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Smallguy85

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Ok so since I was 24-25 I had low test levels... One of the numbers I remember from the blood work from my doc's office was 274... This was a legit test and I never ran stuff growing up.. My doc gave me test shot of 300 once a month..

After getting tired of the spikes for a week and then the not so fun drop off for three weeks till my next shot... I decided to give up on it.. Then a trusted source offered me help not too long ago(couple months ago)... I'm currently 28 and my libido is pretty low still.. I do have to admit it's nice to have my lifting pay off once again... I haven't experienced that for a long time up till now.

I know you guys are probably all saying "bull shit this dude didn't have that low of test that young..blah blah blah" but it's a fact.. My body has been aging pretty rapidly since being out of the military. My joints have arthritis and I've been balding since 24. But none the less.. I'm coming to ask all you guys for advice..

I'm currently shooting 250 of cyp once a week and about to start deca.. I'm on arimidex .50 every other morning. Any advice on changes to help out with libido and any advice on doses of the deca, test, and arimidex? Also having some break out issues on shoulders and arms.. I've tried reading up on stuff but I haven't read any cases similar to mine.

Thanks for any help or opinions
 
you need to list your stats.

your question is two different things.. you are asking about HRT from a doc, and then you are asking about running a pretty heavy cycle.

i'm not sure you can ask a question on here without figuring out what you want to do in the first place.

1 blood test isn't everything.. you should have ran more than just 1 before deteriming everything, and not sure what doc you saw who would put you on 1 test shot a month..
 
Ok sorry stats are 250 at 20% body fat 28 years old... I actually had multiple tests all concluding to low test levels.. The doc prescribing the shots was obviously not the smartest hence reason why I stopped going there... My goal is to get test levels straightened out and also to help my joints and ligs out which is why I'm going w deca.. Not too mention I would like to compete in powerlifting meet.. So I guess I have 2 goals.. Get my test levels going and start building muscle.. The purpose of me informing you of naturally low levels is so you guys have an idea of what I'm starting off with.
 
don't run deca for your joints. you are already complaining about libido so why would you run deca? bad choice.. plus at your body fat level deca is a horrendous choice anyway.

if you want to compete in powerlifting you must get your body fat down to make proper weight, otherwise you are wasting your time competing. you don't stand a chance against your peers at 250 who are muscle vs. you being 20% fat. does that make sense? so bottom line is get into proper conditioning and shape before thinking about steroids

if you want to improve your joints then start eating more omega's, nutritious food, krill oil, etc etc. and lessen the weight you are lifting.. that will help your joints

if you started eating better and got into proper shape your test levels would improve a lot. #1 reason for low T at a young age is improper nutrition, there are ample threads about this on here you can look at. so with that lets see your diet.. list your diet and be honest. don't post what you eat once or twice a week or what you plan on eating.. i want to know what you have been eating up till now
 
What's the point of asking what I'm eating right now? Back when my test levels were low I was 220 at 11% diet then was morning protein shake 2 hours later snack of chicken breast and 1/4 cup rice 3 hours later lunch some kind of fresh fruit 8 oz red meat 1/2 sweet potato 3 hours later can of tuna w 2 tbl spns of mayo and other half of sweet potato then gym then protein shake then dinner which usually was steamed veggies a serving of meat and cup of oatmeal w tbl spn of peanut butter or almond butter
 
Smallguy85 said:
What's the point of asking what I'm eating right now? Back when my test levels were low I was 220 at 11% diet then was morning protein shake 2 hours later snack of chicken breast and 1/4 cup rice 3 hours later lunch some kind of fresh fruit 8 oz red meat 1/2 sweet potato 3 hours later can of tuna w 2 tbl spns of mayo and other half of sweet potato then gym then protein shake then dinner which usually was steamed veggies a serving of meat and cup of oatmeal w tbl spn of peanut butter or almond butter
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Because people care, and it sounds like your BF is too high which is why people are asking about your diet


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I didn't mean that question in harsh manner. I was asking to see if you guys are looking for my current diet or the one I was on when I discovered low test levels. You guys gotta spell some things out for me
 
Is your intention to stay on TRT for life, or are you wanting to try to get your body making a normal level? If the latter, then definitely avoid deca. If TRT for life seems inevitable, start reading up on the subject, how best to do it, AI's etc, and perhaps use the deca as a sort of 'blast' phase. It isn't going to do your libido any favours, so you'll want caber of prami (most here prefer caber, but prami does nicely for me....even not on deca, caber or prami can nicely increase your libido)
There is a bit of an obsession here with low bodyfat (most here are bodybuilders), my background is powerlifting, so I understand where you are coming from, though you still will be more competitive if a higher percentage of your weight is muscle, as opposed to fat...to a point....too low bf and strength suffers.
If, on the other hand, you want to try to get your body making more test, definitely avoid the deca, and diet an lifestyle become extremely important.
Actually...diet and lifestyle are important anyways, and currently relevant, to help you get the most of your TRT/cycle/lifting, so best listen to Steve on this, and post up current information, the more the better. (I do sometimes disagree with Steve on things like this, but he genuinely cares, and he is able and willing to help people who are willing to listen)
 
Smallguy85 said:
I didn't mean that question in harsh manner. I was asking to see if you guys are looking for my current diet or the one I was on when I discovered low test levels. You guys gotta spell some things out for me
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here is the thing. if you decide to run a cycle its not gonna make it any easier to improve your T levels long term. so you need to make a choice.. either you are gonna cycle and to hell with your T levels, or you are going to try and recover your T levels naturally and run more bloods to see your progress.

diet, working out, and natural T boosting supplements can improve your T levels .. how much we do not know but that is a smarter option than just giving up at 25 years old

i know you are impatient just like all guys in their 20's, however i like to fix the root problem first.. once that is resolved then cycle all you want.. but if you ignore the root problem it can spell diaster and you would be on HRT before 30 which makes no sense considering you even said you never even used hormones
 
Good deal.... I'm open to suggestions.. Now what stats you guys need to know and how much detail do you want on my current diet? Even weekend cheat meals?
 
Did you get your blood sugar levels tested? Low test can be a symptom of diabetes or pre-diabetes as too much blood sugar can cause T levels to crash quickly...
 
My bet is you are a nutritional train wreck and likely have intestinal pathogens to boot. Did you serve outside the US at all?
 
They checked that stuff and said I was clear of diabetes.. This was 3 years post military... So don't know if mil diet was a factor that late in the game but I cud be wrong
 
Just an FYI to everyone... When I question you, it's not cause I doubt you, I am asking so I can pick up the knowledge and info behind all this, you guys say stuff for a reason cause you have come across something.. Probably something I haven't seen yet so that's why I'm asking. Oh and as soon as I get to work I'll be posting my old diet which I found and I started running this since yesterday but I will also post what my diet looked like for last month... As soon as I get to work
 
Ok so my daily diet contains 3 chicken breast and a lean cut of red meat, raw almonds, grape fruit, oranges, and frozen organic all natural strawberry-blueberry-acai berry mix, avocado, sweet potatoes, rice, plain oatmeal mixed w peanubutter or almond butter, salad w apple cider vinegar and olive oil as dressing, Ezekial bread... Post gym is always optimum nutrition gold standard whey shake and post gym dinner usually has simple carb like dinner roll or Italian bread w butter.. I occasionally substitute one of my chicken meals w can of white albacore mixed w real mayo... Obviously I use all these things to make different daily combos... As for reason I went into doc in first place was from 23 to 25 I had gradually lower energy.. I getting more and more moody and depressed for no reason and dragging myself out of bed in the morning... I felt like a zombie even after 8 hours of sleep and obviously my libido was decreasing.... No matter how much time I spent in the gym my lifts were barely increasing if at all... After starting the shots I started feeling alive again.
 
Oh I forgot steamed veggies and hard boiled eggs or an occasional omelet... Now as for diet last 6 months that got me to 250 at 20%.... Well pretty much same meats and veggies and fruits but throw in ice cream and donuts for post gym desert every night and BAM!
 
Once again, your symptoms are indicative of nutritional deficiencies and/or intestinal pathogens which in turn can have a direct impact on nutritional deficiencies.

Nutritional deficiencies are not just about protein, cabrs and fats, its also not just about micro nutrients either. Its about detoxifying and having the right nutrients for your particular needs to overcome your particular problems. Seems like every week this comes up, someone eats a decent diet but still has all these issues. Its not normal to feel arthritic and have hormones out of whack at your age. You can simply try and mask the sides for a time with drugs or you can try and address the underlying problem. The choice is yours.
 
Ok so what are you suggesting? Keep in mind I have worked labor intensive jobs since 14... That plus genes is what I figured the arthritis was from
 
Zyglamail said:
Once again, your symptoms are indicative of nutritional deficiencies and/or intestinal pathogens which in turn can have a direct impact on nutritional deficiencies.

Nutritional deficiencies are not just about protein, cabrs and fats, its also not just about micro nutrients either. Its about detoxifying and having the right nutrients for your particular needs to overcome your particular problems. Seems like every week this comes up, someone eats a decent diet but still has all these issues. Its not normal to feel arthritic and have hormones out of whack at your age. You can simply try and mask the sides for a time with drugs or you can try and address the underlying problem. The choice is yours.
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in bold.. the sad thing is that its becoming normal to be not normal.

i bet there are millions of guys like the OP in this country.
 
I'm assuming you guys have diets that are keeping you test levels in line with out test inj? What are your levels at that you guys have the physiques and muscle bound bodies you guys are able to keep?
 
Smallguy85 said:
And if it's a nutritional issue.... Why is everyone else in my age eating roughly same diet not having same issues?
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And if you throw 10 people in a room where one has the flu, why doesnt everyone get the flu?

There are so many factors that its mind boggling! Genetics, toxic exposure, oxidative stress.

Spend some time on google and look up any nutritional deficiency, how come there is a laundry list of symptoms for each one? BECAUSE EVERYONE RESPONDS DIFFERENTLY!

Athlete place more rigorous demands on their bodies than the average joe, this creates additional stress which requires additional nutrients which can somewhat be generalized but are also affected by an individuals genetics.

Additionally spend some time googling intestinal pathogens and look at that laundry list of symptoms, you will likely see some eye opening statistics about the percentage of people who have them as well.

If you dont want to believe me, thats fine. Docs have student loans to pay off and kids to put through college and a mercedes payment, they love people who stick their head in the sand. Best of luck.
 
Smallguy85 said:
And if it's a nutritional issue.... Why is everyone else in my age eating roughly same diet not having same issues?
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who said they weren't?

you gotta remember how many of your peers actually run bloodwork.. its less than 1/10th of 1%.

a buddy of mine grew up on a vegetable farm and ate nothing but fresh eggs, veggies, fruits, meats, etc. the dude barely trains and he can run a sub 20 minute 5K. so its not the nutrition you have now necessarily, its what you grew up on .
 
Smallguy85 said:
Great so I'm f***** then.... Is the damage done by pre teen poor nutrition reverseable?
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It depends.

I suffered joint damage due to malnutrition when I was an infant. It haunted me for years. I have permanent reduction in mobility of a couple joints due to it.

deficiencies dont just manifest in acute symptoms out of no where. There is usually a slow and gradual deterioration over months or years.

Cardiovascular disease is a perfect example. Its almost totally preventable and reversible but is the worlds #1 killer. People who dont address the underlying nutritional deficiencies WILL get cardiovascular disease. Some have heart attacks, bypasses etc in their early 40's others in their 60's but its all because of a life long nutritional deficit.
 
Im 20 and my level of t is 259 with free at 8 , 6'4 225 15% bf , lived in a wealthy family eating healthy food growing up and that jack wagon gygla or whatever keeps blaming it on nutrition.
Ill be honest its part nutrition but more so toxins humans grow more and more exposed to as our society pollutes everything... go on trt and lift ane live happy, changing your nutrient intake may help raise it a 100 points or 2 but in reality... you and I are fucked so might as well go on trt and live life to the fullest because in the end, the only way were going to run out of synthetic test is if the world comes to an end and all chaos breaks loose and at that point why be alive anyway? Lol

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Crazy Barbarian said:
lived in a wealthy family eating healthy food growing up and that jack wagon gygla or whatever keeps blaming it on nutrition.
Ill be honest its part nutrition but more so toxins humans grow more and more exposed to as our society pollutes everything.
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And how the fuck do you think your body deals with toxins and oxidative stress?? With nutrients!

Aside from a few genetic defects, all disease can be attributed to the body not having what it needs for optimal operation.

Fucking kids today really are clueless.

Since you know it all and trust the labs so much and dont think you have any deficiencies, prove me wrong. Take an iodine loading test and get back to us with the results, or how about an RBC magnesium test. Perhaps an amino acid profile panel from a respected lab like Geneva.
 
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Zyglamail said:
And how the fuck do you think your body deals with toxins and oxidative stress?? With nutrients!

Aside from a few genetic defects, all disease can be attributed to the body not having what it needs for optimal operation.

Fucking kids today really are clueless.
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Yep I'll have to admit my generation is pretty damn lazy and fearful of life's daily pains so they take easy path out and go get meds .... And no offense if there are docs on here but I don't trust docs for shit which is why I'm on here asking questions
 
Smallguy85 said:
Just a question zyglamail do you follow "caveman" diets or blood type diets at all ?
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No, generally speaking I think they limit food choices too much and in many ways can exacerbate nutritional deficiencies.

They work well for many people and im not against them but people simply have to be aware of the nutritional shortcomings they impose and supplement accordingly.

Its nearly impossible nowadays (with poor food quality and excessive toxin exposure) to get what we need from food alone.
 
It seems there is ALOT of controversy on the quality of common supp companies out there... You have a particular supp line you like to use?
 
consumerlab is an org that tests supplements, well worth the subscription. That being said I generally use now brand, but some things they just dont make.
 
I love now... Partially cause they are close to where I live but more importantly their ideology behind their products is attractive
 
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