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Burning Desire

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I just have to shout it out ....

I am SO in Love!! Really, I am!

I want to be happy, appreciated and special .... I want a best friend ....

he gives me all of that and more!

I'm scared what all this could mean! But I do know one thing ... in the end ... I want to be happy.
 
Oh god, de ja fucking vu! Older woman in an unhappy marriage, younger guy (obviously no Jubie) but he'll do...I guess.

BD, you will get a divorce, or at least a seperation. You will try and remain a good mother because you love your children. Husband won't take it well.
 
Played this scenario out before. You wouldn't believe the similarities. Its uncanny.
 
Jubei, he happens to be everything my husband is NOT ... and he's an older well-established gentleman who knows how to treat a lady. He's definatley not a drunk who likes to verbally/physically abuse his woman ....

He's everything my husband is not ... strong yet gentle ... ambitious and laid back .... beautiful, witty ... very intelligent ... did I say good looking ... big brown eyes ... brown thick hair, hair chest .... nice tool, and knows how to do it ... my little marathon man! :)

He tells me I have him wrapped around my finger ... I'd like to keep him there, but I'm afraid he's just out of my league, he's definately too good for me. But as long as he'll have me, I'm his.

We spend hours talking to each other ... and talk everyday ... Its not just a sex thing ... it's an emotional connection that we have with each other ... It's really weird how it all came to be ... it's like I'm dreaming. I have something to smile about these days. I like that!
 
He is meeting the needs that your husband is not.

Your husband is also meeting certain basic needs (food, shelter, money) of yours that allow you to live in fantasy land with OM (other man) -- a land that is all about you, no pressures of everyday life, no bills, no fights, no cleaning, just fun. Plus having the secret is fun -- it makes you feel alive and daring. Like you're doing something just for you, spoiling yourself. It feels good. For now.

Guess what? When your husband is out of the picture, reality will settle in. Your fantasy land with OM is gone, you will have reality -- the reality that includes damaged children, divorce costs, lawyers, custody proceedings, a split home, bills, moving, etc. You will start to see a side of OM that wasn't present before -- he is now under pressure to meet all your needs, something that he didn't have to do before; something that he may not be capable of.

By the numbers, your relationship with OM will last about 6 months after your husband completely withdraws from the situation and ceases to meet any of your needs (money, shelter, food, etc.). You will likely move out of your home and in with OM, only to have it fall apart.

But right now, none of this matters, you will justify anything right now to meet your addiction; it is like a drug. You are looking for acceptance and approval, not reality.

You *could* try to patch up with your husband, clicking on the link in my sig would give you some insight. I know you're not interested though. You have to hit bottom first. Have a fun trip to Hell. Hope you make it back someday -- and I hope that your kids aren't irreprably screwed by the *only* people in the world that are responsible for their physical, mental and spiritual well-being. You know, they don't know how to take care of themselves -- that's what mommy and daddy are for.

Don't believe me? Do some reading over at the site about infidelity statistics and scenarios -- I'll bet you a hundred dollars you'll find a letter over there by somebody in almost your exact position... Hell, you can talk to other WS (wayward spouses) on the bulliten board over there (excellent resource).

Bottom line, what you are doing is not unique, what you are feeling is not unique. Nor is it real. What you are doing is based on deceit and false foundations. When it's exposed to the light of day and *real* pressures of everyday life, it will likely die. And then you'll have nothing. No chance at making the man you once loved back into the man you love, no respect from your children or peers (they won't say it to your face, but believe me, they'll talk about you behind your back), you'll have lost your house -- and probably most important, your dignity and self worth.

I expect your reaction to this to be inflammatory -- it has to to be as you *really* need to protect the illusion and falsehood you've created and cling to. And you will not take any of these words to heart, and you will probably not click on the link -- any of these things would be an acknowledgement that there *may* be some truth to the concepts I've presented -- and that can't be, right?

Again, have fun in Hell. Do your best not to take your children with you -- and try not to let your husband kill himself, after all, he's not the one having an affair.
 
machine....very insightful and true. My ex-wife did same thing to me....However- Iam reading into BDs post, and there appears to be abuse there....If this is true, then she is being given an opportunity to see what life should be like and that there is a difference...that there is peace and warmth and love and the feelings it brings...Iam sensing that she has been lacking these for a long time with little or no confidence in herself...sometimes we are sent messengers (help) to see and understand-and most of all to wake -up our spirit....BD for you- I worshiped the ground my wife walked on, and I loved her more than I could ever express....I fell in love with her every day more and more-never understood how that was possible- but now I do....Why she left me??? I have no real answer, only speculation-maybe she thought she did not deserve me-dont know....hope her 23 yr old does it for her and that they are happy....and yes, I died a little when she left....but if your husband is abusive- then he's already there.....
 
Reading between the lines, I don't think BD's husband is abusive. I think she's built up angry outbursts (likely caused out of frustration of her attitude and not knowing what the fuck is going on) into something more dramatic than it was to help her create a demon image of him -- hence, somebody that deserves to be cheated on, thus excusing her actions.

If she is getting her ass kicked, then yes, she needs to take her and herself to the nearest shelter.

I think if the guy was truly abusive she would have stated it much more prominently than she has. She is just being dramatic. Although she will shift her story now to take advantage of this sideroad that leads away from attention to the affair.
 
Here's what this is really about and her motivations

I particularly like the last couple lines of the fourth quote. That is who this person is.

Burning Desire said:



MANOFARMS .... no slut here ... just a stay-at-home mommy who's daddy is always away working too many long hours! It gets lonely ... and after ump-teen years with the same dude ... what's wrong with a little "fun and excitement"!! I guess it's different if a guy says he wants to get fucked, but hey, if a girl says she just wants to get fucked ... she's automatically labeled a slut, huh? Like that earlier post said, "I don't want relationship, I just want bang, bang!" I know where he's been, and he know's where I've been .... OH! No! now I'm going to be labelled something else because I'm "Planning on Cheating on my Husband" ... Oh well, what he don't know, won't hurt!


Say la vie!

Burning Desire said:
Hey Whatevrmn -- Whatever!

There isn't anything "broke" ... so I can't fix it!! I knew somebody would say something about the fact that I'm married ... whatever!!! and I'm not getting a divorce, why should I?! I owe no explanation of this!

I just want to have some fun! No strings attached!! Whatever!

As far as I'm concern, there is nothing wrong with this! You only come this way once ... mine as welll do what ever you want!!! He'll never know! And, when I wake up in the morning and look myself in the mirror ... I won't feel the least bit guilty! In fact, I'll be smiling! So, what ... I'm an evil person ?? Oh well, I'd rather be evil and loving life! :rolleyes:

:)

Burning Desire said:


I don't want, nor am I looking for any of that "commitment" mumble jumble ... I don't have time for that .... I just want the pure satisfaction of the physical sexual pleasure without the emotional involvement!!

:)

Burning Desire said:
LMAO!!! :D

I'm just trying to share all this love ... not with just anybody but with one person inparticular! I'm just having some fun!! I guess I have no moral conscience!! Is that such a horrible thing?! (a rhetorical question!) .... he'll never know! How would he ever! find out??? I might be crazy, but I'm not stupid enough to get caught!! He'd stay with me anyway! I have his babies! Oooooohhhh, I'm so evil!!! LMAO!!! :D

:)
 
ok seriously ifyour cheating on your husband then I hope you get what you fucking deserve, and believe me its NO happiness, goddammit people are deplorable nd don't know the meaning of the ord respect anymore
 
yea, shit if I were yor husband and I found out Id slap you from here till next week, goddamm this is why i have no faith in people, worthless scum
 
Ya ... I did say all that ... but emotions and real life have a way of changing ...

I really did fall in love ... and I've obviously been "outta love" for the old man a long long time coming.... otherwise, it wouldn't have come to this.

nobody has all the answers... most of all me.

every circumstance is different ... including this one that I'm in.

goodbye ef.
 
godamm why coudn't youof just divorced him if you were unhappy? Are you proud that your actions might crush antother persons soul that you once loved and prob loves you? shit cheaters can all burn in hell, that shit is ridiculous

and btw, if your son to be ex decides to rataliate onis so called "love of your life", know this, no matter what he does to him, its YOUR FAULT, you are to blame..shit I hpe it happens to
 
BD, good luck with life, I hope things work out for you.
 
ILLUSIONS: Every fantasy, be it of love or hate, deprives you of knowledge for fantasies are the veil behind which truth is hidden. To lift the veil that seems so dark and heavy, it is only needful to value truth beyond all fantasy, and to be intirely unwilling to settle for illusions in place of truth...What is temptation...but a wish to make illusions real.....
 
Burning Desire said:
Ya ... I did say all that ... but emotions and real life have a way of changing ...

I really did fall in love ... and I've obviously been "outta love" for the old man a long long time coming.... otherwise, it wouldn't have come to this.

nobody has all the answers... most of all me.

every circumstance is different ... including this one that I'm in.

goodbye ef.

BD, yes, you are in love -- humans have the capacity to love more than one at the same time; the problem is that the love you have built with the OM is based upon fantasy and illusion. You're in the honeymoon stages with the OM -- real, mature love is something much different (as I'm sure deep down, you must suspect). Question -- is the OM married too?

Your circumstances are not different or unique, it's actually quite shocking how much commonality there is in affairs. People even use the same words and phrases. Hit the site in my sig. Read the letters from people involved in affairs, you'll see.

You have been "outta love" with your H for a long time. Granted. But you were in love with him when you married him, right? I know it seems like a long time ago, but try to remember...

You can choose, along with your husband, to restore that love and restore your family. You truly can be happy with him again if you choose it and you both are willing to work at it. I know it's not appealing because of everything you've established with the OM; and quite honestly, it's impossible to reconcile (even if you wanted to) while the OM is still in the picture, but at least think about the concept that you and your H could love eachother fully again. And better than you ever have before.

Wouldn't that be great? And if it happened, wouldn't that love be so passionate and intense (because it will be based on mature love) that it would wipe away all of the shit you're going through now? What if your husband found a job that kept him in town, devoted time to you, *really* listened to what you need? It is possible you know.

If you want to move him down that road, tell him what is going on. The vast majority of marriages that affairs are exposed in attempt to reconcile. Sometimes men have to be aware that they are losing something they value to really understand how much they valued that person and how much they took that person for granted. Many of these relationships fail because they do not have the tools to heal. This doesn't have to happen.

Take some time at the site in my sig. You can take the information or leave it -- nothing's lost if you find it doesn't agree with you. Do it for your kids if nothing else.

Again, I have little hope that you'll actually heed these words. Most people in your situation, akin to alcoholism, need to hit rock bottom before they start looking up. I say this more for me than you so that I'm not as dissappointed when I find I've spent my time for naught.

Give yourself permission to think about these concepts and evaluate the information at the site I've given you. Just evaluating doesn't mean that you agree or disagree with anything that I've said, just that you have an open mind and are willing to momentarily step back and evaluate things.

Good luck.
 
OK ... Mr. Machine ... I did click on your site ....

and you know what ... I'm depressed now ...

because I have an emptiness and lonliness in my heart and I honestly don't want any more of what my H has to offer ....

I've stopped loving him ... I've stopped caring ... I've stopped wanting to try.

we've talked and I know he's trying, but it all seems so insincere to me ... like a little too late .... I feel like he's just doing and saying things to try and make me happy ... and not because he 'wants' to.... or maybe he does want to ....

this is what I struggle with ... and I don't want to screw my kids lives up ... so I'm in a marriage that is glued together because of children ... so what? be miserable for 16 more yeras until my children are grown .... I guess that is the "right" answer, the "right" choice ....


If there were an easy solution, I would be gone ... but there is no easy answer ...

so for now, I'll enjoy my new friend ... at least that is giving me happiness ...

I hate that everybody is so gd opinionated ... nobody knows my life, you don't walk in my shoes ... you don't know what it's like to live with somebody who has major mood swings and is an alcoholic ... I've put up with it for so long, but there is only so much a person can take before reaching the breaking point.

whatever .... why do I bother explaining...

bd
:(
 
BD read my earlier post to you....yes, no one has walked in your shoes...I for one have seen your scenerio 1000x....only you know-what is going on...no judgement here....something for you: Love will enter immediately into any mind that truely wants it, but it must want it truely. Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all barriers within youyrself that you have built against it. Love waits on welcome, not on time. When you want only love you will see nothing else. It is the nature of love to look upon only the truth, for there it sees itself....
 
You're depressed because you see more of yourself and your situation than you thought you might have in the letters from the people at the site. It's a shock to what you've built up as the reality and uniquenes of your situation. A crack in the door. And it makes you angry. Consider this.

If your husband is an alcoholic, get him help; if he refuses, then you need to consider what is best for you and your children (i.e. the environment they grow up in). Make him aware that he is choosing alcohol or he is choosing you and the family. Has he always been a big drinker, or is this something that has creeped in?

The great thing (?) about falling out of love, is that you can fall back in love and experience the rush all over again. Right now, you don't want anything to do with your husband because the OM is in the picture and is feeding you things that feel good after so long of not feeling good. This is completely natural and normal. You will not feel like doing anything with your husband while the OM is in the picture -- basic human nature. There is no reason for you to feel like doing otherwise when this great thing is going on. (But really, at some level, it's driving you crazy isn't it?)

The fact that your H is making any effort at all is a good sign. He likely does want to make things better, but he's in uncharted territory and isn't really a natural at figuring out your needs -- and he's carrying his own catalog of hurts and questions that he needs help dealing with.

Pick up "His Needs, Her Needs" by Willard E. Harley Jr. (http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi6020_needs.html) and both of you can actually identify the specific things that one another need out of the relationship in terms of everyday actions. A blueprint if you will. The small things really do add up to a whole.

Will it seem contrived at first? Yes. Does it matter? No. Things are awkward in any *new* relationship at first. And in a way, this will be a brand new relationship with your H.

95% of what we all do is habit. It takes about 3 months to establish habits. Once they're there, it's automatic. The key is knowing what habits to establish to meet one another's needs.

Look, it may be late, but it's never *too* late until somebody is dead. Nobody should be miserable in their marriage. Unfortunately, unlike a new car, marriage doesn't come with a manual -- so people are very adept at screwing things up when things start to go south in a marriage. It doesn't have to be this way.

Obviously, you value the marriage on some level (even if it's just for the kids), so perhaps it's worth saving the marriage -- even though you don't feel like it right now. You *do* have the capacity to love him again -- if he *treats you the way you deserve to be treated* and *you do likewise*.

It's not black and white (as you've alluded to before), there is more than just "stay and be miserable" or "cheat and be semi-happy" -- there is also "divorce, move on", "fall back in love with my H and be happy again" and many other choices. If you set your mind to it, you can do it.

You've been married for awhile, right? A little more time in thinking things through won't kill you. Give yourself permission *not* to make any decisions right now. Think about things logistically and from all perspectives -- even the perspective of the benefits of getting back with your H (even though it seems unlikely). Evaluate for awhile. Try reading some self-help books, *go* to a good marriage counselor by yourself, *go* to couples marriage counseling (if nothing else, to ease the separation) -- these things will be good for you, and ultimately, for your little ones.
 
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A few other thoughts:

Good people get themselves in bad situations.

Bad situations don't have to stay bad.

People *can* change if they want to.

There are many ways to survive. Honesty is the best way to *live*.

You owe yourself the best.

You owe your children the best you.

Having little ones is very tough on relationships. It will pass.

Face to face time = love. Without it, marriages fail.
 
You're good ...

Mr. Machine! GD, why do you have to make so much sense ....

I read your words and I know I have to try and make things work ... part of me doesn't want to, but I have children that need their daddy and deserve for us to try and make things work.

So much is missing, and for a long time too.

I exploded ... like a time bomb, it all just came out ... minus the OM .... I thought I would spare him that bit of information ...

I let him know how I'm feeling and for how long ... and everything that's going on in my head ... I told him that I haven't loved him for a long time and that if weren't for the four kids, I'd divorce him.

I'm hurting, because I'm hurting him, and I'm not a vengeful person ... I don't get any joy from this ...

With tears rolling down his face, He's tell me of his thoughts of suicide ... how my life would be easier if he were dead ... how we (me and the kids) are his whole life ... how much he loves me.


I told him I care about him, but there is just an emptiness and loneliness inside that I don't know if I can get it back ... or if I even want to ....

He has agreed to quit drinking ... and after 3 months, if I don't like the non-drinking person, maybe we can go through counseling.

Yes, I'm a realist ... I know that the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side ... I realize that all relationships take work and will have there ups and downs ... we're in a major down right now ... and it's easy to hear all the things that the OM is saying ... because, yes, it does feel good. I'm not abandoning my new friend ... but I'm not abandoning my H yet either. There is hope ... but I'm so confused and I don't want to make any decisions about the rest of my life yet ... so, I'll just have to wait to see how things turn out with the non-drinking H ...

In my heart ... I know the right answer is to stay with the father of my children and give them a good life (the best we can!) .... but I also know, in my heart, that I need to get to the place called Happiness, because right now, I'm lost. And I'm sucking at everything!
 
You were obviously happy together at one point. Remember what it was that made you happy. If it worked once, it will work again. Even if it doesn't it can't hurt. Don't be shy, tell him what you want him to do, what you want out of him. It sounds like he is ready to do it.
 
Jubei - I can't remember ... and we were kids ... got with him at 17 years old.... 19 years and 4 kids later....

people change, things change ....

I told him tonight ... I'm sorry for making him hurt ... he told me, "don't be".

It's a major wake up call for him.

Only time will tell.
 
BD -- that is such a huge step! You should be proud of your strength to take the steps you have. I can tell that you want to do the right thing. Things will be very confusing, and you will find yourself wavering back and forth in indecision -- particularly when your H is screwing up and driving you crazy along the way. Try to be patient and help him grow. And do what you can to make amends in your way.

Realize now that this isn't a straight line, more like two steps forward, one step back. It will be very hard, but hang onto what you know is right and good. The measure of a person's strength is how they act at their *weakest* point. There *will* be times you feel like giving up, but don't -- hang on and *fight* for what you deserve (and what your children deserve).

You *will* have to give up OM. There is *no* chance of things working while he is in the picture. If you commit yourself to making it work, then you have to commit 100% -- that means giving him up. You may not be able to think this way yet; but watch, you talk to the OM about it and he will try every manipulation to keep you -- I love you, guilt, etc. -- but they will be manipulations, you see, you are feeding his addiction to fantasy too. And attractive fantasy is very hard to give up in the face of a (temporarily) unattractive reality. Just hold onto the concept that in the real world, by the numbers, the relationship with the OM will fail because it wasn't built on strong roots and grounded in reality. Your feelings *are* real, but they're a product of unstable beginnings -- it cannot work, not in the way it is now. I know this is hard. It's turning your back on love. Albeit, "honeymoon" stage and fantasy love.

And as graphic as it seems, do you want to possibly lose the respect of your kids (they will turn against you) and the possibility of repairing your marriage over a guy you've (intimately) known for a couple months (at best)? I know you don't want to hear this, but it is truth. And I know you think it is truth by your reply above.

Now that you have taken this step, I *strongly* encourage you to go to the marriagebuilders weekend seminar -- it is a weekend seminar that talks about practical steps to making marriges work and has concrete plans of action (not just vague concepts, like "learn to communicate" ((yeah, but how?))) to get your marriage back on track. There is also an 18-week home study course that you take with you from the seminar and fax/e-mail back to marriagebuilders. I know i sound like a broken record, but I cannot tell you how valuable they are -- my wife and I have been, and had we gone sooner, it would have saved us oceans of tears.

Ultimately, listen to your gut and do right by yourself. You can never look down on yourself and kick yourself around if you do the right thing. The right thing is sometimes the hardest thing to do, and there are no guarantees, but if you listen to your gut -- not your head, not your heart, you will never be ashamed of yourself.

Please, spend some more time over at the site, hit the bulliten boards over there, *get the books* *go to the seminar* -- it's not only an investment in relationship and future, it's an investment in yourself and your family's future.

If you want me to recommend some books for him to read, let me know. And let me know if you need to talk. This is a very, very hard and delicate situation.
 
BTW, his thoughts of suicide are completely normal. He will need *a lot* of hand-holding right now. Every now and then, just hug him. It may take him time to get over it, but it will pass.

*Get him in counseling* he needs it right now (I cannot stress this enough) and most insurance plans will cover it. Tell him there is no shame in it. It's the same as when a car breaks down, you take it to a professional to fix; well, our emotions break down, take them to a professional.

Another general thought to go by -- don't worry about "winning", worry about doing what works. Once you give yourself permission not to *have* to win at all costs (much like you've given yourself permission not to make any decisions right now), life becomes *so* much easier and healthier for everybody.

It may take time, but ultimately, the more giving you are with your H, the more giving he will be back to you.

It never ceases to amaze me how all of us at times are more friendly and courteous to a complete stranger on the street than we are to those closest to us.

Protect the ones you love, become their friend, their confidant, somebody they can trust, somebody that can share their innermost feelings without the fear of scorn or dissapproval. Start from friendship again and build up.

GET BABYSITTERS!!! You and your H need *alone* time right now. Dates, dinners, dancing, face-to-face time; you can't do this in front of the TV, or with kids pulling at you.

Read about the "LOVE BANK" at MB -- it will explain a lot. It's under basic concepts I think.

You are alive, you will survive.
 
Damn MACHINE! Are you a shrink or what!?!?! This is quality stuff here, if I have probs I'm just gonna ask you!

BD--- Hang in there it sounds like you have a guy who really does care. (Your Hubby of course, not the OM!)
 
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