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Hopefully not. Stalking and profiling should not be rewarded

Rewarded?

Not that I feel bad for the guy, but he has gone through hell for this.


There's plenty of reasonable doubt in this case, which is why he'll walk.

Given the tons of bloody lumps on the guy's skull after 3 minutes of getting his ass whooped, he was justified in pulling the trigger to save his life. The part that will remain unknown is whether Trayvon stated the physical part of the altercation.

Either way, that is absolutely not 2nd degree murder.
 
Either way, that is absolutely not 2nd degree murder.

Could (should) be manslaughter. Im concerned about the precedent it would set if he was found not guilty.

One question folks arent asking is why does Florida's SYG law not apply to Martin as well? Im sure he felt his life was in just as much danger (if not more) as Zimmerman claimed he was.
 
Could (should) be manslaughter. Im concerned about the precedent it would set if he was found not guilty.

One question folks arent asking is why does Florida's SYG law not apply to Martin as well? Im sure he felt his life was in just as much danger (if not more) as Zimmerman claimed he was.

Cuz martin aint the one with the beat up head. And since he doesnt have a time machine we know the beating on zimmermans head had to happen before martin got shot
 
Yeah good call. Martin just has a bullet hole.
 
Yeah good call. Martin just has a bullet hole.

If someone believes there is an "imminent threat of bodily harm or death" then they just might put a bullet hole in that person. The other person doesnt have to have a gun they just have to present that threat in the mind of an RPM (reasonably prudent man).
Thats the law rob, dont have the player hate the game
 
If someone believes there is an "imminent threat of bodily harm or death" then they just might put a bullet hole in that person. The other person doesnt have to have a gun they just have to present that threat in the mind of an RPM (reasonably prudent man).
Thats the law rob, dont have the player hate the game

Indeed, but the fact that Zimmerman pursued him doesnt make this as cut and dry as you may like dontchathink?
 
Indeed, but the fact that Zimmerman pursued him doesnt make this as cut and dry as you may like dontchathink?

I never said it was cut and dry slam dunk, i only said i think he will walk
 
I never said it was cut and dry slam dunk, i only said i think he will walk

Wouldnt be surprised, but Im 60/40 thinking itll be guilty of manslaughter.
 
Yes, the jury is able to convict him of a lesser charge (manslaughter) if they believe there is enough evidence to support that instead of murder.

Much like stand your ground, Florida law allows such a thing.
 
Indeed, but the fact that Zimmerman pursued him doesnt make this as cut and dry as you may like dontchathink?

Maybe, maybe not.


I saw a suspicious car strolling around at 5 in the morning, so I drove to find the guy, got out and asked him what he was doing. It turned out it was the paper boy.

No harm no foul.

Now, he was driving slow, in front of houses, like you'd expect, but it looked like he might possibly be up to no good.

Nothing happened, it was fine. This happened for real.





Now, let's say the guy has an iced tea and skitless in his pocket he picked up at the gas station, and he gets out of his car because be is mad that I was watching him, and starts beating the shit out of me. He smashes my head into the pavement repeatedly. This guy isn't going to stop, so shoot and kill him.

Am I in the wrong because I followed him?

Hell no.

That mother phvkker would deserve to get shot.

The fact that I did or did not call the cops before hand doesn't mean shit either.


Based upon everything we know, I'd give Zimmerman his life back and not apologize about it either. You can't convict a guy of murder based upon speculation about whether Zimmerman or Martin started the fight. The evidence proves that Zimmerman got a handful of head wounds. And Martin only had a bullet hole. Now. Who would be screaming for help? That's still speculative, but I'd imagine it's the guy getting his head smashed into the pavement.

Zimmerman can't be guilty of anything more than being a dumbass and not minding his own business.

Oh, the black community is going to be furious about this, understandably so, but they are emotionally tired because they made this national news and the media turned it into a race issue from day 1. They demonized and lied about Zimmerman.

And GJohnson thinks getting found not-guilty is a reward? This guy is going to have to move far away just to prevent himself from being a victim of revenge.
 
I think manslaughter would be reasonable if it was one of the original charges. I think it's bullshit for them to throw it in at the end because they realized they did a shitty job of prosecuting. I think that gets things going down a dangerous road, personally.
 
Maybe, maybe not.


I saw a suspicious car strolling around at 5 in the morning, so I drove to findMi the guy, got out and asked him what he was doing. It turned out it was the paper boy.

No harm no foul.

Now, he was driving slow, in front of houses, like you'd expect, but it looked like he might possibly be up to no good.

Nothing happened, it was fine. This happened for real.





Now, let's say the guy has an iced tea and skitless in his pocket he picked up at the gas station, and he gets out of his car because be is mad that I was watching him, and starts beating the shit out of me. He smashes my head into the pavement repeatedly. This guy isn't going to stop, so shoot and kill him.

Am I in the wrong because I followed him?

Hell no.

That mother phvkker would deserve to get shot.

The fact that I did or did not call the cops before hand doesn't mean shit either.


Based upon everything we know, I'd give Zimmerman his life back and not apologize about it either. You can't convict a guy of murder based upon speculation about whether Zimmerman or Martin started the fight. The evidence proves that Zimmerman got a handful of head wounds. And Martin only had a bullet hole. Now. Who would be screaming for help? That's still speculative, but I'd imagine it's the guy getting his head smashed into the pavement.

Zimmerman can't be guilty of anything more than being a dumbass and not minding his own business.

Oh, the black community is going to be furious about this, understandably so, but they are emotionally tired because they made this national news and the media turned it into a race issue from day 1. They demonized and lied about Zimmerman.

And GJohnson thinks getting found not-guilty is a reward? This guy is going to have to move far away just to prevent himself from being a victim of revenge.

Yeah, you're also dumb as hell for following someone around. Are you really so naive that you don't see why that's A bad idea? The paperboy should've told you to mind you're own fucking business.

What if he had told you to fuck off? Would you have detained him?
 
Yeah, you're also dumb as hell for following someone around.
Yup. Cool tough guy bro story.
Are you really so naive that you don't see why that's A bad idea? The paperboy should've told you to mind you're own fucking business.

What if he had told you to fuck off? Would you have detained him?

Could have instigated a fight and shot him in self defense.
 
I think manslaughter would be reasonable if it was one of the original charges. I think it's bullshit for them to throw it in at the end because they realized they did a shitty job of prosecuting. I think that gets things going down a dangerous road, personally.

Eh Id like if all states allowed such leeway. Id rather have someone who is guilty of a crime be imprisoned as opposed to him/her getting off on a technicality. Think of someone standing trial for a murder 1 charge and despite the fact that overwhelming physical evidence exists, the prosecution wasnt able to prove that premeditation occurred.

Applies especially to this case, and much of the defense's argument drives the point home. It was awesome when they brought the guy who owns Zimmermans gym up to the witness stand to testify about how much of a pussy Zimmerman is. A wannabe cop with a history of violence shot an unarmed man on the doorstop of his home because he unwisely started a confrontation and quickly found himself in over his head. The precedent of a not guilty verdict is scary to contemplate.
 
Rewarded?

Not that I feel bad for the guy, but he has gone through hell for this.

He needs to go through many more years of hell in general population.....

1. Hopefully the Jury finds that he was originally looking for a person of color due to the break ins in that gates Twin Lakes community, so he's already played the race card
2. He stalked and profiled a person who had reason to be there after being told not to continue to follow
3. rachel jeantel said that she heard Trayvon say "Why are you following me". Then a man breathing hard said "What are you doing here" Then there was a bump and the phone went dead.
There was a struggle and Trayvon end up dead. He had no defensive wounds on his hands.

IMHO this means that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon, not the sucker punch theory that the defense put up. If Trayvon sucker punched Zimmerman , he would have had wounds on his hands/knuckles. However he does not. This seems to destroy the self defense claim

Now he guilty of atleast manslaughter
 
He needs to go through many more years of hell in general population.....

1. Hopefully the Jury finds that he was originally looking for a person of color due to the break ins in that gates Twin Lakes community, so he's already played the race card
2. He stalked and profiled a person who had reason to be there after being told not to continue to follow
3. rachel jeantel said that she heard Trayvon say "Why are you following me". Then a man breathing hard said "What are you doing here" Then there was a bump and the phone went dead.
There was a struggle and Trayvon end up dead. He had no defensive wounds on his hands.

IMHO this means that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon, not the sucker punch theory that the defense put up. If Trayvon sucker punched Zimmerman , he would have had wounds on his hands/knuckles. However he does not. This seems to destroy the self defense claim

Now he guilty of atleast manslaughter



1) There's no way to prove that.

2) Listen to the call. Martin ended up running away from Zimmerman before he followed 2 minutes later, which made him that much more suspicious. What dispatch told him doesn't mean shit to prove anything.

3) Defense wounds or hand scrapes injuries isn't necessarily going to be present when you get in a fist fight. Slamming someone's head repeatedly doesn't require you to get injured in return. That doesn't destroy anything. In fact the dozen swollen and/or bloody lumps on Zimmerman's head shows Martin was being extremely aggressive and vicious while Zimmerman apparently did absolutely nothing to Martin until he pulled the trigger. This definitely supports the self defense claim with an extremely strong string of evidence.
 
1) There's no way to prove that.

2) Listen to the call. Martin ended up running away from Zimmerman before he followed 2 minutes later, which made him that much more suspicious. What dispatch told him doesn't mean shit to prove anything.

3) Defense wounds or hand scrapes injuries isn't necessarily going to be present when you get in a fist fight. Slamming someone's head repeatedly doesn't require you to get injured in return. That doesn't destroy anything. In fact the dozen swollen and/or bloody lumps on Zimmerman's head shows Martin was being extremely aggressive and vicious while Zimmerman apparently did absolutely nothing to Martin until he pulled the trigger. This definitely supports the self defense claim with an extremely strong string of evidence.
totally
 
Eh Id like if all states allowed such leeway. Id rather have someone who is guilty of a crime be imprisoned as opposed to him/her getting off on a technicality. Think of someone standing trial for a murder 1 charge and despite the fact that overwhelming physical evidence exists, the prosecution wasnt able to prove that premeditation occurred.

Applies especially to this case, and much of the defense's argument drives the point home. It was awesome when they brought the guy who owns Zimmermans gym up to the witness stand to testify about how much of a pussy Zimmerman is. A wannabe cop with a history of violence shot an unarmed man on the doorstop of his home because he unwisely started a confrontation and quickly found himself in over his head. The precedent of a not guilty verdict is scary to contemplate.

Yeah but it's the prosecution's job to file multiple charges up front. In FL they have to give notice of all charges before the trial begins. Stacking the cards in favor of the prosecution is hardly a fair trial.
 
1) There's no way to prove that.
It's already out there. It's been talked about for over a year
http://the-american-journal.com/zimmerman-neighbors-fear-black-youth/

2) Listen to the call. Martin ended up running away from Zimmerman before he followed 2 minutes later, which made him that much more suspicious. What dispatch told him doesn't mean shit to prove anything.

Which also makes him the aggressor. If Martin was trying to get away , then there's no way Zimmerman can claim self defense if he's pursuing

3) Defense wounds or hand scrapes injuries isn't necessarily going to be present when you get in a fist fight. Slamming someone's head repeatedly doesn't require you to get injured in return. That doesn't destroy anything. In fact the dozen swollen and/or bloody lumps on Zimmerman's head shows Martin was being extremely aggressive and vicious while Zimmerman apparently did absolutely nothing to Martin until he pulled the trigger. This definitely supports the self defense claim with an extremely strong string of evidence.

It was presented by the medical examiner. What it also does is destroy Zimmerman's account of the story. Zimmerman elected not to testify which makes him look even less credible. Infact it makes him look like a lair and someone with something to hide
 
Lol, there were scrapes on both of martins hands retard.

Btw, doesn't mean shit. I have knocked the fuck out of someone before and my hand just turned red. Weak argument even if your facts were correct.

Zimmerman did nothing illegal. He did something stupid, but nothing illegal.
 
It's already out there. It's been talked about for over a year
http://the-american-journal.com/zimmerman-neighbors-fear-black-youth/



Which also makes him the aggressor. If Martin was trying to get away , then there's no way Zimmerman can claim self defense if he's pursuing



It was presented by the medical examiner. What it also does is destroy Zimmerman's account of the story. Zimmerman elected not to testify which makes him look even less credible. Infact it makes him look like a lair and someone with something to hide

1. That's got to be the most credible source I've ever seen.

2. If he's trying to keep an eye on a suspicious person in his neighborhood he's hardly the aggressor. The person that threw the first punch is, and we'll never have a way of knowing that. Who cares anyway?

3. It's pretty normal for defendants not to take the stand.

4. Christ, you love to play the race card.
 
Lol @ zimmerman 'electing not to testify'

he took advice from the fucking legal council you got dam idiot. They feel it was unnecessary for him to take the stand (which is true)

They didn't need it.
 
Yeah but it's the prosecution's job to file multiple charges up front. In FL they have to give notice of all charges before the trial begins. Stacking the cards in favor of the prosecution is hardly a fair trial.

In FL the judge can allow a lesser charge if he/she believes there is enough evidence to support such a charge be reasonably considered.

inb4 liberal activist judges, despite the fact that this kind of stuff happens all the time.

dabuffguy said:
Defense wounds or hand scrapes injuries isn't necessarily going to be present when you get in a fist fight. Slamming someone's head repeatedly doesn't require you to get injured in return. That doesn't destroy anything. In fact the dozen swollen and/or bloody lumps on Zimmerman's head shows Martin was being extremely aggressive and vicious while Zimmerman apparently did absolutely nothing to Martin until he pulled the trigger. This definitely supports the self defense claim with an extremely strong string of evidence.
lol
 
:rolleyes:

Now I'll point out where CBS is doing it as well if that's the case

George Zimmerman Trial: Man who shot Trayvon Martin was concerned about burglaries, police volunteer coordinator says - Crimesider - CBS News

Face it , Zimmerman was profiling African Americans

You just blew my mind man... A neighborhood watch started because residents were concerned about burglaries?

My god.

I'm still trying to figure out how a mexican was allowed to be the watch captain. Maybe he was a gardener that did a good job and he got promoted?
 
Lol @ that being an issue.

Next time a natural disaster ruins your fucking neighborhood, tell those pesky Red Cross folks noone asked them for dick
 
I'm still trying to figure out how a mexican was allowed to be the watch captain. Maybe he was a gardener that did a good job and he got promoted?


It's not a job. You don't get hired for it. It's something you volunteer for to keep shit out of your neighborhood.

So I see you came up with a theory for your original scenario.

Whatever.
There are neighborhoods that have paid security. Zimmerman was not a security profesional and was not any type of cop. Infact the prosecution calls him a "wanna be cop" and I agree with that position. He was also not asked by anyone to do that. He just decided to do create a neighborhood watch and volunteer himself...

How noble of him :rolleyes:
 
why no more texts? you fucking been on an oil tanker with no service? Chained to the bottom of the gulf of mexico?
 
Maybe, maybe not.


I saw a suspicious car strolling around at 5 in the morning, so I drove to find the guy, got out and asked him what he was doing. It turned out it was the paper boy.

No harm no foul.

Now, he was driving slow, in front of houses, like you'd expect, but it looked like he might possibly be up to no good.

Nothing happened, it was fine. This happened for real.





Now, let's say the guy has an iced tea and skitless in his pocket he picked up at the gas station, and he gets out of his car because be is mad that I was watching him, and starts beating the shit out of me. He smashes my head into the pavement repeatedly. This guy isn't going to stop, so shoot and kill him.

Am I in the wrong because I followed him?

Hell no.

That mother phvkker would deserve to get shot.

The fact that I did or did not call the cops before hand doesn't mean shit either.


Based upon everything we know, I'd give Zimmerman his life back and not apologize about it either. You can't convict a guy of murder based upon speculation about whether Zimmerman or Martin started the fight. The evidence proves that Zimmerman got a handful of head wounds. And Martin only had a bullet hole. Now. Who would be screaming for help? That's still speculative, but I'd imagine it's the guy getting his head smashed into the pavement.

Zimmerman can't be guilty of anything more than being a dumbass and not minding his own business.

Oh, the black community is going to be furious about this, understandably so, but they are emotionally tired because they made this national news and the media turned it into a race issue from day 1. They demonized and lied about Zimmerman.

And GJohnson thinks getting found not-guilty is a reward? This guy is going to have to move far away just to prevent himself from being a victim of revenge.
Cool story. What did your cousin think of it?
 
why no more texts? you fucking been on an oil tanker with no service? Chained to the bottom of the gulf of mexico?

I was driving an oil tanker in canada but I crashed that bish.

Lol nah just letting you enjoy your vacation. I will hydro up and send you some cawk pics tomorrow
 
In FL the judge can allow a lesser charge if he/she believes there is enough evidence to support such a charge be reasonably considered.

inb4 liberal activist judges, despite the fact that this kind of stuff happens all the time.


lol


Stole this from another board.

From the Florida Bar: (j)
Amendment of Information: An information on which the defendant is to be tried that charges an offense may be amended on the motion of the prosecuting attorney or defendant at any time PRIOR to trial because of formal defects.

I do think Zimmermanolo is guilty of manslaughter, but the prosecution fucked up. They've done it before, they'll do it again. It works the other way too.

My huge problem with the courts is in these huge, high profile cases, the "best of the best" prosecutors are the ones handling the cases. They shit the bed every time, and then the media and all of these armchair attys say how things should have gone.

Double jeopardy is not ok.
 
So I see you came up with a theory for your original scenario.

Whatever.
There are neighborhoods that have paid security. Zimmerman was not a security profesional and was not any type of cop. Infact the prosecution calls him a "wanna be cop" and I agree with that position. He was also not asked by anyone to do that. He just decided to do create a neighborhood watch and volunteer himself...

How noble of him :rolleyes:

Yeah.. God forbid a person thinks service is a duty, if not an obligation.

Do you have paid security in your neighborhood? I didn't when I was making money and lived in a much nicer area than Zimmerman was.
 
Question:

If George Zimmerman was charged with 2nd degree murder can the jury still convict him of involuntary manslaughter instead?

AFAIK the trial is for murder 2.

I am no legal expert, but murder 2, that won't stick.

Involuntary manslaughter seems like the appropriate charge.

If the jury can't find him guilty of a lesser charge and he walks then this is a major prosecutor fuck up.











b0und (anyone?)
 
Basically. Problem is, the prosecution didn't say that was a possible charge and the defense couldn't argue against it. This guy will most likely get away with manslaughter because the incapable state attorneys didn't know how to do their job.

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:rolleyes:

Now I'll point out where CBS is doing it as well if that's the case

George Zimmerman Trial: Man who shot Trayvon Martin was concerned about burglaries, police volunteer coordinator says - Crimesider - CBS News

Face it , Zimmerman was profiling African Americans

I'm going to be perfectly honest about a few things.

First, before the trial started and there was less evidence revealed and no testimonies given, I was sure Zimmerman was screwed. I wanted him to pay the price too.

Since that time, I looked at the evidenced from a non bias perspective and realized that Zimmerman is innocent of murder. He's a dumbass, but that's not illegal and neither is shooting someone for smashing your skull into the cement repeatedly to save your life.


Secondly, he didn't profile shit. Any motherphvkker strolling through a neighborhood in the rain when it's.pitch black while wearing your hood up, considering the robberies that had recently occured, automatically looks suspicious. He just happened to be black. Oddly enough, and unfortunately so, blacks just happen to carry a stereotype because of the amount of them doing shit that makes that stereotype true. That makes the race card easier to play by your own fault.

Honest to god the only reason you say he's a racial profiler is because you're black and so is Trayvon Martin. That fact alone is making you reek off bias against someone and not looking at the facts without prejudice. Referring to someone as a Coon doesn't make you a profiler nor does it even mean you're automatically a racist. You want to make him guilty because Trayvon is black so you disregard cold hard facts and let your prejudice and bias take over.

You paint this more like a racial hate crime and that's just pure bullshit.


One other thing, you have teenage black kids shooting and killing each other almost every single day in Chicago, la, Detroit, etc. I don't see the black community up in arms on national tv about that.

They made this a race issue, period. Say whatever else you want, that's the dam truth. If Zimmerman was black, it wouldn't even make the local news because black leaders salivate at the chance to get on tv and call foul at white people. Turns out, Zimmerman wasn't even white anyways, but that's what the media wanted us to think. Lying sons of bitches.

I just finished watching Django, and have a deeper appreciation for the tribulations blacks went through, but that was 150 years ago. Racial bigotry has ceased almost fully compared to 30 years ago. White kids idolize black singers and actors now. Times have changed and black people keep pulling the race card to stir shit up. Fuck off with that already.

I'm calling a spade a spade, and the amount of racism towards white people these days by blacks is only keeping things from moving forward. Calling racism at every freaking chance. Quit it.
 
I'm trying to figure that one out too considering noone hired him and noone asked him to perform that job

Doesn't mean shit, period.

If Trayvon hadn't smashed a dude's head into the pavement a dozen times, he didn't have gotten shot.

This is the same kid with "no_limit_nigga" as his twitter name, the same kid who got suspended for fighting at school, the same kid who double flips off the camera and posts it on Facebook, made jokes about rape on Facebook and Twitter, and had marijuana in his system at the time of the altercation. The kid obviously thought he was a hardcore nigga without limits. He posed like a thug.


You act like that, you end up getting the result of what you are posing to be, in the thug life. Stupid kids think it's cool, when in reality it's an extremely horrible life. Thugs steal, rib, rape and kill eachother. You want to act like tough shit, and end up getting because you decide to fuck someone up, then that's your own fault.



Here's what COULD have happened, had Trayvon not been Mr. No_limit_nigga. He could have told Zimmerman, hey I was just headed home. I grabbed some skittles and a drink from the gas station down the street and I'm on my way home. A polite decent person would have just nicely explained what they were doing and been on their way. There's no reason for a fight to break out, but it did, and I'd bet the house on the marijuana smoking, school fight suspended, teenage bad attitude, no_limit_nigga starting it.
 
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Question:

If George Zimmerman was charged with 2nd degree murder can the jury still convict him of involuntary manslaughter instead?

AFAIK the trial is for murder 2.

I am no legal expert, but murder 2, that won't stick.

Involuntary manslaughter seems like the appropriate charge.

If the jury can't find him guilty of a lesser charge and he walks then this is a major prosecutor fuck up.











b0und (anyone?)


Yes Bound, manslaughter is on the table
 
the same kid who got suspended for fighting at school, the same kid who double flips off the camera and posts it on Facebook, made jokes about rape on Facebook and Twitter, and had marijuana in his system at the time of the altercation. The kid obviously thought he was a hardcore nigga without limits.

Funny how you think that a teenager in this day in age getting into fights at school and smoking weed is much more relevant than an adult who has been actually arrested repeatedly for both domestic violence and assaulting a police officer.

Any motherphvkker strolling through a neighborhood in the rain when it's.pitch black while wearing your hood up

Yeah, good call. Wearing your hood UP when its raining is definitely suspicious.

Its common knowledge that only serial rapists carry umbrellas, too.

Racial bigotry has ceased almost fully compared to 30 years ago.

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Piss off slagg.

I didn't ask you to mouth off to me. Who do you think you are?

Dont get mad at smurf. She probably just saw you making a u-turn on her street the other day and now simply wants some answers as to what the fuck kind of shenanigans you were planning.
 
Yes Bound, manslaughter is on the table

Well, just glancing at the definitions:

Murder (United States law) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Murder 2 requires the prosecution prove intent to murder. Since there was a violent altercation between Zimmerman and Martin, proving intent is pretty much impossible beyond a reasonable doubt.

Involuntary manslaughter seems the much more feasible charge.

A lot of the argument here seems to be over who was at fault for the violent altercation between Zimmerman and Martin.

Zimmerman - violent, racist, wanna-be cop racially profiling Martin?

Or Martin - violent, drug-using, aggressive thug confronting/assaulting innocent neighborhood watch volunteer for doing his job?

And why does a case like this divide a country/society?






b0und (no winners here)
 
Well, just glancing at the definitions:

Murder (United States law) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Murder 2 requires the prosecution prove intent to murder. Since there was a violent altercation between Zimmerman and Martin, proving intent is pretty much impossible beyond a reasonable doubt.

Involuntary manslaughter seems the much more feasible charge.

A lot of the argument here seems to be over who was at fault for the violent altercation between Zimmerman and Martin.

Zimmerman - violent, racist, wanna-be cop racially profiling Martin?

Or Martin - violent, drug-using, aggressive thug confronting/assaulting innocent neighborhood watch volunteer for doing his job?

And why does a case like this divide a country/society?






b0und (no winners here)

Manslaugher definition in Florida

Florida Involuntary Manslaughter Laws - FindLaw

Manslaughter Laws

When a homicide, the killing of a human being, does not meet the legal definition of murder, Florida state laws allow a prosecutor to consider a manslaughter charge. The state establishes two types of manslaughter: voluntary and involuntary. While voluntary manslaughter describes an intentional act performed during a provocation or heat of passion, involuntary manslaughter does not require an intent to kill or even an intent to perform that act resulting in the victim's death.

To establish involuntary manslaughter, the prosecutor must show that the defendant acted with "culpable negligence." Florida statutes define culpable negligence as a disregard for human life while engaging in wanton or reckless behavior. The state may be able to prove involuntary manslaughter by showing the defendant's recklessness or lack of care when handling a dangerous instrument or weapon, or while engaging in a range of other activities that could lead to death if performed recklessly.

Why does this case divide people in America?
I'll let Howard University students answer that

 
"No_limit_nigga" is such an immature online handle. Especially for a kid. Real men come up with something witty like "Dabuffguy" for a handle when posting self-righteous dribble on a forum geared towards steroids and other illegal activities.
 
Well, just glancing at the definitions:

Murder (United States law) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Murder 2 requires the prosecution prove intent to murder. Since there was a violent altercation between Zimmerman and Martin, proving intent is pretty much impossible beyond a reasonable doubt.

Involuntary manslaughter seems the much more feasible charge.

A lot of the argument here seems to be over who was at fault for the violent altercation between Zimmerman and Martin.

Zimmerman - violent, racist, wanna-be cop racially profiling Martin?

Or Martin - violent, drug-using, aggressive thug confronting/assaulting innocent neighborhood watch volunteer for doing his job?

And why does a case like this divide a country/society?






b0und (no winners here)[/

Because it is meant to divide the country. And to distract. While other BS goes on in the White House and else where that matters much more.
 
I also wonder how zimmerman is getting a fair trial in the first place if the jury is all women.
Doesnt seem like its being tried by a "jury of your peers"
 
And why does a case like this divide a country/society?

Because most American's are ignorant pieces of shit, with sad pathetic lives, who's only joy in life is to impart their morals and teachings on the rest of the world.
 
I also wonder how zimmerman is getting a fair trial in the first place if the jury is all women.
Doesnt seem like its being tried by a "jury of your peers"

I see you checked into Drudge this morning.

The seeds have already been planted for the talking points if he is indeed convicted: The judge is a liberal activist leftist marxist Democrat (despite being appointed to her position by Jeb Bush), and Zimmerman couldnt be judge impartially by a jury of all wimminz.

I guess we should count our lucky stars that none of the jurors ended up being bliques.
 
Because most American's are ignorant pieces of shit, with sad pathetic lives, who's only joy in life is to impart their morals and teachings on the rest of the world.

I blame the 24 hour sensational news cycle combined with our love of turning every issue into a left vs right, us vs them issue as if were watching soccer in fucking Brazil.
 
"No_limit_nigga" is such an immature online handle. Especially for a kid. Real men come up with something witty like "Dabuffguy" for a handle when posting self-righteous dribble on a forum geared towards steroids and other illegal activities.

Dabuffvirg is so gangster.
 
I remember when I first joined in 2008 think gjohnson was an annoying fuck. Then he didn't post in chat for like 4 yrs.


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I see you checked into Drudge this morning.

The seeds have already been planted for the talking points if he is indeed convicted: The judge is a liberal activist leftist marxist Democrat (despite being appointed to her position by Jeb Bush), and Zimmerman couldnt be judge impartially by a jury of all wimminz.

I guess we should count our lucky stars that none of the jurors ended up being bliques.

It just wouldnt be a complete identity politics issue without throwing men vs women into the mix now would it
 
"No_limit_nigga" is such an immature online handle. Especially for a kid. Real men come up with something witty like "Dabuffguy" for a handle when posting self-righteous dribble on a forum geared towards steroids and other illegal activities.

I think it is safe to say that No Limit Nigga has indeed reached the limit.

Sad too. As we now have to see No Balls Spic on tv everyday.
 
I think it is safe to say that No Limit Nigga has indeed reached the limit.

Sad too. As we now have to see No Balls Spic on tv everyday.

Living in San Diego, I'm used to seeing no balls spics every day already. They usually have XIII or SD tattoo's on their foreheads though.
 
Cool we agree on that. Also that he will get manslaughter

The Color of Justice - Constitutional Rights Foundation

The Jury will be sympathetic to him. Atleast statistics point this out.

Jury Verdicts

In 1985, Cornell law professor Sheri Lynn Johnson reviewed a dozen mock-jury studies. She concluded that the "race of the defendant significantly and directly affects the determination of guilt." In these studies, identical trials were simulated, sometimes with white defendants and sometimes with African Americans. Professor Johnson discovered that white jurors were more likely to find a black defendant guilty than a white defendant, even though the mock trials were based on the same crime and the same evidence.

And Professor Johnson found that black jurors behaved with the reverse bias. They found white defendants guilty more often than black defendants. Furthermore, the race of the victim in the case affected both groups. If the victim was black, white jurors tended to find a white defendant less blameworthy. In the same way, if the victim was white, black jurors found black defendants less blameworthy.

According to these mock-jury experiments, both white and black jurors seem to discriminate. Professor Johnson did not, however, think the juror bias was intentional. "Because the process of attributing guilt on the basis of race appears to be subconscious," Johnson says, "jurors are unlikely either to be aware of or to be able to control that process."

Hopefully he gets manslaughter....
 
The Color of Justice - Constitutional Rights Foundation

The Jury will be sympathetic to him. Atleast statistics point this out.

Jury Verdicts

In 1985, Cornell law professor Sheri Lynn Johnson reviewed a dozen mock-jury studies. She concluded that the "race of the defendant significantly and directly affects the determination of guilt." In these studies, identical trials were simulated, sometimes with white defendants and sometimes with African Americans. Professor Johnson discovered that white jurors were more likely to find a black defendant guilty than a white defendant, even though the mock trials were based on the same crime and the same evidence.

And Professor Johnson found that black jurors behaved with the reverse bias. They found white defendants guilty more often than black defendants. Furthermore, the race of the victim in the case affected both groups. If the victim was black, white jurors tended to find a white defendant less blameworthy. In the same way, if the victim was white, black jurors found black defendants less blameworthy.

According to these mock-jury experiments, both white and black jurors seem to discriminate. Professor Johnson did not, however, think the juror bias was intentional. "Because the process of attributing guilt on the basis of race appears to be subconscious," Johnson says, "jurors are unlikely either to be aware of or to be able to control that process."

Hopefully he gets manslaughter....

Cool fucking story
 
They let Zimmerman go yet? I wanna riot already ! #ZimmermanTrial

— Enmanuel Tejeda (@fresh_ass_nigga) July 12, 2013

Zimmerman gets off the riot in florida gonna be bigger than when the Heat won

— jcostello (@representing315) July 12, 2013

I promise you me and my people gon RIOT! No bullshit

— Lul Stevie J ^_^ (@ItsBoraTho2x) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman walks… As a people I hope all of us African Americans RIOT! straight up. Lets wild the fuck out. WHO'S WITH ME ?!

— chilllllll blood (@DRIZZY_HIGHTIDE) July 12, 2013

If they don't find Zimmerman GUILTY white America better prepare themselves its real live riot supporters out here ready to get it popping

— Tee Walker (@mz_walker23) July 12, 2013

For Real if #Zimmerman isn't found guilty we should break into stores and start a riot on some Rodney King shit.

— ???1 (@scriptsquid) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman get off we starting a fuckin riot innis bitch!!!!

— Lul Stevie J ^_^ (@ItsBoraTho2x) July 12, 2013

Rodney King Riot pop off on anyone who looks like Zimmerman

— Jordan Orange (@LeeLeeBeMe) July 12, 2013

if Zimmerman gets off, black folks will riot….I will loot to show my support

— Coach Jackie Miles (@Jackiemiles5) July 12, 2013

If this Zimmerman guy is found innocent it's going to be a riot in some parts of this country! Smhhhh!

— Shaya (@Shay_J3) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman walk free, he will need a life time supply if police guards to protect him! ?????????????? it's going to be a riot #NotUpForDebate

— ?JULY24? (@__Arionn) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman walks away, get ready for L.A. riot part 2.

— Justin Summers (@OAF_Juss) July 12, 2013

If that faggot Zimmerman gets free we bout to have a riot. #FuckZimmerman

— Michael (@Rusedoesit_) July 12, 2013

Zimmerman win we starting a riot at DA MALL

— K Woods$$$ (@ImDa_Shotta) July 12, 2013

who wants to start a riot if Zimmerman gets off?

— Snorlax (@SharDaddy_) July 12, 2013

Can we riot in NYC if Zimmerman gets acquitted? I will need to break something.

— Bunny Themelis (@bunifah) July 12, 2013

Its riot if this nigga Zimmerman dont go to jail and Imma take advantage of it

— MoneyBags #GTD (@ItsDCbroo) July 12, 2013

Ima start a riot if Zimmerman gets away !

— ?. La cheif Keefa (@makeemscreamm) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman get off free I'm taking a trip ta Florida & IMMA START A RIOT IMMA START A RIOT!!!

— Loyalty (@MaRRi3D2DaMaFIa) July 12, 2013

Everybody knows Zimmerman is goin to jail. If he doesn't, Florida is going to riot & the government can't let that happen.

— Took (@k_trapps) July 12, 2013
 
They let Zimmerman go yet? I wanna riot already ! #ZimmermanTrial

— Enmanuel Tejeda (@fresh_ass_nigga) July 12, 2013

Zimmerman gets off the riot in florida gonna be bigger than when the Heat won

— jcostello (@representing315) July 12, 2013

I promise you me and my people gon RIOT! No bullshit

— Lul Stevie J ^_^ (@ItsBoraTho2x) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman walks… As a people I hope all of us African Americans RIOT! straight up. Lets wild the fuck out. WHO'S WITH ME ?!

— chilllllll blood (@DRIZZY_HIGHTIDE) July 12, 2013

If they don't find Zimmerman GUILTY white America better prepare themselves its real live riot supporters out here ready to get it popping

— Tee Walker (@mz_walker23) July 12, 2013

For Real if #Zimmerman isn't found guilty we should break into stores and start a riot on some Rodney King shit.

— ???1 (@scriptsquid) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman get off we starting a fuckin riot innis bitch!!!!

— Lul Stevie J ^_^ (@ItsBoraTho2x) July 12, 2013

Rodney King Riot pop off on anyone who looks like Zimmerman

— Jordan Orange (@LeeLeeBeMe) July 12, 2013

if Zimmerman gets off, black folks will riot….I will loot to show my support

— Coach Jackie Miles (@Jackiemiles5) July 12, 2013

If this Zimmerman guy is found innocent it's going to be a riot in some parts of this country! Smhhhh!

— Shaya (@Shay_J3) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman walk free, he will need a life time supply if police guards to protect him! ?????????????? it's going to be a riot #NotUpForDebate

— ?JULY24? (@__Arionn) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman walks away, get ready for L.A. riot part 2.

— Justin Summers (@OAF_Juss) July 12, 2013

If that faggot Zimmerman gets free we bout to have a riot. #FuckZimmerman

— Michael (@Rusedoesit_) July 12, 2013

Zimmerman win we starting a riot at DA MALL

— K Woods$$$ (@ImDa_Shotta) July 12, 2013

who wants to start a riot if Zimmerman gets off?

— Snorlax (@SharDaddy_) July 12, 2013

Can we riot in NYC if Zimmerman gets acquitted? I will need to break something.

— Bunny Themelis (@bunifah) July 12, 2013

Its riot if this nigga Zimmerman dont go to jail and Imma take advantage of it

— MoneyBags #GTD (@ItsDCbroo) July 12, 2013

Ima start a riot if Zimmerman gets away !

— ?. La cheif Keefa (@makeemscreamm) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman get off free I'm taking a trip ta Florida & IMMA START A RIOT IMMA START A RIOT!!!

— Loyalty (@MaRRi3D2DaMaFIa) July 12, 2013

Everybody knows Zimmerman is goin to jail. If he doesn't, Florida is going to riot & the government can't let that happen.

— Took (@k_trapps) July 12, 2013



Lmao, apparently there's a lot of no_limit_nigga's ready to act like savage animals because the justice system did their job.
 
"No_limit_nigga" is such an immature online handle. Especially for a kid. Real men come up with something witty like "Dabuffguy" for a handle when posting self-righteous dribble on a forum geared towards steroids and other illegal activities.

damn straight, you know wussup bro
 
Lol @ The fucking mongoloids tearing up their own neighborhoods.

They let Zimmerman go yet? I wanna riot already ! #ZimmermanTrial

— Enmanuel Tejeda (@fresh_ass_nigga) July 12, 2013

Zimmerman gets off the riot in florida gonna be bigger than when the Heat won

— jcostello (@representing315) July 12, 2013

I promise you me and my people gon RIOT! No bullshit

— Lul Stevie J ^_^ (@ItsBoraTho2x) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman walks… As a people I hope all of us African Americans RIOT! straight up. Lets wild the fuck out. WHO'S WITH ME ?!

— chilllllll blood (@DRIZZY_HIGHTIDE) July 12, 2013

If they don't find Zimmerman GUILTY white America better prepare themselves its real live riot supporters out here ready to get it popping

— Tee Walker (@mz_walker23) July 12, 2013

For Real if #Zimmerman isn't found guilty we should break into stores and start a riot on some Rodney King shit.

— ???1 (@scriptsquid) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman get off we starting a fuckin riot innis bitch!!!!

— Lul Stevie J ^_^ (@ItsBoraTho2x) July 12, 2013

Rodney King Riot pop off on anyone who looks like Zimmerman

— Jordan Orange (@LeeLeeBeMe) July 12, 2013

if Zimmerman gets off, black folks will riot….I will loot to show my support

— Coach Jackie Miles (@Jackiemiles5) July 12, 2013

If this Zimmerman guy is found innocent it's going to be a riot in some parts of this country! Smhhhh!

— Shaya (@Shay_J3) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman walk free, he will need a life time supply if police guards to protect him! ?????????????? it's going to be a riot #NotUpForDebate

— ?JULY24? (@__Arionn) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman walks away, get ready for L.A. riot part 2.

— Justin Summers (@OAF_Juss) July 12, 2013

If that faggot Zimmerman gets free we bout to have a riot. #FuckZimmerman

— Michael (@Rusedoesit_) July 12, 2013

Zimmerman win we starting a riot at DA MALL

— K Woods$$$ (@ImDa_Shotta) July 12, 2013

who wants to start a riot if Zimmerman gets off?

— Snorlax (@SharDaddy_) July 12, 2013

Can we riot in NYC if Zimmerman gets acquitted? I will need to break something.

— Bunny Themelis (@bunifah) July 12, 2013

Its riot if this nigga Zimmerman dont go to jail and Imma take advantage of it

— MoneyBags #GTD (@ItsDCbroo) July 12, 2013

Ima start a riot if Zimmerman gets away !

— ?. La cheif Keefa (@makeemscreamm) July 12, 2013

If Zimmerman get off free I'm taking a trip ta Florida & IMMA START A RIOT IMMA START A RIOT!!!

— Loyalty (@MaRRi3D2DaMaFIa) July 12, 2013

Everybody knows Zimmerman is goin to jail. If he doesn't, Florida is going to riot & the government can't let that happen.

— Took (@k_trapps) July 12, 2013
 
So gjohnson, are there any circumstances in your mind where you'd feel justified following someone?

Let's start with an extreme example: If someone dressed in full Klan gear was walking down your street in a very determined way (clearly not just on a stroll), would you feel any justification if you wanted to follow him?
 
Most black folks I know wouldn't follow a person like that because smart money is on that being one crazy honky. When I was growing up in Philly they had no problem going up to wannabe thugs they thought were selling drugs. Kinda like the wetback did.

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Was kinda wondering how long it would take before plunkey showed up with a completely retarded and nonsensical hypothetical scenario.
 
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