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ketogenic diets- advice please

I agree w/Mattdan.

Keto diets are hard for some people because they do not fully commit. Honestly for me it was always best when I was at almost ZERO carbs. Also people aren't honest with themselves about stuff like diet soda and whatnot, and will unwittingly fuck with their own ketosis. Diet soda and anything with citric acid is actually WORSE than a small amount of carbs. And BBQ sauce, depending on the type may have 1-3 grams of carbs which to be honest doesn't have much of an effect, I mean I use mayonnaise which has corn syrup, ketchup which has sugar, lots of things during ketosis that have almost no effect.

I dont know what it is about cheese, it has almost no carbs but something about it just seems to make ketosis harder, that being said I include a decent amount of cheese of the full fat variety.

and RED MEAT is THE BEST FOOD for ketosis. (eggs and bacon are probably the two second best, my breakfast everymorning is 4 sunny-side up eggs and 4 strips of bacon) Cheap 77/23 ground beef will never treat you wrong in ketosis. get your fill. I have spent a lot of time monitoring my levels and what effects various meals have on them. Best way to trick out your ketosis is to skip a meal, then eat a hamburger (no bun of course) in fact Hardee's (Carl's Jr.) low-carb burgers (it's a burger with everything but the bun) are perfect if you are out of the house. Basically you get your body calorie deprived, throw all these fats at it, it reacts by breaking them down and carries that on until you start to eat carbs again. I use this method to get in the deep purple (+160mg/dl) on the ketostix. Granted you should probably stay somewhere in the middle pink or light purple area.

And for people who aren't energetic in the gym, you can get over this, eat red meat before you work out, make sure you get some water and just push yourself. You'd be surprised. I've even broken PR's while in ketosis. It is downright effective if you know what you're doing.

Listen to your body, when you eat too much carbs or eat too fast acting of carbs in the wrong context you will know it because you will feel lethargic, then as you switch back you get a nauseous headache shit feeling that fades for me in about an hour. You will know when you are breaking ketosis and when you are reentering. The worst experience I ever had during ketosis was taking a fiber supp (metamucil) afterwords i read the label, it has citric acid, aspartame, and maltodextrin listed as ingredients, i thought I was going to pass out. once again Artificial sweeteners, citric acid, and the like are the absolute worst things you can put in your body during ketosis IMO. If you take fiber supps, make sure these aren't included, personally I never needed them, but took them as precaution only, I no longer do.

TKD's this is really true as you will break ketosis or at least severely reduce it when you drink your PWO carbs, then it can be rough as your body switches back, something you just get used to though, I do recommend TKD completely as it gives you plenty of power for heavy lifts (at least for your major lifts at the beginning of your workouts).

All of that being said, keto is not necessary, you can get ripped on any reduced calorie diet (esp. if you're using anabolic androgenic steroids, T3, and Clenbuterol ;) ), but for me its about five hundred times more enjoyable and easier than any conventional diet that leaves you starving and fantasizing about your next meal, especially when raw unprocessed carbs are not the mainstream, but ground beef is plentiful. Plus you may find no need for any fat burning supps, thermogenics, eca - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin or any of that crap which so many people end up resorting to when they could just do keto.

Eat foods that most calories come from fat and drink water. less than 20g carbs (as close to zero as you can get). No diet soda. Tea or coffee is fine (not the shit you buy in the store, i mean real tea like the brits drink and BLACK COFFEE.) but you might find you don't even need caffeine because of all the extra energy you have.

Sorry that was long. It's this damn ketosis gives me all this focus and energy!

ps. keto diets have been shown to improve blood lipid profiles when healthy fats are consumed, have been used by the medical community for years to control epilepsy symptoms (often having a permanent curative effect) and are being studied currently for their anti-depressant effects.
 
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masterpp said:
im eating a good sized steak every day, plenty of italian ham with the fat left on, and then lots of fish all covered in extra virgin olive oil.

however, the only real source of fat i am getting is the olive oil. i stopped doing the cheese and cream style stuff as i thought it would be too calorific or would impede ketosis due to the lactase.

I dont see how you are concluding that you only get the fat from the olive oil. Steak is plenty fatty (depending on the cut), ham is plenty fatty, many types of fish are fatty.

Fat has 9 calories per gram, carbs and pro only have 4, it must only be the largest constituent on a calorie basis, not by raw material. For example 75/25 ground beef even though it is 75% lean meat and 25% fat still gets 60% of its calories from fat.
 
so if i upped my red meat, i woudlnt need to go crazy on the cheese then to get my fat content.

cheers (or should i say cheese)

10001110101 said:
I dont see how you are concluding that you only get the fat from the olive oil. Steak is plenty fatty (depending on the cut), ham is plenty fatty, many types of fish are fatty.

Fat has 9 calories per gram, carbs and pro only have 4, it must only be the largest constituent on a calorie basis, not by raw material. For example 75/25 ground beef even though it is 75% lean meat and 25% fat still gets 60% of its calories from fat.
 
mattdan said:
Keto works
best for people who are *not* working out. The average chump is not fat because of carbs but because of excess carbs. And carbs can induce overeating, sugar cravings, and the body is very efficient in converting glucose into fat. Eliminating the carbs can help to regain a normal appetite. Who has ever heard of protein cravings?

For bodybuilders ketosis happens on its own after an intense workout if you just limit your carbs somewhat. Here low carb is fine for dieting but ketosis is unnecessary.

Testing for ketosis with urine stripes is helpful to those who never heard of carbs and protein and fat before. Most people have no clue. If they do Atkins and use this test stripes they get feedback about how well they are doing in being able to know which food contains carbs. It however does not indiciate that you are actually losing fat.
 
10001110101 said:
I dont see how you are concluding that you only get the fat from the olive oil. Steak is plenty fatty (depending on the cut), ham is plenty fatty, many types of fish are fatty.

Fat has 9 calories per gram, carbs and pro only have 4, it must only be the largest constituent on a calorie basis, not by raw material. For example 75/25 ground beef even though it is 75% lean meat and 25% fat still gets 60% of its calories from fat.

mate that is really helpful- i assumed that most meat and protein was lean, ie protein, unless it was clearly fatty or had marbling.

so what is the fat content of something like smoked salmon.

these are the kinds of things i like to eat

steak
italian smoked ham
chicken
tuna

salad with olive oil

full fat italian mozzarella
cheddar cheese
cream cheese

is this enough stuff with a high fat content

cheers
 
one more thing dude, what are your thoughts on caffeine, as in an espresso

will it effect ketosis

also alchohol, if its zero carbs, is it ok to have the odd drink of vodka (even though it will slightly impede weightloss as it gets broken down first) will it effect the state of ketosis

cheers
 
i suggest going somewhere like nutritiondata.com anytime you have a query about nutrition content of what you're eating, after a few checks you'll have a pretty good idea about the basic foods and what they're composed of, which is knowledge you'll carry into the rest of your life and will improve your eating permanently, as you'll know what's in your food without having to look at a nutrition chart.

i would stay away from high doses of caffeine such as in espresso, but it's something i haven't really tested too much in personal experience, try it out, see how you feel, caffeine can affect your metabolism and could possibly cause hypoglycemia and rebound cravings for sugar (i'm not 100 percent sure about this, so see how it works for you)

the problem with alcohol is that it almost always contains carbs (even vodka) and to be honest you might get proper pissed off a drink or two, sometimes drinking in ketosis i tend to act irresponsibly as if i'm a different person, but sometimes i'm fine, these are just my experiences so you need to figure out what works for you. I will tell you this, every time i drank in ketosis i felt like i wasted an entire day or two of dieting, it adversely effects your lipolysis for an extended period of time because of the extensive processing that alcohol goes through in your liver. i dunno, i stay away from the sauce on keto...

this is probably the worst part about keto to me, generally what i do is give myself one day/night every week where i drink a little and have some carbs just to act like a normal sociable person, it helps keep you sane and makes you not seem like a wacko on some crazy diet to your friends and family. for example last keto for me fell on the fourth of july and i had a hamburger a few beers and a bourbon and coke (not diet) i got pretty sloshed i think mostly from the crazy insulin ups and downs from what i was doing but it was good to keep me in the real world i suppose.
 
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