fuck off
shouldn't you be getting high by now?
Hopefully not. Stalking and profiling should not be rewarded
shouldn't you be getting high by now?
Either way, that is absolutely not 2nd degree murder.
Could (should) be manslaughter. Im concerned about the precedent it would set if he was found not guilty.
One question folks arent asking is why does Florida's SYG law not apply to Martin as well? Im sure he felt his life was in just as much danger (if not more) as Zimmerman claimed he was.
Yeah good call. Martin just has a bullet hole.
If someone believes there is an "imminent threat of bodily harm or death" then they just might put a bullet hole in that person. The other person doesnt have to have a gun they just have to present that threat in the mind of an RPM (reasonably prudent man).
Thats the law rob, dont have the player hate the game
Indeed, but the fact that Zimmerman pursued him doesnt make this as cut and dry as you may like dontchathink?
I never said it was cut and dry slam dunk, i only said i think he will walk
Wouldnt be surprised, but Im 60/40 thinking itll be guilty of manslaughter.
Indeed, but the fact that Zimmerman pursued him doesnt make this as cut and dry as you may like dontchathink?
Maybe, maybe not.
I saw a suspicious car strolling around at 5 in the morning, so I drove to findMi the guy, got out and asked him what he was doing. It turned out it was the paper boy.
No harm no foul.
Now, he was driving slow, in front of houses, like you'd expect, but it looked like he might possibly be up to no good.
Nothing happened, it was fine. This happened for real.
Now, let's say the guy has an iced tea and skitless in his pocket he picked up at the gas station, and he gets out of his car because be is mad that I was watching him, and starts beating the shit out of me. He smashes my head into the pavement repeatedly. This guy isn't going to stop, so shoot and kill him.
Am I in the wrong because I followed him?
Hell no.
That mother phvkker would deserve to get shot.
The fact that I did or did not call the cops before hand doesn't mean shit either.
Based upon everything we know, I'd give Zimmerman his life back and not apologize about it either. You can't convict a guy of murder based upon speculation about whether Zimmerman or Martin started the fight. The evidence proves that Zimmerman got a handful of head wounds. And Martin only had a bullet hole. Now. Who would be screaming for help? That's still speculative, but I'd imagine it's the guy getting his head smashed into the pavement.
Zimmerman can't be guilty of anything more than being a dumbass and not minding his own business.
Oh, the black community is going to be furious about this, understandably so, but they are emotionally tired because they made this national news and the media turned it into a race issue from day 1. They demonized and lied about Zimmerman.
And GJohnson thinks getting found not-guilty is a reward? This guy is going to have to move far away just to prevent himself from being a victim of revenge.
Yup. Cool tough guy bro story.Yeah, you're also dumb as hell for following someone around.
Are you really so naive that you don't see why that's A bad idea? The paperboy should've told you to mind you're own fucking business.
What if he had told you to fuck off? Would you have detained him?
I think manslaughter would be reasonable if it was one of the original charges. I think it's bullshit for them to throw it in at the end because they realized they did a shitty job of prosecuting. I think that gets things going down a dangerous road, personally.
Rewarded?
Not that I feel bad for the guy, but he has gone through hell for this.
He needs to go through many more years of hell in general population.....
1. Hopefully the Jury finds that he was originally looking for a person of color due to the break ins in that gates Twin Lakes community, so he's already played the race card
2. He stalked and profiled a person who had reason to be there after being told not to continue to follow
3. rachel jeantel said that she heard Trayvon say "Why are you following me". Then a man breathing hard said "What are you doing here" Then there was a bump and the phone went dead.
There was a struggle and Trayvon end up dead. He had no defensive wounds on his hands.
IMHO this means that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon, not the sucker punch theory that the defense put up. If Trayvon sucker punched Zimmerman , he would have had wounds on his hands/knuckles. However he does not. This seems to destroy the self defense claim
Now he guilty of atleast manslaughter
totally1) There's no way to prove that.
2) Listen to the call. Martin ended up running away from Zimmerman before he followed 2 minutes later, which made him that much more suspicious. What dispatch told him doesn't mean shit to prove anything.
3) Defense wounds or hand scrapes injuries isn't necessarily going to be present when you get in a fist fight. Slamming someone's head repeatedly doesn't require you to get injured in return. That doesn't destroy anything. In fact the dozen swollen and/or bloody lumps on Zimmerman's head shows Martin was being extremely aggressive and vicious while Zimmerman apparently did absolutely nothing to Martin until he pulled the trigger. This definitely supports the self defense claim with an extremely strong string of evidence.
Eh Id like if all states allowed such leeway. Id rather have someone who is guilty of a crime be imprisoned as opposed to him/her getting off on a technicality. Think of someone standing trial for a murder 1 charge and despite the fact that overwhelming physical evidence exists, the prosecution wasnt able to prove that premeditation occurred.
Applies especially to this case, and much of the defense's argument drives the point home. It was awesome when they brought the guy who owns Zimmermans gym up to the witness stand to testify about how much of a pussy Zimmerman is. A wannabe cop with a history of violence shot an unarmed man on the doorstop of his home because he unwisely started a confrontation and quickly found himself in over his head. The precedent of a not guilty verdict is scary to contemplate.
It's already out there. It's been talked about for over a year1) There's no way to prove that.
2) Listen to the call. Martin ended up running away from Zimmerman before he followed 2 minutes later, which made him that much more suspicious. What dispatch told him doesn't mean shit to prove anything.
3) Defense wounds or hand scrapes injuries isn't necessarily going to be present when you get in a fist fight. Slamming someone's head repeatedly doesn't require you to get injured in return. That doesn't destroy anything. In fact the dozen swollen and/or bloody lumps on Zimmerman's head shows Martin was being extremely aggressive and vicious while Zimmerman apparently did absolutely nothing to Martin until he pulled the trigger. This definitely supports the self defense claim with an extremely strong string of evidence.
It's already out there. It's been talked about for over a year
http://the-american-journal.com/zimmerman-neighbors-fear-black-youth/
Which also makes him the aggressor. If Martin was trying to get away , then there's no way Zimmerman can claim self defense if he's pursuing
It was presented by the medical examiner. What it also does is destroy Zimmerman's account of the story. Zimmerman elected not to testify which makes him look even less credible. Infact it makes him look like a lair and someone with something to hide
4. Christ, you love to play the race card.
Yeah but it's the prosecution's job to file multiple charges up front. In FL they have to give notice of all charges before the trial begins. Stacking the cards in favor of the prosecution is hardly a fair trial.
loldabuffguy said:Defense wounds or hand scrapes injuries isn't necessarily going to be present when you get in a fist fight. Slamming someone's head repeatedly doesn't require you to get injured in return. That doesn't destroy anything. In fact the dozen swollen and/or bloody lumps on Zimmerman's head shows Martin was being extremely aggressive and vicious while Zimmerman apparently did absolutely nothing to Martin until he pulled the trigger. This definitely supports the self defense claim with an extremely strong string of evidence.
I didn't make it about race. Zimmerman did that all by himself with his pursuing of African Americans in the Twin Lakes community
And you're doing it again.
Now I'll point out where CBS is doing it as well if that's the case
George Zimmerman Trial: Man who shot Trayvon Martin was concerned about burglaries, police volunteer coordinator says - Crimesider - CBS News
Face it , Zimmerman was profiling African Americans
You can stop stalking me whenever you like
I'm still trying to figure out how a mexican was allowed to be the watch captain.
I'm trying to figure that one out too considering noone hired him and noone asked him to perform that job
I'm still trying to figure out how a mexican was allowed to be the watch captain. Maybe he was a gardener that did a good job and he got promoted?
It's not a job. You don't get hired for it. It's something you volunteer for to keep shit out of your neighborhood.
Cool story. What did your cousin think of it?Maybe, maybe not.
I saw a suspicious car strolling around at 5 in the morning, so I drove to find the guy, got out and asked him what he was doing. It turned out it was the paper boy.
No harm no foul.
Now, he was driving slow, in front of houses, like you'd expect, but it looked like he might possibly be up to no good.
Nothing happened, it was fine. This happened for real.
Now, let's say the guy has an iced tea and skitless in his pocket he picked up at the gas station, and he gets out of his car because be is mad that I was watching him, and starts beating the shit out of me. He smashes my head into the pavement repeatedly. This guy isn't going to stop, so shoot and kill him.
Am I in the wrong because I followed him?
Hell no.
That mother phvkker would deserve to get shot.
The fact that I did or did not call the cops before hand doesn't mean shit either.
Based upon everything we know, I'd give Zimmerman his life back and not apologize about it either. You can't convict a guy of murder based upon speculation about whether Zimmerman or Martin started the fight. The evidence proves that Zimmerman got a handful of head wounds. And Martin only had a bullet hole. Now. Who would be screaming for help? That's still speculative, but I'd imagine it's the guy getting his head smashed into the pavement.
Zimmerman can't be guilty of anything more than being a dumbass and not minding his own business.
Oh, the black community is going to be furious about this, understandably so, but they are emotionally tired because they made this national news and the media turned it into a race issue from day 1. They demonized and lied about Zimmerman.
And GJohnson thinks getting found not-guilty is a reward? This guy is going to have to move far away just to prevent himself from being a victim of revenge.
why no more texts? you fucking been on an oil tanker with no service? Chained to the bottom of the gulf of mexico?
In FL the judge can allow a lesser charge if he/she believes there is enough evidence to support such a charge be reasonably considered.
inb4 liberal activist judges, despite the fact that this kind of stuff happens all the time.
lol
So I see you came up with a theory for your original scenario.
Whatever.
There are neighborhoods that have paid security. Zimmerman was not a security profesional and was not any type of cop. Infact the prosecution calls him a "wanna be cop" and I agree with that position. He was also not asked by anyone to do that. He just decided to do create a neighborhood watch and volunteer himself...
How noble of him![]()
Now I'll point out where CBS is doing it as well if that's the case
George Zimmerman Trial: Man who shot Trayvon Martin was concerned about burglaries, police volunteer coordinator says - Crimesider - CBS News
Face it , Zimmerman was profiling African Americans
Cool story. What did your cousin think of it?
I'm trying to figure that one out too considering noone hired him and noone asked him to perform that job
Question:
If George Zimmerman was charged with 2nd degree murder can the jury still convict him of involuntary manslaughter instead?
AFAIK the trial is for murder 2.
I am no legal expert, but murder 2, that won't stick.
Involuntary manslaughter seems like the appropriate charge.
If the jury can't find him guilty of a lesser charge and he walks then this is a major prosecutor fuck up.
b0und (anyone?)
the same kid who got suspended for fighting at school, the same kid who double flips off the camera and posts it on Facebook, made jokes about rape on Facebook and Twitter, and had marijuana in his system at the time of the altercation. The kid obviously thought he was a hardcore nigga without limits.
Any motherphvkker strolling through a neighborhood in the rain when it's.pitch black while wearing your hood up
Racial bigotry has ceased almost fully compared to 30 years ago.
Piss off slagg.
I didn't ask you to mouth off to me. Who do you think you are?
Yes Bound, manslaughter is on the table
Well, just glancing at the definitions:
Murder (United States law) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Murder 2 requires the prosecution prove intent to murder. Since there was a violent altercation between Zimmerman and Martin, proving intent is pretty much impossible beyond a reasonable doubt.
Involuntary manslaughter seems the much more feasible charge.
A lot of the argument here seems to be over who was at fault for the violent altercation between Zimmerman and Martin.
Zimmerman - violent, racist, wanna-be cop racially profiling Martin?
Or Martin - violent, drug-using, aggressive thug confronting/assaulting innocent neighborhood watch volunteer for doing his job?
And why does a case like this divide a country/society?
b0und (no winners here)
Well, just glancing at the definitions:
Murder (United States law) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Murder 2 requires the prosecution prove intent to murder. Since there was a violent altercation between Zimmerman and Martin, proving intent is pretty much impossible beyond a reasonable doubt.
Involuntary manslaughter seems the much more feasible charge.
A lot of the argument here seems to be over who was at fault for the violent altercation between Zimmerman and Martin.
Zimmerman - violent, racist, wanna-be cop racially profiling Martin?
Or Martin - violent, drug-using, aggressive thug confronting/assaulting innocent neighborhood watch volunteer for doing his job?
And why does a case like this divide a country/society?
b0und (no winners here)[/
Because it is meant to divide the country. And to distract. While other BS goes on in the White House and else where that matters much more.
And why does a case like this divide a country/society?
I also wonder how zimmerman is getting a fair trial in the first place if the jury is all women.
Doesnt seem like its being tried by a "jury of your peers"
Because most American's are ignorant pieces of shit, with sad pathetic lives, who's only joy in life is to impart their morals and teachings on the rest of the world.
Piss off slagg.
I didn't ask you to mouth off to me. Who do you think you are?
"No_limit_nigga" is such an immature online handle. Especially for a kid. Real men come up with something witty like "Dabuffguy" for a handle when posting self-righteous dribble on a forum geared towards steroids and other illegal activities.
I blame the 24 hour sensational news cycle combined with our love of turning every issue into a left vs right, us vs them issue as if were watching soccer in fucking Brazil.
I see you checked into Drudge this morning.
The seeds have already been planted for the talking points if he is indeed convicted: The judge is a liberal activist leftist marxist Democrat (despite being appointed to her position by Jeb Bush), and Zimmerman couldnt be judge impartially by a jury of all wimminz.
I guess we should count our lucky stars that none of the jurors ended up being bliques.
"No_limit_nigga" is such an immature online handle. Especially for a kid. Real men come up with something witty like "Dabuffguy" for a handle when posting self-righteous dribble on a forum geared towards steroids and other illegal activities.
I remember when I first joined in 2008 think gjohnson was an annoying fuck. Then he didn't post in chat for like 4 yrs.
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I remember when I first joined in 2008 think gjohnson was an annoying fuck. Then he didn't post in chat for like 4 yrs.
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I think it is safe to say that No Limit Nigga has indeed reached the limit.
Sad too. As we now have to see No Balls Spic on tv everyday.
am I the only one that thought all of them did in fact look suspicious?
living in san diego, i'm used to seeing no balls spics every day already. They usually have xiii or sd tattoo's on their foreheads though.
stereotypes exist for a reason?
Hopefully your point above is exactly what puts him in general population for a very long time...
Cool we agree on that. Also that he will get manslaughter
The Color of Justice - Constitutional Rights Foundation
The Jury will be sympathetic to him. Atleast statistics point this out.
Jury Verdicts
In 1985, Cornell law professor Sheri Lynn Johnson reviewed a dozen mock-jury studies. She concluded that the "race of the defendant significantly and directly affects the determination of guilt." In these studies, identical trials were simulated, sometimes with white defendants and sometimes with African Americans. Professor Johnson discovered that white jurors were more likely to find a black defendant guilty than a white defendant, even though the mock trials were based on the same crime and the same evidence.
And Professor Johnson found that black jurors behaved with the reverse bias. They found white defendants guilty more often than black defendants. Furthermore, the race of the victim in the case affected both groups. If the victim was black, white jurors tended to find a white defendant less blameworthy. In the same way, if the victim was white, black jurors found black defendants less blameworthy.
According to these mock-jury experiments, both white and black jurors seem to discriminate. Professor Johnson did not, however, think the juror bias was intentional. "Because the process of attributing guilt on the basis of race appears to be subconscious," Johnson says, "jurors are unlikely either to be aware of or to be able to control that process."
Hopefully he gets manslaughter....
They let Zimmerman go yet? I wanna riot already ! #ZimmermanTrial
— Enmanuel Tejeda (@fresh_ass_nigga) July 12, 2013
Zimmerman gets off the riot in florida gonna be bigger than when the Heat won
— jcostello (@representing315) July 12, 2013
I promise you me and my people gon RIOT! No bullshit
— Lul Stevie J ^_^ (@ItsBoraTho2x) July 12, 2013
If Zimmerman walks… As a people I hope all of us African Americans RIOT! straight up. Lets wild the fuck out. WHO'S WITH ME ?!
— chilllllll blood (@DRIZZY_HIGHTIDE) July 12, 2013
If they don't find Zimmerman GUILTY white America better prepare themselves its real live riot supporters out here ready to get it popping
— Tee Walker (@mz_walker23) July 12, 2013
For Real if #Zimmerman isn't found guilty we should break into stores and start a riot on some Rodney King shit.
— ???1 (@scriptsquid) July 12, 2013
If Zimmerman get off we starting a fuckin riot innis bitch!!!!
— Lul Stevie J ^_^ (@ItsBoraTho2x) July 12, 2013
Rodney King Riot pop off on anyone who looks like Zimmerman
— Jordan Orange (@LeeLeeBeMe) July 12, 2013
if Zimmerman gets off, black folks will riot….I will loot to show my support
— Coach Jackie Miles (@Jackiemiles5) July 12, 2013
If this Zimmerman guy is found innocent it's going to be a riot in some parts of this country! Smhhhh!
— Shaya (@Shay_J3) July 12, 2013
If Zimmerman walk free, he will need a life time supply if police guards to protect him! ?????????????? it's going to be a riot #NotUpForDebate
— ?JULY24? (@__Arionn) July 12, 2013
If Zimmerman walks away, get ready for L.A. riot part 2.
— Justin Summers (@OAF_Juss) July 12, 2013
If that faggot Zimmerman gets free we bout to have a riot. #FuckZimmerman
— Michael (@Rusedoesit_) July 12, 2013
Zimmerman win we starting a riot at DA MALL
— K Woods$$$ (@ImDa_Shotta) July 12, 2013
who wants to start a riot if Zimmerman gets off?
— Snorlax (@SharDaddy_) July 12, 2013
Can we riot in NYC if Zimmerman gets acquitted? I will need to break something.
— Bunny Themelis (@bunifah) July 12, 2013
Its riot if this nigga Zimmerman dont go to jail and Imma take advantage of it
— MoneyBags #GTD (@ItsDCbroo) July 12, 2013
Ima start a riot if Zimmerman gets away !
— ?. La cheif Keefa (@makeemscreamm) July 12, 2013
If Zimmerman get off free I'm taking a trip ta Florida & IMMA START A RIOT IMMA START A RIOT!!!
— Loyalty (@MaRRi3D2DaMaFIa) July 12, 2013
Everybody knows Zimmerman is goin to jail. If he doesn't, Florida is going to riot & the government can't let that happen.
— Took (@k_trapps) July 12, 2013
"No_limit_nigga" is such an immature online handle. Especially for a kid. Real men come up with something witty like "Dabuffguy" for a handle when posting self-righteous dribble on a forum geared towards steroids and other illegal activities.
Lmao, apparently there's a lot of no_limit_nigga's ready to act like savage animals because the justice system did their job.
They let Zimmerman go yet? I wanna riot already ! #ZimmermanTrial
— Enmanuel Tejeda (@fresh_ass_nigga) July 12, 2013
Zimmerman gets off the riot in florida gonna be bigger than when the Heat won
— jcostello (@representing315) July 12, 2013
I promise you me and my people gon RIOT! No bullshit
— Lul Stevie J ^_^ (@ItsBoraTho2x) July 12, 2013
If Zimmerman walks… As a people I hope all of us African Americans RIOT! straight up. Lets wild the fuck out. WHO'S WITH ME ?!
— chilllllll blood (@DRIZZY_HIGHTIDE) July 12, 2013
If they don't find Zimmerman GUILTY white America better prepare themselves its real live riot supporters out here ready to get it popping
— Tee Walker (@mz_walker23) July 12, 2013
For Real if #Zimmerman isn't found guilty we should break into stores and start a riot on some Rodney King shit.
— ???1 (@scriptsquid) July 12, 2013
If Zimmerman get off we starting a fuckin riot innis bitch!!!!
— Lul Stevie J ^_^ (@ItsBoraTho2x) July 12, 2013
Rodney King Riot pop off on anyone who looks like Zimmerman
— Jordan Orange (@LeeLeeBeMe) July 12, 2013
if Zimmerman gets off, black folks will riot….I will loot to show my support
— Coach Jackie Miles (@Jackiemiles5) July 12, 2013
If this Zimmerman guy is found innocent it's going to be a riot in some parts of this country! Smhhhh!
— Shaya (@Shay_J3) July 12, 2013
If Zimmerman walk free, he will need a life time supply if police guards to protect him! ?????????????? it's going to be a riot #NotUpForDebate
— ?JULY24? (@__Arionn) July 12, 2013
If Zimmerman walks away, get ready for L.A. riot part 2.
— Justin Summers (@OAF_Juss) July 12, 2013
If that faggot Zimmerman gets free we bout to have a riot. #FuckZimmerman
— Michael (@Rusedoesit_) July 12, 2013
Zimmerman win we starting a riot at DA MALL
— K Woods$$$ (@ImDa_Shotta) July 12, 2013
who wants to start a riot if Zimmerman gets off?
— Snorlax (@SharDaddy_) July 12, 2013
Can we riot in NYC if Zimmerman gets acquitted? I will need to break something.
— Bunny Themelis (@bunifah) July 12, 2013
Its riot if this nigga Zimmerman dont go to jail and Imma take advantage of it
— MoneyBags #GTD (@ItsDCbroo) July 12, 2013
Ima start a riot if Zimmerman gets away !
— ?. La cheif Keefa (@makeemscreamm) July 12, 2013
If Zimmerman get off free I'm taking a trip ta Florida & IMMA START A RIOT IMMA START A RIOT!!!
— Loyalty (@MaRRi3D2DaMaFIa) July 12, 2013
Everybody knows Zimmerman is goin to jail. If he doesn't, Florida is going to riot & the government can't let that happen.
— Took (@k_trapps) July 12, 2013
Was kinda wondering how long it would take before plunkey showed up with a completely retarded and nonsensical hypothetical scenario.
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