INSULIN conclusions

[Spectre]

The difference between use and abuse is thin line in this game. I agree with Frackle on this one, we have many risks here that we are trying to reduce. Yes slin is dangerous but so is dbol to the misinformed. If we use a more sensible amount of AS and compliment it with a sensible dose (min required) amount of slin, doesn't that make sense? How does 2-3 times per week post workout to help recover from that awesome back or leg workout sound? I am suggesting moderation and min amounts of the compounds that we use. Use a little bit of everything, abuse nothing. Use enough of anything to get the first easy 90% of it's benifits and little of it's side or risk. Run that 250mg test/300deca week cycle with 6iu of post workout slin only for the first and last 4 weeks. Maybe run a little dbol like 10-20mg to get it's benifits without it's problems.

 

[icelandic]

Nelson or somebody....

I asked this question before in another post. Isn't there a few studies which show using insulin with your gh actuallly increase the chances of screwing up your body's glucose/insulin metabolism? One particular journal article reccomended the use of glucophage to increase insulin sensitivity. I don't have a strong background in endochrinology(sp?) but seems only logical to me that indroducing exogenous insulin into your bloodstream can only have a negative effect on insulin sensitivity over the long term....

 

[Golfer18--old]

Anyone got any studies they wanna post?

 

[Mr.Dank]

Nelson, got to back you somewhat on your post.

I know a couple of guys who've hardly juice for a year...still at the 200lb mark and they are using insulin! They are 20-22 years old.

I do beleive that there is a use for insulin...it should be used by vets that have almost maxed out on steroids and need an extra boost.

I agree!

Some kid was asking me about it at the gym. maybe 20yrs old at the most. Weighs maybe 170? Will he listen to me that he doesnt need it and it will do nothing but give him sides? Probably not. If it works for others that weigh 250-300lbs shredded, It obviously the secret thats gonna get him big. fucking dumbass.........

 

[Nelson Montana]

Icelandic. I can't cite any particular studies but knowing what insulin and GH do and how they do it, the conclusion is fairly obvious.

Spectre: You make a cogent argument, but the risk/benefit ratio of d-bol compared to insulin is so extreme it makes the comparison invalid.

 

[Fonz]

Frackal: To answer you questions:

1...Damage to the pancreas is a no brainer. And with the influx of any exogeneous substance/hormone, endogenous production slows down. Now that's bad enough with the HPTA, but at least it's resiliant and supression won't kill you. No pancreas = no life. Not to mention, the more you use, the more likely of developing diabetes -- or in the least, a less effiecient pancreas.

2...The dormant muscle cell theory benefit is a stretch, at best. Benificial to ecomorphs? So is a lot of food. What's ironic is that you hear so much about cutting carbs on these boards. Hell, carbs release insulin! Bulking up with carbs is easy -- but it should be good carbs and most people ignore the best carb of all -- lactose.

3...Sure, less is better than more. But nobody ever died from an OD of testosterone. (The oil will kill you before the hormone does) Why the fuck would you mess around with something so lethal? You're afraid of losing some HAIR??!?! Come on man!

Lots of guys got big without insulin. Only the pros who finish in the top ten need to be bigger than everybody else. Are you in the top ten?

Eat big. Lift big. And yes, roids will help. Insulin is a suckers game. Just my opinion bro. I ain't saying it for any other reason than I hope it keeps somebody from hurting themselves.

I actually agree with you here.

Even though I'm of the mindset of, to each his own, Insulin
BY ITSELF IS NOT ANABOLIC AT ALL.

Bet that surprises a lot of you huh?

Fonz

 

[icelandic]

Icelandic. I can't cite any particular studies but knowing what insulin and GH do and how they do it, the conclusion is fairly obvious.

Forgive my lack of knowledge here, but what conclusion is that? Is there really that much of a synergism between the two? Or do you feel that using slin is just idiotic regardless of gh use ?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Icelandic: Since GH will enhance the rate in which carbs are burned it make the combination doubly dangerous.

And Fonz is right, insulin alone isn't anabolic. And even in the presense of protein and carbs, or even steroids, the additional anabolic effect is minimal at best.

 

[icelandic]

Ok thanks for clearing that up.... I always felt using slin was like playing with fire. Im pretty sure I ran across some studies which contraindicted the usage of insulin with gh, but I know of one local hospital that always administers slin with gh for short statured children. Oh well, no one should place too much trust in most doctors these days.

 

[Spectre]

Hello Nelson, I think the argument is valid sir. You ever heard of a kid buying a pack of a 1000 dbol and running it until it's gone? I have. How could that be safer than 12-16 shots every other month of a sensible amount of insulin? I am not a zealot about insulin, if I observed some conclusive evidence of the harm at a moderate usage, by all means I would cease it's use. I respond very well to insulin, I thing my body really doesn't take in carbs well otherwise limiting my gains and increasing stored fat. I became stronger and leaner with limited use.

Fonz; If food is 'anabolic' and insulin allows you uptake more food, wouldn't it be in a way anabolic? Or are we getting some stuff mixed up here?

Nandi where are you?

With respect,