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[perkele]

13 years of drumming and still so fucking stupid........... I guess your deathmetal band doesn't get the recognition it deserves?


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are you a musician?Do you know what it takes to be a drummer in the slightest?NO,obviouslly not.If you had any skill,talent,or even just the ability to recognize talent,you would at least be able to give props to those drummers who dedicate their lives to perfecting the skill.I've had 13 years, count them 13 years of training on every type of percussion instument you could,excuse me could'nt name.I think with this amount of time,I would be able to spot talent when I see it.Just out of curiosity,what bands do you consider deathmetal?

I've played guitar 22 years and I've played in few jazz/fusion bands during that time so don't start with me. I'm not a drummer myself but I sure know which music style has the most skillful and the most creative players. 13 years is nothing and especially if you're only into heavy/speed/death metal type of music. I know your kind of people and what's their knowledge about music is.

If there really is good drummers in deathmetal (and I mean REALLY good drummers) then you'll find them here:

http://www.drummerworld.com

And if not then shut the fuck up!

 

[sermon_of_mockery]

damn for being so old you sure don't debate well,you are aloud to view your opinion without talking shit you fuck!!And your age does tell me alot about your views,your old,hence your stuck in your era which consisted mostlly of jazz,which in it's day was considered structured.If you look at my original post,you'll see that I do recognize dave weckle,and dennis chambers for their talent.Now I'll ask you again,which bands,or deathmetal drummers have you heard????You should answer wiselly before you make yourself look more like an ass than you already do.

 

[Charvelle]

Perkele, no disrespect to you bro, I'm sure you are a very learned
and excellent musician, however Sermon is correct, alot of the greatest musicians of this generation are in hardcore bands. The
best drummer I've ever heard period is Dave Lombardo, ex-Slayer,
not to mention Ray Herrera from Fear Factory, and yes, he is right
Pete Sandoval from Morbid Angel. For old school guys, don't forget bass player Jeff Bacerra (sp?) from Possessed who fronted(i.e.) played bass & sang for one of the most influential hardcore
bands in history, and he was a senior in high school when they wrapped up recording on Seven Churches.

Let me give my .02 on musicians, and I've been playing for 17 years myself, talented musicians are around in abundance. I know guys who can learn all of Metallica's songs note for note, and sound probably better than Hammett/Hetfield. The only difference in musical talent, that seperates the ones who make
it from the ones who are "bar stars" or who argue about it on an
internet chatboard, is the ability to write songs that people actually WANT to hear !!!! That is the ONLY thing that seperates the men from the boys. Perkele, you, I and Sermon could probably
start a band, and cover other peoples stuff kickass...however none of us would be hear talking about it, if we could write shit that people actually wanted to hear. That's what seperates 17 yr old Jeff Bacerra from ALL of the way more talented bass players and singers out there. He wrote, sang, and played bass on one
of the most influential hardcore albums in history, one that will be
listened to while we are dead and buried for 100 years, one that
hundreds of thousands of people have bought and listened to. Can we say that.....NO, so musically we can't hold any of these
guys jock straps.

To the original point, I do believe that Lombardo, Sandoval & Herrera could learn and play anything in the world they wanted to. I DON'T think that the reverse is true. Neal Pert, Dennis Chambers etc., wouldn't have the intensity it takes to drum Morbid Angel.

 

[sermon_of_mockery]

To the original point, I do believe that Lombardo, Sandoval & Herrera could learn and play anything in the world they wanted to. I DON'T think that the reverse is true. Neal Pert, Dennis Chambers etc., wouldn't have the intensity it takes to drum Morbid Angel.





thats exactly what my next post was going to say.The fact that These "underground" musicians are speculated to have no talent is due to thier popularity it seems.These bands are not easy listening,and this reason alone will distance them from wealth and fame.Most people that hear metal,or even better deathmetal,have a hard time understanding whats going on,and this is because it's so intriquet,and chaotic.Just the fact that perkele stated that they are "unskillful",and "uncreative players",tells me that he is very closed minded,and unable to change with the times.Perkele enlighten yourself and look up some drummers that will blow you away,i.e.....sean rhienert (cynic)......dave culross......(suffocation,malevolent creation).........pete sandoval(morbid angel).......alex marquez(malevolent creation).These are but a few of the drummer that I feel you should at least be able to say "they have talent",they are not popular,but they are fucking drumming machines,with unfathomable creativity.

 

[Charvelle]

Sermon, have you seen Fear Factory live? Herrera was such a
fricking machine, he would just sit up there effortlessly, like he was kicked back having a beer @ the beach, and creating such a massive wall of sound it was just sick. Lombardo, Sandoval etc.,
you could always see the toll physically it was taking on them.
Herrera, looks like he could be smoking a pipe and reading the
Times. Granted F/F didn't play with the speed of Slayer or Morbid
Angel, but he does just as much, if not more double bass work.
He's a big strong guy though, looks like about 6+, 240 range.

 

[sermon_of_mockery]

no I have'nt seen them live,if I had the chance I sure as hell would though.Yeah it's awsome when a drummer can sit back effortleslly and crush the kicks!!Sandovals good and all,but they don't call him pete "the tweak" for nothing

 

[perkele]

damn for being so old you sure don't debate well,you are aloud to view your opinion without talking shit you fuck!!And your age does tell me alot about your views,your old,hence your stuck in your era which consisted mostlly of jazz,which in it's day was considered structured.If you look at my original post,you'll see that I do recognize dave weckle,and dennis chambers for their talent.Now I'll ask you again,which bands,or deathmetal drummers have you heard????You should answer wiselly before you make yourself look more like an ass than you already do.

It's a joke that you ask which deathmetal drummers I've heard when you, the drummer, don't seem to have any idea what kind of drummers guys like Steve Gadd, Louie Bellson, Tony Williams, Billy Cobham, Elvin Jones, Vinnie Colauita are and what they've achieved. Fucking unbelievable.

There's been hundreds of times when I've debated with guys who do believe that Kurt Cobain is a better guitarist than Pat Metheny and nothing what I say will not change their opinion. Welcome to that club!!!

 

[perkele]

Originally posted by Charvelle

"Perkele, no disrespect to you bro, I'm sure you are a very learned and excellent musician, however Sermon is correct, alot of the greatest musicians of this generation are in hardcore bands."

I disagree. Do you think that jazz died in the 70's? No it didn't.

"The best drummer I've ever heard period is Dave Lombardo, ex-Slayer,not to mention Ray Herrera from Fear Factory, and yes, he is right Pete Sandoval from Morbid Angel."

Have you heard any jazz drummers, live? I guess you're not. I would understand if you and the a-hole guy would say that for example Dave Lombardo is the all-time greatest metal drummer. I wouldn't arque with that. That would probably be true. I must say that I'm not a fan of any kind of metal music and to be honest I really don't understand why someone is. Three weeks ago I did watch few minutes of Slayers live concert from TV and I started to laugh. There is absolutely nothing in that kind of music that I would like. Nothing! Feel free to tell me why you do like it.

"Let me give my .02 on musicians, and I've been playing for 17 years myself, talented musicians are around in abundance. I know guys who can learn all of Metallica's songs note for note, and sound probably better than Hammett/Hetfield."

I know too but I know also that those guys won't play any of Paco De Lucia's or Al Di Meola's music note for note. Ever.

".............That's what seperates 17 yr old Jeff Bacerra from ALL of the way more talented bass players and singers out there. He wrote, sang, and played bass on one of the most influential hardcore albums in history, one that will be listened to while we are dead and buried for 100 years, one that hundreds of thousands of people have bought and listened to. Can we say that.....NO, so musically we can't hold any of these guys jock straps."

If hundreds of thousands of people have bought and listened to the most influental hardcore music then do you think that no one will remember Steve Gadd's, Vinnie Colauita's, Jeff Porcaro's music in 2102? These theree guys have played on over 2000 albums in their career and in many different music styles. Over billions of albums sold. Most of them are classic albums and also most influental in history of music.

"To the original point, I do believe that Lombardo, Sandoval & Herrera could learn and play anything in the world they wanted to. I DON'T think that the reverse is true. Neal Peart, Dennis Chambers etc., wouldn't have the intensity it takes to drum Morbid Angel."

LOL! The drummer of Morbid Angel would also laugh for you comment. If "intensity" is what makes good drummer good then we're in right forum. Let's all workout so we'll have the intensity to play 1,5 hour. Who care's if the timing sucks. You guys are hopeless. LOL!

 

[perkele]

Herrera was such a fricking machine, he would just sit up there effortlessly, like he was kicked back having a beer @ the beach, and creating such a massive wall of sound it was just sick. Lombardo, Sandoval etc.,you could always see the toll physically it was taking on them. Herrera, looks like he could be smoking a pipe and reading the Times. Granted F/F didn't play with the speed of Slayer or Morbid Angel, but he does just as much, if not more double bass work. He's a big strong guy though, looks like about 6+, 240 range.

This kind of proves why 99% of Metal fans don't have any idea of music and/or playing.


If I think like you do then it'll go like this:

Maurice Green can sing, I guess cause he runs faster than Luciano Pavarotti then he must also be a better singer.

 

[sermon_of_mockery]

"Perkele, no disrespect to you bro, I'm sure you are a very learned and excellent musician, however Sermon is correct, alot of the greatest musicians of this generation are in hardcore bands."

I disagree. Do you think that jazz died in the 70's? No it didn't.

"The best drummer I've ever heard period is Dave Lombardo, ex-Slayer,not to mention Ray Herrera from Fear Factory, and yes, he is right Pete Sandoval from Morbid Angel."

Have you heard any jazz drummers, live? I guess you're not. I would understand if you and the a-hole guy would say that for example Dave Lombardo is the all-time greatest metal drummer. I wouldn't arque with that. That would probably be true. I must say that I'm not a fan of any kind of metal music and to be honest I really don't understand why someone is. Three weeks ago I did watch few minutes of Slayers live concert from TV and I started to laugh. There is absolutely nothing in that kind of music that I would like. Nothing! Feel free to tell me why you do like it.

"Let me give my .02 on musicians, and I've been playing for 17 years myself, talented musicians are around in abundance. I know guys who can learn all of Metallica's songs note for note, and sound probably better than Hammett/Hetfield."

I know too but I know also that those guys won't play any of Paco De Lucia's or Al Di Meola's music note for note. Ever.

".............That's what seperates 17 yr old Jeff Bacerra from ALL of the way more talented bass players and singers out there. He wrote, sang, and played bass on one of the most influential hardcore albums in history, one that will be listened to while we are dead and buried for 100 years, one that hundreds of thousands of people have bought and listened to. Can we say that.....NO, so musically we can't hold any of these guys jock straps."

If hundreds of thousands of people have bought and listened to the most influental hardcore music then do you think that no one will remember Steve Gadd's, Vinnie Colauita's, Jeff Porcaro's music in 2102? These theree guys have played on over 2000 albums in their career and in many different music styles. Over billions of albums sold. Most of them are classic albums and also most influental in history of music.

"To the original point, I do believe that Lombardo, Sandoval & Herrera could learn and play anything in the world they wanted to. I DON'T think that the reverse is true. Neal Peart, Dennis Chambers etc., wouldn't have the intensity it takes to drum Morbid Angel."

LOL! The drummer of Morbid Angel would also laugh for you comment. If "intensity" is what makes good drummer good then we're in right forum. Let's all workout so we'll have the intensity to play 1,5 hour. Who care's if the timing sucks. You guys are hopeless. LOL!

sorry bro,I was trying to keep this subtle,but you sir are a fucking retard when it comes to drumming knowledge.You don't play drums, why the fuck would you tell me,a drummer who is good,and who is not.I don't go talking shit about the shitty guitarists that you listen to,do I no because I realize it's not my place to say.So when it comes to drums,leave it up to me ok dad!You need to step aside with your love for oldies,and let the new talent take the reighns!!!!the end>>>>>