Lets debate this... Just How Much does it Take to Knock somebody out? ? ?

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

I would pick accuracy over power. Although there is usually a higher percentage of knockouts in the heavier boxing weights, I assume accuracy to be equal with the lower weights in terms of power shots. I'm not possitive about that statistic. The champ with the current highest KO percentage, I think, is some Brazilian guy from one of the light weight classes.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Yes... there are more knockouts at the higher weight classes, some of it has to do with power, a lot of it has to do with conditioning....

The real deal profesional way to fight is to protect your chin at all times even when you are throwing a punch.... not just by keeping your hands up, but by body posture as well... When you throw a freaking Jab your chin should be tucked in and your shoulder(arm throwing the punch) almost touching your earlobe... The whole fight your chin should be touching your chest and your traps almost shrugged, even while being offensive and throwing punches your chin should be tucked in..... Your shoulder should cover your chin when your glove has to leave its(chin) side to hit the opponent...
Fighting this way takes a lot of conditioning, and it takes a toll on your energy bank.... The heavier guys get tired faster than the lighter guys. It takes more energy to keep some 18-20inch arms up than it does a pair of 12-14inch arms. If you watch a heavy weight fight and a light weight fight, you will notice the heavier guys will begin to leave more openings as the fight goes on, while the lighter guys will maintain a good tight guard even into the later rounds...

My theory is that most of the heavier guys will leave more openings during a fight, thus creating more opportunities for a knock out... The lighter guys have an easier time maintaining a tight guard thru the fight, thus creating less opening for a knockout.. YES, Power is a BIG issue, but I think opportunity of shot placements play a bigger roll.

This is just my opinion, I could be wrong, and I'm open to debate.....

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

As we touched on in the sucker punch thread in chat,the most violent KO's don't necessarily come from the hardest IMPACT,but rather from target placement(side of chin,temple)and punching THROUGH it,which twists the head quickly.This actually causes the cranium to rotate slightly around the brain,which results in the CNS short circuiting.
Pay attention to a lot of the fighters that never go down,you'll notice that their chin usually is literally stuck on their chests,so it's very difficult for an opponent to get that shot in that jolts their cranium.
Good discussion BRR.

 

[MAX 300]

How to make a person loose consciousness when you are fighting them.

There are two distinct ways of doing this.

1. Cut off the oxygen supply to their brain.
2. Cause trauma to their head.

I suppose a third way would be to cause massive trauma to another part of their body, such as severing a limb, gunshot wound or other causing another severe injury. But that aside, knocking somebody out usually involves either of the first 2 methods.

Method 1 can be achieved with a choke hold, knife hand strike to the jugulars or a similar attack to the blood supply to the brain. In my opinion this is the most reliable way of rendering somebody unconscious.

For example, if a BJJ fighter is able to apply a choke hold on his opponent, providing that the opponent does not tap out first, he will generally be able to render his opponent unconscious very quickly.

Method 2 is much less reliable, firstly different people apparently are affected differently by heavy blows to the same area of the head. Secondly, such a blow will cause loss of consciousness by rattling/damaging the brain, causing neurons to misfire or not to work at all. This is a very unpredictable effect.

Over the years I have found the following factors pertaining to method 2:

The amount of superficial tissue damage caused by a blow to the head/face is irrelevant to any tissue damage or trauma to the brain itself, and thus irrelevant to rendering the person unconscious.

A blow to the head will cause more brain tissue damage/trauma at the other side of the head than at the point of impact. IE, a strike to the front will cause the head to rock back, the brain to collide with the back of the skull and therefore cause more damage/trauma to the brain at the back of the head.

Round strikes, hooks, strikes to the temple, side of the jaw, or any other attacks that cause the head and brain to be shaken sideways are much more likely to cause the damage/trauma required to knock a person out.

The ability for the person being struck to keep his head still and from being rocked or shook will greatly affect the possibility of them being knocked unconscious. Therefore, having strong neck muscles (like Mike Tyson for example) greatly reduces your chance to be KO'ed through a blow to the head, because it allows one to absorb these blows without the head/brain being rocked too hard.

Concluding, I would say - the most reliable way to render somebody unconscious is to interrupt their blood supply to the brain. IE: a properly applied choke hold. Boxers or stand-up fighters usually have to hit each other in the head many times before one of those hits is able to cause a KO.

Method 3 - controversial. Rendering somebody unconscious by attacking nerves on their body.

This idea was first brought up by Dillman and the Kyushojutsu section of MA. If you want to discuss Kyushojutsu and/or Dillman I'd be happy to do so, but that will require a whole new thread and a lot more of my time.

 

[Fat_Sumo]

For me it always the ones that I don't see, when I am boxing I can take so real hard shots when I am ready for them, but its the one's that I never saw coming that really ring my bell!

 

[illusionofsize]

Excellent thread BRR.
I have nothing really to add as I agrre with both power and placement as well as chokes being effective as well.

I just wanted to share.
I saw Johnny Tapia knock a guy out with a shot(left hook) to the solar plexus(or syphoid process).. First time I had ever seen a guy knocked out with a body shot. I'm assuming it's becasue he couldn't breathe due to the contracted syphoid.
I was amazed. Didn't know it could be done.
About a year later a partner got me with a twist kick in the same place. I can now relate.

 

[coverguy]

Placement is key.

If you connect in either the Temple (could cause a lot of damage) or where the jaw bone connects to the skull (with a little bit of downward force) you will normally score a knockout.

Don't get me wrong, sheer power can most definitely turn someone's lights out, but it isn't needed.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

I don't understand the description of the cross-leg stance on that website listed, Shadow. Anyone care to explain?

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I don't understand the description of the cross-leg stance on that website listed, Shadow. Anyone care to explain?

I skimed over some of the stuff on that link... I closed the page when I read something about throwing punches from waist level... I wouldn't pay too much attention to the stuff on there if I were you.

 

[manny78]

What do you guys think? How easy is it to turn somebody's lights out? how much power is needed?

Some guys seem to think a ton of power is needed, I think that placement of the strike is key... what do you guys think?

Placement is everything. I've seen guys getting killed or sent coma with one punch while others were beaten big time and could still walk and find their way home. That's why one of the first thing you'd learn as a LEO was placement: hitting someone and not be responsible of a 5M$ lawsuit.