopped.It was a powder form so it could have been a prohormone or something else I dont know for sure. I knew nothing of steroids at the time being young at stupid at age 20 that I thought I would grow bigger. literally Overnight I got moon face symptoms and the worst area of fat build up was in my hips and face. I eventually did something about it.


Here is a list of what I have tried so far....


I went to the doctor to get bloods and they came back fine.


Iv'e tried at my own accord a low sodium diet and Aromasin/Novaldex pct 12.5mg EOD which I supplemented with milk thistle and fish oil. I kept estrogen stable and crashed it by accident once increasing the dose. 7 tablets per day of N2 guard for one month and still no joy for any of them at eliminating water weight.

I saw an Endocrinologist and the tests all came back normal and now I'm discharged. Here are list of them


24-hour urine collection for adrenaline and non adrenaline, a late night saliva test, low-dose dexamethasone suppression test, prolactin of 147,cortisol 299,testosterone 21, SHBG 36.5, Oestradiol 112, TSH 1.01, T 4 13.6,T3 5.2,FSH 2, LH 4, Creatinine 91, EGFR 87, IGF 22 and normal liver function tests and vitamin D. I also tested negative for cushion's syndrome. I have been ruled out for Acromegaly.


Im currently having an aldosterone/progesterone blood test to check for a benign tumour just in case.


I am also convinced the water retention/fat is all over my body as I take a slightly bigger shoe size and my knee is slightly lumpy. However Some people have said it wouldn't be a moon face issue. After 7 years I'm told the water would have disappeared so I don't know what to think.


I know for sure it is not an aging problem that my face would changed over time. I've seen very fat people and they still dont have what I have.


Other Options I haven't tried yet are a CRT scan (dangerous radiation!!) to see what's going on exactly in the pituitary gland to check for a benign tumour.


Could I take Cardarine to combat the moon face symptom?


I'm out of ideas of how to get rid of this chin fat or am I stuck with it and will need liposuction to get rid of it? I just cant believe i'd need surgery if it's a hormonal issue that gave me this problem in the first place.


I'd be very grateful for all your opinions

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I'm going to tell you this: the bloating you speak of is not from the nandrolone. Two weeks would have done nothing permanent to you. Moonface from AAS goes away when you cease use of the drugs. I think what you're seeing is simply from aging. You look really young in the first picture and you said this was over a 7 year span. When you had your blood work did they check your free testosterone? I don't recommend having liposuction. I lost my double chin simply by dieting and training. You have to watch out for liposuction as it could leave you with loose skin.
 
Bro.. 7 years.. get real. The Deca has nothing to do with your moon face..
You aged, you got fat, period.

Proper diet, proper workout and lose the quadruple chin.
 
Yeah dude what's up with you a reality check and a good kick in the pants is what's need here I think your loosing your youthfulness and may be the women aren't biting and it's a little harder to real them in or you have to make do with the fat chicks �� get a grip stop blaming things you done 7 years ago although dude a mate of mine took test for about 6 weeks and he developed a massive blotch on his face he came off and tried again some months later from a different source and the same thing kept happening but only with test so it a hormonal thing and once his hormones are back to normal the blotch goes away so what ever you got ain't hormonal so your looking at the wrong thing bro try looking at your diet good luck
 
I told this guy the same thing on another forum

you went from a boy to a man.

it is amazing to me the younger generation is so obsessed with looking like boys, as if women want to date boys. they want men. a lot of friends of mine still have baby faces as adults and they bitch that no women takes them seriously. i'm not sure if it is a product of growing up with no father figure in their lives or what, but real WOMEN want MEN, not baby faced skinny boys.

a 35 year old looks very different than a 20 year old for a reason
 
stevesmi said:
as if women want to date boys. they want men.
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I'm glad people agree with me on this one. I was the guy that looked 21 in the face when I was 16. I was a high school sophomore and the ladies from the local university would sometimes flirt with me when I'd go to clubs.
 
Thanks for the responses. I will get the free testosterone test done right away.

I understand what you all mean and are correct to a certain degree that people age which I agree however thats not normal for what I had happen to me. I changed overnight!! I would rather have a double chin any day than this weird fat deposit I have.

Have you heard of anyones face litterally changing overnight like myself as you can clearly see from the photos?

If this free testosterone test comes back negative could my next option be to get CT scan to see whats going on my pituitary glands or just lipo surgery?

It's driving me nuts so I would get surgery. Iv'e heard on one forum on in inconclusive water weight post/problem and they had libo suction and then the fat came back!!!! Didn't see photos so I have no idea.
 
I guess I'm just not seeing in your photos anything other than natural aging. Are you saying there is a fatty deposit in there, like a solid lump?
 
There is no solid lump but the skin has stretched in a way that makes my face look bigger and the fat deposits just sit there under my chin. No exercise and even a skinny 30 waist like myself cant get it off with a no sodium diet. Very strange
 
Lets just say for a moment that the compounds you ran did in fact cause your moon face, how is that going to help you to fix it?

AI's, SERMS, and dopamine-agonists aren't going to help for compounds you ran 7 years ago. The only way you can get rid of moon face is by diet or losing body fat, if that doesn't work your stuck with it bud so better enjoy how your face looks.


You should really ask a Dr. about your issue straight up.
 
I think you got a bit of a mental issue here ( not an insult ) rather than a physical one. It's not uncommon for guys in your age. Lots of changes your body and mind go through.
Could be anything from anxiety to a mild or severe depression. If you think about compounds you took 7 years ago, you're clearly dwelling on your past 'prime'. Get some professional help.
 
JaylovesDbol said:
I think you got a bit of a mental issue here ( not an insult ) rather than a physical one. It's not uncommon for guys in your age. Lots of changes your body and mind go through.
Could be anything from anxiety to a mild or severe depression. If you think about compounds you took 7 years ago, you're clearly dwelling on your past 'prime'. Get some professional help.
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I can remember things changing in my late 20's and early 30's. It did mess with my head. Now I'm too old to give a fuck.
 
Thanks for your posts everyone.

I will get this (free) testosterone test as someone suggested to me before,then If that doesn't prove anything I will not bother with a CT scan to check for the pituitary gland as no one here as advised it to do it. I will opt for the lipo suction surgery and will take the risk for the saggy skin.
 
doll32 said:
Thanks for your posts everyone.

I will get this (free) testosterone test as someone suggested to me before,then If that doesn't prove anything I will not bother with a CT scan to check for the pituitary gland as no one here as advised it to do it. I will opt for the lipo suction surgery and will take the risk for the saggy skin.
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you obviously have some sort of insecurity here. no different than women who get fake boobs or such. in your case i think you are making a huge mistake and wasting your money.

you look BETTER in the 2nd pictures. you look mature.. a man should fill out
 
This is so interesting that I have found the ingredients and effects of this drug I took.

They quote "Deca Diboldazol works by blasting testosterone in the bloodstream and modulating the aromatization and metabolism of the female hormones of estrogen and estradiol,therby stimulating a massive increase in the new cellular material hyperlapsia giving you a RAW BRUTAL muscle size and power)

This means I need to reverse my Hyperlapsia which apparently is possible with meds? I think iv'e sold the problem!

Allelujahhhhh! Now I some how have to get doc to subscribe me this med!

Let me know your thoughts everyone.
 
The problem with tings like Web Md is that everything now thinks they are an expert. They read one study and think they have everything solved.

I personally think your problems are all in your head. Your face doesn't look moon faced at all. It looks more masculine and defined. You aged. Your jaw line became more pronounced. You don't look like a boy anymore. You look like a man.

I dont think there is anything wrong with you at all. You look and sound perfectly healthy in my opinion.
 
Bro, you look perfectly normal to me. You are just some years older. Sucks, we all know that. Start doing some sports and get a tan and you will look leaner and better again.
 
The best way I can describe my face is the same as this guy's face on the below.
He is definitely fatter than me in the left photo yet I weigh 74 kg now and am 5ft 9 1/2 inches but I still have that moon face look like him with fat deposits under the chin like him and enlarged cheeks slightly,not to forget the rest of my body is bigger very slightly. Also small non solid fat lumps on my hips and I have slightly bigger legs and knees. This was all overnight from the first 2 tablets I took from this drug.

I am told by so many that it can't be water weight after 7 years so it seems it could be hormonal. If that's true about the water weight taking Cardarine is a waste of time? Hyperlapsia is the growth of additional muscle tissue which could be what I have if it isn't water weight. This is why I can't see why you can rule out hyperlapsia. Could be something up with pituitary growth hormone?

I don't think I need to be dryed out with winistrol as I have been to the sauna and even when i was dryed out there I still had that moon face look and Iv'e also tried a mild Diuretic called aqua ban which again did take some of the fat off but i still maintained the moon face look.

Thanks
 
The best way I can describe my face is the same as this guy's face below.
He is definitely fatter than me in the left photo yet I weigh 74 kg now and am 5ft 9 1/2 inches but I still have that moon face look like him with fat deposits under the chin like him and enlarged cheeks slightly,not to forget the rest of my body is bigger very slightly. Also small non solid fat lumps on my hips and I have slightly bigger legs and knees. This was all overnight from the first 2 tablets I took from this drug.

I am told by so many that it can't be water weight after 7 years so it seems it could be hormonal. If that's true about the water weight is taking Cardarine a waste of time? Hyperlapsia is the growth of additional muscle tissue which could be what I have if it isn't water weight. This is why I can't see why you can rule out hyperlapsia. Could be something up with pituitary growth hormone?

I don't think I need to be dryed out with winistrol as I have been to the sauna and even when i was dryed out there I still had that moon face look and Iv'e also tried a mild Diuretic called aqua ban which again did take some of the fat off but i still maintained the moon face look.

Thanks

 
When I took the aromasin drug with novaldex,the aromasin drug 110 percent made my chin slightly more noticeable and took away some of the curved fat look I had on the chin and defined it ever so slightly.

Knowing that aromasin has done this to my face what's to say another steroid can do the same with the fat deposits I have?
 
Not sure if this is a troll or if you have serious mental issues...

I would go see a doc and get checked out. You seem to have serious self esteem issues.
 
I agree. I would book an appointment with a good therapist. I think you have some really strong underlying self esteem issues you need to address.
 
Not a troll at all. Just very vein.

I know youv'e all proved your point but I will say that the fluid retention/fat deposits are spread out across the entire of my body except my hands. But it is a very small amount and looks nothing like the edema photos you see of bad people.

My legs, knees,arms,feet,face,arms and neck are ever so slightly bigger. I also found it strange I hadn't lifted weights in nearly 2 years and still hadn't lost muscle when before I took the steroid and lifted weight i'd loose it quickly.

Is it possible to have mild case of edema? I have had my liver checked and that's perfectly fine. I dont mean to nack,just a narcissist[FONT=arial, sans-serif].

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^^^ bud every person in this thread has said there is nothing wrong with you. you can either think that is a fluke or you can admit we are right. it is up to you

also hate to break it to you but MOST guys in the gym look like they don't lift. I see the same dudes in the gym, and I live in an affluent part of the world where every guy can easily afford steroids. building muscle is hard, if it wasn't every guy would look like Arnold

if you aren't gaining in the gym then your training and diet is not good enough. most guys I see in the gym have no clue how to really push their body to get results. and they think subway is healthy eating. you gotta eat muscle building foods

also your genetics just might suck. you can't turn a cornerback that is 5'9 and 185 pounds in the NFL and put him at nose tackle where guys are typicall 6 2 and 300 pounds and expect him to do well.. and vice versa. imagine a nose tackle trying to cover a WR sprinting down field.. you gotta find your niche in weight training.. some guys are built to strength train better and some are bodybuilders or physique guys
 
stevesmi said:
^^^ bud every person in this thread has said there is nothing wrong with you. you can either think that is a fluke or you can admit we are right. it is up to you
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OK Ill have to accept it. Last few things i'd like to know is what has actually happened inside my body to have increased my size overall? Have the cells enlarged permanently? I'm perfectly healthy now but because of this change could I be in for problems when I get older..diseases etc?

To put my mind at absolute rest have you heard of any youngsters taking steroids before 25 that have permanent moon face/fat deposits over their body like me?

If I have kids will they get this fat deposit/moon face when they're fully developed at 25 like I have across the entire of my body and in the worst areas. Perhaps it can be hereditary now since I took that steroid?

Thanks very much for your help and i'd be grateful if you can answer those questions.
 
Started even younger than 25 and no moonface here either.
This is a 4 page thread now of people telling you to seek professional help from a psychiatrist and don't worry about substances you took 7 years ago.
You aren't still hungover from those beers 7 years ago either, are you?
 
JaylovesDbol said:
don't worry about substances you took 7 years ago.
You aren't still hungover from those beers 7 years ago either, are you?
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Nice photos! Okay I get it! side effects completely gone like an alcoholic drink!

I would be curious to know are the chances of my kids having this permanent moon face a possibility also or is that impossible to tell even with tests?

Have my fat cells just enlarged. Is that it?

It looks like I could be one of the first to have permanent moon face from a steroid under 25 years of age. Iv'e seen no other threads of people with my problems by the looks of it?

Thanks again for all your help
 
and I'm not trying to be an asshole or a smartass either with my post. i want you to ask a male relative of yours to show you a picture of them at 20 and then at 30. you will see they have changes, that is NORMAL!!

you truly have some sort of insecurity and if you want to fix it see a good psychologist. to me it is like a chick who every dude says has perfect tits but who thinks they need a boob job.

keep us updated on this.
 
Im back again...


Is it possible to reverse the aromatizing effects of nandrolone steroid?





I had cosmetic surgery abroad with the one of the best surgeons to suck out the fat all over my body and I now don't look much different.



From research it could be something with the androgen receptor and progesterone receptors may have bound together or something and estrogen as accelerated growth fusion or maybe bone growth?





All your opinions are welcome I'd like to know how I can reverse this if its even possible.

It does seem nandrolone aromatized as soon as I took that steroid. I understand it could be too late too reverse it but its worth try if someone knows any info they can give me.


 
doll32 said:
Im back again...


Is it possible to reverse the aromatizing effects of nandrolone steroid?





I had cosmetic surgery abroad with the one of the best surgeons to suck out the fat all over my body and I now don't look much different.



From research it could be something with the androgen receptor and progesterone receptors may have bound together or something and estrogen as accelerated growth fusion or maybe bone growth?





All your opinions are welcome I'd like to know how I can reverse this if its even possible.

It does seem nandrolone aromatized as soon as I took that steroid. I understand it could be too late too reverse it but its worth try if someone knows any info they can give me.
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Surely you are taking the piss by your posts just to have a laugh or you have mental issues. You look fine.

I am 43 now and look very different now to when I was a young bloke.

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Im deadly serious, I wish I had body image disorder but I do not.


These are the exact ingredients of the steroid that I took which seems that most likely it wasn't pure deca diboldazol or nandrolone. I do realise my endocrine system isnt fully developed until the age of 25 and i was 20 when I took this drug so i could have paid the consequences to have this permanent new look.


I will list the entire ingredients and see what you can make of it.


l-leucine [( 2S ) 2 amino 4 methylpentanoic acid], nettle root extract (urtica dioica), containing 3, 4 divanillyltetrahydrofuran,saw palmetto extract (serenoa repens), containing bis o, [(1-4)-(1 1-6)] a hydroxy phloretin 2-0-glucoside, epicatechin,epiafzelechin, 4 hydroxy benzoic acid, protocatechuic acid, methylgallate,sitosterol and sistosterol 3-0 glucoside,dehydrepiandrosterone (5 androsten-3-beta-hydroxy 17-one,dindolylmethane (3,3- methylenebis - 1H-indole), beta sistosterol ]( 5 stigmasten 3-beta ol )] stigmasterol [5,22-stigma-stadien 3 beta ol)] from phytosterols 90% , ajuga turkestanica extract standardized for ecdysterones containing turkesterone ( 11,20 dihydroxyecdysone) ajugasterone ( 2S,3R,5R,9R,10R,11R,13R,14S,17S)-17-[(2R,3R) 2,3 dihdroxy -6 methylheptan-2-yl] 2,3,11,14 tetra hydroxy,10,13 dimethyl 3,4,5,9,11,12,15,16,17 decahydro, 1H cyclopenta [A] phenanthren-6-one), Cyasterone (2/A,3/A,5/A),22 R, 24s,25s,28r) 2,3,14,20,22 pentahydroxy-26,28 epoxystigmast 7 ene 6,26 dione,adenosine 5 triphosphate disodium (disodium [(2S,3S,4R,5R) 5 (6 aminopurin 9-yl) 3,4 dihodroxyoxolan 2 yl] methoxy hydroxyphosphory, oxy-oxido phosphoryl] hydrogen phospate, carthamus tinctorius seed, containing [(3S, 4S) 4 [3,4 dimeth oxyphenyl) methyl] 3 hydroxy 3 [(methoxy 4 [( 2S, 3R,4S,5R,6R) 3,4,5 trihdroxy 6 ( hydroxymethyl) oxan 2 Y] oxy-phenyl,methyl,oxolan 2 one,forskolin extract, (coleus forskohlii) containing 3R,4aR,5S,6S,6aS,10S,10aR,10bS ,3 ethenyl 6,10,10B trihydroxy- 3,4a,7,7,10a pentamethyl, 1,oxo 5,6,6a,8,9,10, hexahydro 2H benzo [f] chromen 5 yl acetate,piperine (piper nigrum), zinc citrate,

Other ingredients contain gelatin, titanium dioxide,rice flour,magnesium stearate FD&C # Red. Researched by soviet scientist at the institute of the chemistry of plant substances,academy of sciences,republic of Uzbekistan


I had full hormone sex panel done in 2015. It came back fine.



I got blood work done in 2015 ( I haven't taken any steroids since) Here are my results. I had a 24-hour urine collection for adrenaline and non adrenaline, a late night saliva test, low-dose dexamethasone suppression test, prolactin of 147,cortisol 299,testosterone 21, SHBG 36.5, Oestradiol 112, TSH 1.01, T 4 13.6,T3 5.2,FSH 2, LH 4, Creatinine 91, EGFR 87, IGF 22 and normal liver function tests and vitamin D. I also tested negative for cushion's syndrome. I have been ruled out for Acromegaly. endocronologist said I dont need an aldosterone or progesterone test.


My liver was fine. The results are -liver function tests serum-Albumin-serum 40, Total bilibrubin 12- alkaline phosphate serum 66, AST 20, ALT 18, Cholesterol serum 5.6, triglyceride serum 1.9, HDL cholesterol serum 1.20


What was strange was that there was only certain areas the surgeon could liposuction out. As the surgeon said some areas were harder skin instead of soft flappy skin that I had. I explained that this was not muscle to him and I told him it was the steroid that had left me with it permanently.


My face looks a slightly different now as they used a tiny canula to suck out the fat in my lower face and chin. the strange this was that the cosmetic surgeon sucked out the fat on the top of my palm and my foot and hip area which was what the powder steroid I took (2 tablets of deca dibolodazol at age 20) had left me with overnight,however the fat he sucked out didnt remove itself at all and it remains. I have found this very bizarre.

I eat keto diet mostly so its nothing to do with my weight as i weigh less than i was before I took the steroid.

lets just say for example you all give me the benefit of the doubt and the steroid did transform my body which it 100 percent did overnight. I assume there is no way to reverse it and I am stuck with it as no one has any solutions for it?
 
Someone on another forum said my HPTA could haven been effected? is there a solution to this.


(Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Testes-Axis. It all begins with a gland located in your head called the hypothalamus when it releases a measured amount of GnRH (also known as LH-releasing hormone)



Im not trolling and havent got body dismorphia or need to see a psychiatrist.


Ever thought I could be the first victim with this problem having taken this specific drug.


I wouldn't be wasting my energy or your time either.


Okay so Someone on another forum said my HPTA could haven been effected? is there a solution to this.

(Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Testes-Axis. It all begins with a gland located in your head called the hypothalamus when it releases a measured amount of GnRH (also known as LH-releasing hormone)Someone on another forum said my HPTA could haven been effected? is there a solution to this.


(Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Testes-Axis. It all begins with a gland located in your head called the hypothalamus when it releases a measured amount of GnRH (also known as LH-releasing hormone)



Im not trolling and havent got body dismorphia or need to see a psychiatrist.


Ever thought I could be the first victim with this problem having taken this specific drug.


I wouldn't be wasting my energy or your time either.
 
Isn't the only way that we can settle this debate if if I rebuy the tablets and get someone to try the tabs or a mouse test them or something ( not that its really possible)to find out what this drug really does.

I dont think anyone would want to guinea pig themselves to test this drug and I wouldn't blame them but wow do I want to prove to you all that i'm not messing around.
 
Give it up. For any of this to be true others would need to have used the product and had the same issue. Asking again months later is getting to be silly.
 
your entire generation is mentally fucked up. and it is because of all this social media and technology

accept the way you look and move on with life, these doctors are laughing all the way to the bank at how dumb people are who go and see them and enrich them.
 
Hey,

I would like to suggest you some online exercises for chin n moon face. Next thing I will suggest that people need to learn the acceptance of the things which changes as per the age.
 
Hey,

I would like to suggest you some online exercises for chin n moon face. Next thing I will suggest that people need to learn the acceptance of the things which changes as per the age.
 
The steroid you took has nothing to do with this, it would not give you a moon face over night. That is not how this works. It would take weeks for this to happen and its only if you continue to use the steroid that this will happen, because your estrogen will rise with your testosterone rising, which is what gives you a moon face due to holding more water from heightened estrogen levels. Once you stop taking the steroid this will stop happening and you will not have the moon face from holding excess water from heightened estrogen levels.

Now I wrote all this because I didn't see that anyone addressed this from what I read, but in all honesty based on your posts you sound like your a 13 year old kid and not the person in those photos.
 
2RIIPPED said:
The steroid you took has nothing to do with this, it would not give you a moon face over night. That is not how this works. It would take weeks for this to happen and its only if you continue to use the steroid that this will happen, because your estrogen will rise with your testosterone rising, which is what gives you a moon face due to holding more water from heightened estrogen levels. Once you stop taking the steroid this will stop happening and you will not have the moon face from holding excess water from heightened estrogen levels.

Now I wrote all this because I didn't see that anyone addressed this from what I read, but in all honesty based on your posts you sound like your a 13 year old kid and not the person in those photos.
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We ALL said two pills taken one time wouldn't do it. And you say no one else addressed it.
 
Hmm went back to check, this is all I saw from the first 2 pages from the 2nd poster.
"Two weeks would have done nothing permanent to you."

That didn't address what I said, I thought there was a better way of explaining what he may need to know. I also said "From what I read" which was skimming through the posts, someone surely could have said something similar but I felt like it should be explained differently and more concisely.
 
Don't skim then. There's also another thread on it. Have a look now. He's now talking about lumps.
 
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