notpuff said:That look is easier to obtain then you think without roids, allot of protein,cardio and liquidex, liquidex only will rip you up in 4 weeks
i don't see what liquidex should do without steroids use, unless you have an abnormal estrogen level. Besides that i think that some models have great physique, some are just skinny dudes and i don't like them, but some (wich in my opinion juice if they are not genetic phenomenon) have a well proportioned lean body, and are not even that small. Anyhow i think the final word on the need of steroids to attain that kind of phisique is just one: You can attain decent size and even be ripped naturally, if you know how to eat and train. But the HARD androgenic look you get with as, the granite look, is not depending on bf% and size combined, it just can't be attained natural no matter what is the condition of your body. So i think the models who look best, referring to visual impact have to juice.