ketosis (fishing for some encouragement)

[Joe Portale]

Hello folks...was wondering if someone could give me some
insight on this.

Background: former lifter, stopped in my late twenties or
early thirties, now in my middle forties. GOT FAT!!! Not a
bit of a pot, I got fat. I was never small, I always was
big. But that was from lifting and sports. My weight as of a
month ago was 305 of jiggling middle age.

Bit the bullet, woke up and back to the gym I go. Things
have changed some. Things have changed in philosophies
concerning working out. I decided it was best to have
someone train me, luckily my neighbor offered to be my
trainer, body builder former Mr. Texas.

First, let state up front, I trust him completely and placed
myself in his hands. Now, the questions. He has me on eating
six time a day. Limited carbs to 150 per day. This comes in
the form of one cup uncooked white rice broken evenly over
the six meals. (cooked of course) And, six ounces of protein
per meal (meat, chicken of fish), no fats, other starches or
sugar...period. I drink at least a gallon of water per say.
He keeps telling me that I will hit a state of ketosis and
the weight will start to drop. I know the physical signs of
ketosis, but am wondering how long does it take to reach
this state? I know that is will take time, but like everyone
else, impatience sets in. Currently my training routine is
cardio on the stationary bike half and hour twice a day and
weights twice a week. This will be modified next week to
three day weight training and keep the cardio the same.

Currently I do not know what my weight is. I refuse to get
on the scale for another couple of weeks. Checking weight
every day is an exercise in frustration. There is no doubt
that something is happening, but I don't see the El Dorado
of ketosis setting in.

PS it really feels good to get back to working out again.

 

[Mistress Krista]

"Joe Portale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
  > Hello folks...was wondering if someone could give me some
  > insight on this.
  >
  > Background: former lifter, stopped in my late twenties or
  > early thirties, now in my middle forties. GOT FAT!!! Not a
  > bit of a pot, I got fat. I was never small, I always was
  > big. But that was from lifting and sports. My weight as of
  > a month ago was 305 of jiggling middle age.
  >
  > Bit the bullet, woke up and back to the gym I go. Things
  > have changed
some.
  > Things have changed in philosophies concerning working
  > out. I decided it
was
  > best to have someone train me, luckily my neighbor offered
  > to be my
trainer,
  > body builder former Mr. Texas.
  >
  > First, let state up front, I trust him completely and
  > placed myself in his hands. Now, the questions. He has me
  > on eating six time a day. Limited
carbs
  > to 150 per day. This comes in the form of one cup uncooked
  > white rice
broken
  > evenly over the six meals. (cooked of course) And, six
  > ounces of protein
per
  > meal (meat, chicken of fish), no fats, other starches or
  > sugar...period.
I
  > drink at least a gallon of water per say. He keeps telling
  > me that I will hit a state of ketosis and the weight will
  > start to drop.

Not with a cup of white rice a day. Beginners need far fewer
carbs than that to hit ketosis. But the real questions are:
has he explained to you why you want to be in ketosis? And
what effect this will have on your weight training? Both of
these are important and you should ask him to explain his
rationale ASAP.

A keto diet, most likely a cyclical keto diet, may indeed
be appropriate for you if you adapt it properly. It's not
magic but it does work well for some folks. Why not pick up
a copy of Lyle McDonald's book The Ketogenic Diet? If
you're in this for the long haul it wouldn't hurt you to
read up on it.

Krista

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[Scott The Rmt]

"> First, let state up front, I trust him completely and
placed myself in his
  > hands. Now, the questions. He has me on eating six time a
  > day. Limited
carbs
  > to 150 per day. This comes in the form of one cup uncooked
  > white rice
broken
  > evenly over the six meals. (cooked of course) And, six
  > ounces of protein
per
  > meal (meat, chicken of fish), no fats, other starches or
  > sugar...period.
I
  > drink at least a gallon of water per say. He keeps telling
  > me that I will hit a state of ketosis and the weight will
  > start to drop. I know the physical signs of ketosis, but
  > am wondering how long does it take to reach this state? I
  > know that is will take time, but like everyone else,
  > impatience sets in. Currently my training routine is
  > cardio on the stationary bike half and hour twice a day
  > and weights twice a week. This will be modified next week
  > to three day weight training and keep the
cardio
  > the same.

A cup of uncooked rice is 150 GRAMS of carbohydrate - about
600 calories. You will never, ever enter ketosis eating that
much rice.

 

[Dale J]

Couple things I remember hearing about CKD (correct me if
I'm wrong):

1) The actually state of Ketosis does not make you shed fat,
when you first enter ketosis you will drop a couple
pounds but that will mainly be water weight.
2) A Ketogenic diet will not result in fat loss unless it is
restricted in calories! It seems to me that your neighbor
thinks otherwise.
3) In my experiance Ketosis did not result in MORE fat loss
than say an isocaloric diet. Both shed the same amount of
fat as long as you do refeeds, actually in my experiance
the isocaloric diet worked somewhat better than the CKD.
4) So what's the point of doing CKD? Well...
a) It is much easier to stick to mentally. Knowing that
one mistake on the CKD will result in a loss of
Ketosis is a very good motivator.
b) a CKD will blunt your hunger like you wouldn't
believe. Sometimes I would force myself to eat.
c) It gives you a chance to eat all the foods you
normally can't get away with like red meat and
saaausage.

Well that's all for now. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong. I
would ask your trainer guy about refeed days and glycogen.
If he has no idea what you're talking about than it's best
you not take any nutritional advice from him. You won't be
able to enter ketosis and workout without refeeds.

"Joe Portale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
  > Hello folks...was wondering if someone could give me some
  > insight on this.
  >
  > Background: former lifter, stopped in my late twenties or
  > early thirties, now in my middle forties. GOT FAT!!! Not a
  > bit of a pot, I got fat. I was never small, I always was
  > big. But that was from lifting and sports. My weight as of
  > a month ago was 305 of jiggling middle age.
  >
  > Bit the bullet, woke up and back to the gym I go. Things
  > have changed
some.
  > Things have changed in philosophies concerning working
  > out. I decided it
was
  > best to have someone train me, luckily my neighbor offered
  > to be my
trainer,
  > body builder former Mr. Texas.
  >
  > First, let state up front, I trust him completely and
  > placed myself in his hands. Now, the questions. He has me
  > on eating six time a day. Limited
carbs
  > to 150 per day. This comes in the form of one cup uncooked
  > white rice
broken
  > evenly over the six meals. (cooked of course) And, six
  > ounces of protein
per
  > meal (meat, chicken of fish), no fats, other starches or
  > sugar...period.
I
  > drink at least a gallon of water per say. He keeps telling
  > me that I will hit a state of ketosis and the weight will
  > start to drop. I know the physical signs of ketosis, but
  > am wondering how long does it take to reach this state? I
  > know that is will take time, but like everyone else,
  > impatience sets in. Currently my training routine is
  > cardio on the stationary bike half and hour twice a day
  > and weights twice a week. This will be modified next week
  > to three day weight training and keep the
cardio
  > the same.
  >
  > Currently I do not know what my weight is. I refuse to get
  > on the scale
for
  > another couple of weeks. Checking weight every day is an
  > exercise in frustration. There is no doubt that something
  > is happening, but I don't
see
  > the El Dorado of ketosis setting in.
  >
  > PS it really feels good to get back to working out again.
  >

 

[Melvin Gann]

It takes about 10 days to get into the ketosis state when
consuming around 20 carbs a day. You can not cheat on a low
carb diet because you will be set back a week to 10 days, I
know from experience. Go to your local pharmacy and get a
bottle of "Keto-Diastix" strips for urinalysis testing. When
you start turning the stick purple you are in the state of
ketosis. When it turns dark purple you don't have to use the
scales to see if you are loosing weight, because you most
definitely are.

I have lost 77 pounds to get to my goal using the Dr. Atkins
low carb diet. I have added about 25 carbs a day now and am
able to keep off the weight. If I go over fifty carbs a day
I start putting it back on. I know that doesn't sound like
much but it is enough and you want be hungry on this diet.

Stay away from sugar and flour. They are the worst things
for you.. The diet is a way of life for me now and I feel
great. The other guys are right, you will never get to the
state of Ketosis while eating 150 carbs a day.

Be sure and take the best multiple vitamin you can find and
essential oils every day.

"Joe Portale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
  > Hello folks...was wondering if someone could give me some
  > insight on this.
  >
  > Background: former lifter, stopped in my late twenties or
  > early thirties, now in my middle forties. GOT FAT!!! Not a
  > bit of a pot, I got fat. I was never small, I always was
  > big. But that was from lifting and sports. My weight as of
  > a month ago was 305 of jiggling middle age.
  >
  > Bit the bullet, woke up and back to the gym I go. Things
  > have changed
some.
  > Things have changed in philosophies concerning working
  > out. I decided it
was
  > best to have someone train me, luckily my neighbor offered
  > to be my
trainer,
  > body builder former Mr. Texas.
  >
  > First, let state up front, I trust him completely and
  > placed myself in his hands. Now, the questions. He has me
  > on eating six time a day. Limited
carbs
  > to 150 per day. This comes in the form of one cup uncooked
  > white rice
broken
  > evenly over the six meals. (cooked of course) And, six
  > ounces of protein
per
  > meal (meat, chicken of fish), no fats, other starches or
  > sugar...period.
I
  > drink at least a gallon of water per say. He keeps telling
  > me that I will hit a state of ketosis and the weight will
  > start to drop. I know the physical signs of ketosis, but
  > am wondering how long does it take to reach this state? I
  > know that is will take time, but like everyone else,
  > impatience sets in. Currently my training routine is
  > cardio on the stationary bike half and hour twice a day
  > and weights twice a week. This will be modified next week
  > to three day weight training and keep the
cardio
  > the same.
  >
  > Currently I do not know what my weight is. I refuse to get
  > on the scale
for
  > another couple of weeks. Checking weight every day is an
  > exercise in frustration. There is no doubt that something
  > is happening, but I don't
see
  > the El Dorado of ketosis setting in.
  >
  > PS it really feels good to get back to working out again.

 

[Robert Schuh]

Dale J wrote:

  > Couple things I remember hearing about CKD (correct me if
  > I'm wrong):
  >
  > 1) The actually state of Ketosis does not make you shed
  > fat, when you first enter ketosis you will drop a
  > couple pounds but that will mainly be water weight.

At the beginning, yes.

  >
  > 2) A Ketogenic diet will not result in fat loss unless it
  > is restricted in calories! It seems to me that your
  > neighbor thinks otherwise.

Yes, calories are the key no matter what.

  >
  > 3) In my experiance Ketosis did not result in MORE fat
  > loss than say an isocaloric diet. Both shed the same
  > amount of fat as long as you do refeeds, actually in my
  > experiance the isocaloric diet worked somewhat better
  > than the CKD.

EVERYONE is different, but this is a good idea.

  >
  > 4) So what's the point of doing CKD? Well...
  > a) It is much easier to stick to mentally. Knowing
  > that one mistake on the CKD will result in a loss
  > of Ketosis is a very good motivator.
  > b) a CKD will blunt your hunger like you wouldn't
  > believe. Sometimes I would force myself to eat.
  > c) It gives you a chance to eat all the foods you
  > normally can't get away with like red meat and
  > saaausage.

There are plenty of lean red meat sources. I am not sure
about any lean sausage though!

  >
  >
  > Well that's all for now. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong. I
  > would ask your trainer guy about refeed days and glycogen.
  > If he has no idea what you're talking about than it's best
  > you not take any nutritional advice from him. You won't be
  > able to enter ketosis and workout without refeeds.
  >
  >

If you take in a moderate amount of low GI carbs all the
time, a "refeed" is not really needed.

--
Robert Schuh "Everything that elevates an individual above
the herd and intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called
evil; and the fair, modest, submissive and conforming
mentality, the mediocrity of desires attains moral
designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa