INSULIN conclusions

[guards]

You only need to know one thing about insulin: Don't use it.

AT BEST, the benefits are marginal, so why the fuck would anyone risk pancreatic damage, coma, edema, shock and even death for the POSSIBILITY of gaining an ounce of muscle?

This where the argument of steroid use being addictive becoes more and more legitimate. Admit it guys, you get a kick when you score. You get a kick when you inject. You get a kick when you know you got over on the man. You get a kick out of knowing you have an advantage. You get a kick out of having the balls to do something others wouldn't dare. Well, that kick is addictive and it starts to carry over to other drug use.

Nobody in their right mind will say that insulin is as powerful as testosterone. So why not do more testosterone? Because the kick is old and you have to show you have bigger balls than the next guy. That's all it is. There isn't one legitimate reason to use slin. You don't need it. But keep taking it and you will... becuause you won't have a functional pancreas.

Get big. Get strong. Stay healthy. Don't be a fool.

With all due disrespect -- anyone who uses insulin is an idiot.

I agree!!!

 

[icelandic]

I thing my body really doesn't take in carbs well otherwise limiting my gains and increasing stored fat. I became stronger and leaner with limited use.

If this is the case, don't you think you'd be better off trying to improve your body's insulin sensitivty?

I admit my ignorance in the useage of insulin, but don't you think the simple act of introducing exgenous insulin after a large intake carbs can only have a negative effect on your level of insulin sensitivity in the long run? What is it like when you come off slin, can you notice any changes in your body's metabolism?

 

[Spectre]

Icelandic; I have had my blood sugar level checked before and it has always been spot on. No diabetes in my family. I'm all ears on how to increase my sensitivity otherwise. I just don't use all that much of it, just enough for effect and no more. I've only done it 4 weeks on and 3weeks off now, but I haven't noticed any changes in my body otherwise being a little stronger and heavier while eating less post cycle. ( this isn't a long sample time nor am I a vet)

How does one increase insulin sensitivity to negate the use of insulin? Sure you can low carb then load, but that doesn't work so well when bulking.

I would really like to hear a little more from different folks both for and against backed up by some science. Not professing it's use here, just trying to get some answers.

Fonz? Ironmaster?

Thanks to all who add to the thread.

 

[Frackal]

Nelson, I realize you have alot of experience but I have to take issue with the pancreatic damage segment of your comment..... besides being a 'no brainer' .. why would you say exogenous insulin causes damage to the pancreas? You compare it to the way the HPTA is suppressed - Does that mean that taking the equivalent of a steroid with a 2 hour half life, 2x a day, 2 days a week is going to damage my HPTA ?

Also one other thing... I am not after anything here for 'the kick'..I dont get much of a kick from using insulin, and I personally hate injecting and dislike dealing with the legality risk of gear itself....my goal is to accomplish my goals, simply.

 

[icelandic]

Well if it does indeed cause pancreatic damage you are severely fucked to say the least, this is an extremely vital organ... Have you ever see the survival rates for pancreatic cancer? Really am interested to see the vets debate this one out, though.

 

[ohioguy]

I have a queston about insulin. Can't it make you fat? I've heard that if taken WRONG it can really fuck up your metabolism. How would someone have to take it to get fat? What is the WRONG way to take it?

 

[Spectre]

Ohioguy; The wrong way to take is before you do your research. Check out a post by Acneman, very informative. Good luck.

 

[Fonz]

Nelson, I realize you have alot of experience but I have to take issue with the pancreatic damage segment of your comment..... besides being a 'no brainer' .. why would you say exogenous insulin causes damage to the pancreas? You compare it to the way the HPTA is suppressed - Does that mean that taking the equivalent of a steroid with a 2 hour half life, 2x a day, 2 days a week is going to damage my HPTA ?

Also one other thing... I am not after anything here for 'the kick'..I dont get much of a kick from using insulin, and I personally hate injecting and dislike dealing with the legality risk of gear itself....my goal is to accomplish my goals, simply.

The pancreas is different from your HPTA because once it gets
suppressed its suppressed or shot for good.

There's very little margin for error.

Besides, no matter what anyone tells you THERE HAVE BEEN
NO LONG TERM STUDIES DONE ON HEALTHY ADULTS. EVER.

Fonz

 

[powerhouse7]

bump for more info-

 

[Frackal]

The pancreas is different from your HPTA because once it gets
suppressed its suppressed or shot for good.

There's very little margin for error.

Besides, no matter what anyone tells you THERE HAVE BEEN
NO LONG TERM STUDIES DONE ON HEALTHY ADULTS. EVER.

Fonz

Fonz, thank you for your comment.

A few questions.... how do you know that once the pancreas is suppressed it ceases to function? What were the circumstances involved? Was it due to insulin usage? Can I see the studies?

I realize that insulin is dangerous but there seems to be so much conflicting info out there, I have also read that insulin does not cause pancreatic damage...

What I would like to hear is how exogenus insulin causes pancreatic damage.

What I dont want to hear is because I'm asking questions, this response: "hey pal take my opinion or leave it, its your life." ... That doesnt help anyone.