I will Not Marry the White WALES of the USA

[Bikini Mod]

You are confused and rightly so, because you are overmatched in this debate. They are two seperate arguments which you are confusing with each other. One argument addressed contractual marriage, and marrying an equal. The equal has to either be equal in wealth for a contractual marriage or equal in virtue for a marriage borne of love. The argument about contractual marriage was to either A: marry an equal, or B: contractually ensure that greed isn't the primary motivating factor in the marriage and sign a prenup.

I think you have a personal problem with this. Did someone pass you over for a mail order bride at one time? Or are you just a fanatical women's liber, who can't possibly understand that some women are perfectly happy raising a family, and caring for a home and their man. You seem to have a great deal of pent up hostility against this phenomena. I'd like to know why.

You really don't know what you are talking about either, and most of your claims are bogus. You are all opinion, and you don't back any of your claims up with any facts. If you want to be intellectually dishonest to attempt to win a debate go ahead, but don't be shocked when you are called on it.

Why don't you EVER hear these guys talking about Japanese, German, Australian, French, Spanish mail order brides. Why?

IT IS BECAUSE THEY DONT EXIST.

http://www.ajapaneseprincess.com/
http://www.bridesagency.com/german-brides.html
http://www.1000mailorderbrides.com/Australian_mail_order_brides/
http://www.1000mailorderbrides.com/French_mail_order_brides/
http://www.latin-wife.com/photo_profile.asp

Anyways, if you did 30 seconds of research to back up any of your foolish claims you wouldn't have made them. I hope your books aren't this poorly researched. There are mail order brides for every nationality and just about any country you'd want.

The reason some men choose to go the mail order bride route isn't because they are defective, they see American women and their bitchy, domineering attitudes as defective, and they want someone raised up in a culture that still practices respect and honor, in a culture that still values home life as the most important contribution to a society.

You talk to a Russian woman for instance, and they'll tell you how they love children, gardening, cooking and taking care of a house, and loving her man.

An American woman, talks about clothes, jewelry, credit cards, expensive toys, and sports cars, and leaving her man when she is bored with him, or he falls on hard times.

It's nothing more than a lifestyle choice, and for these men that choose mail order brides, they are choosing to try to find someone that isn't tainted by American Greed, Arrogance, Selfishness, and a LACK OF VIRTUE.

You readily admit Americans, women and men have this flaw, yet chastise men for recognizing this, and choosing to look elsewhere to avoid this problem.

Of course, that somehow is offensive to you. Maybe its because you value clothes, jewelry, credit cards, expensive toys, and sports cars more than you do raising a family and keeping a good happy home.

LOL

I skimmed over your post because it is so utterly ridiculous.

I value credit cards and jewelry? Goes to show how much you know. You chose a spouse based on the fact that marrying her was a financially lateral move (YOU SAID THAT... NOT ME).

I married a man with NO MONEY and NO ASSETS. But I have never hid the fact that if I didn't believe he was a man of the kind of caliber who could recover would I have given him the time of day?

FUCK NO... And neither would he expect me to. As I would never have expected him to pursue and marry me if I was not also an exceptional female in every respect of the word.

I was raised as an Eastern European so I know everything there is to know about traditional family values, how to raise children, make sure that whatever money my man brings home is *enough* and how to cook, clean, not only sew, but embroider, how to paint easter eggs, sing and dance traditional folk songs and dance. I am completely bi-lingual and know how to *get on* in two other languages, AND in addition to all this, more money has passed through MY company bank account this month alone than most American men make all year.

So NOW WHAT?

Oh yea... I am SUH-MOKIN hot.

So sorry - gloves are off - you have NO CLUE who you are talking to.

Fact is MOST American men are seen by women who are in dire economic straits in their countries as a GREEN CARD and CASH... as MOST AMERICANS period are looked down upon by the rest of the planet as they are ego-centric and think that the United States is not *the best* country... but THE ONLY COUNTRY. I did not say ALL... I said MOST.

I've not confused a damned thing, but clearly you have confused much being the typical tunnel visioned American that you seem to be.

Good for you to think that YOUR assets are safe because you made a lateral economic move marrying a woman with like assets. I hope you have a long and happy marriage. (no sarcasm)....

American men are funny creatures as they think they are so sought after by women from the rest of the world because the US is so great.

Websites? LOL Interesting, when the men here quoted where THE BEST mail order brides were from, they did not state Japan, Germany, Spain, France, Australia. Why do YOU think that is?

You were correct, I suppose that they do exist. You get brownie points for your google search. Interesting though the majority of the sites stated that the brides were from one place but then you see ads for women from China, Phillipines, South America... There are exceptions to every rule but you really look silly when posting those links as if they support some sort of legitimate arguement.

I wonder why no one else has heard of them?

Bully for you for finding them.

As for my books... research? Ummmm combined research of my husband and I having dating internationally for bout 10 years (at least between us), Radio show intervies as well as in person interviews and a WHOLE LOT of common sense... not that hard.

I don't feel the need to justify my marriage. Why do you feel the need to justify yours?

I know exactly why my husband married me and he knows why I married him. Money and sex were important (no shit) but they were far from the deciding factor - as he HAD ZERO money and I am sick often.

Fact is if you think you have personally found the key to success for ANYONE to find the dating situation they seek via the web... go for it. Write a book of your own.

In my book I've not downed people of either gender, religion, race, color, ethnicity, culture, age or socio-economic background. But discuss very real, easy to understand methods for people to use the web to find one another and make the most of whatever situation it is that they are seeking by being HONEST... WITH THEMSELVES AND ONE ANOTHER.

The women here before me have already indicated that the thread's author is a bobo... For you to even attempt to defend his point of view is, well, SILLY. But please do go on if it makes you feel better.

Good thing you let all the rest of the men know how they can protect THEIR ASSETS... while pretending they don't believe that is ALL they have to offer those gold-digging whore American whales... LMFAO

I still find it hilarious that it is perfectly OK for a man to state that he refuses to marry a WHALE but it is somehow a terrible indicator of some egregious character flaw for a woman to openly state she refuses to give her time to a man of caliber that is unacceptable to HER ie He isn't smart and strong enough to provide the lifestyle in which she wants to live.

Note - if she can attain that for herself (as more and more women are doing around the world) then WTF does she NEED or want a man? Hell, as long as she has batteries men are more of a hindrance then they are spmething that is to be desired.... no?

Japan has been experiencing ZERO population growth for many years. I will give you 3 guesses why that is and the first 2 don't count.... for so many women to CHOOSE to forego their strongest biological urge something MUST BE pretty freaking awfull.... but those same women will raise a family for an American man?

You must be high.

Did the men here honestly think that women from all OVER the world would read this thread and NOT take offense to being reduced to chattle?



Goodness... some men must be more limited than others.

If you don't want women to treat you like a wallet, then for heaven's sake... STOP ACTING LIKE ONE.

 

[Caleb's Tree]

LOL

I skimmed over your post because it is so utterly ridiculous.

I value credit cards and jewelry? Goes to show how much you know. You chose a spouse based on the fact that marrying her was a financially lateral move (YOU SAID THAT... NOT ME).

I married a man with NO MONEY and NO ASSETS. But I have never hid the fact that if I didn't believe he was a man of the kind of caliber who could recover would I have given him the time of day?

FUCK NO... And neither would he expect me to. As I would never have expected him to pursue and marry me if I was not also an exceptional female in every respect of the word.

I was raised as an Eastern European so I know everything there is to know about traditional family values, how to raise children, make sure that whatever money my man brings home is *enough* and how to cook, clean, not only sew, but embroider, how to paint easter eggs, sing and dance traditional folk songs and dance. I am completely bi-lingual and know how to *get on* in two other languages, AND in addition to all this, more money has passed through MY company bank account this month alone than most American men make all year.

So NOW WHAT?

Oh yea... I am SUH-MOKIN hot.

So sorry - gloves are off - you have NO CLUE who you are talking to.

Fact is MOST American men are seen by women who are in dire economic straits in their countries as a GREEN CARD and CASH... as MOST AMERICANS period are looked down upon by the rest of the planet as they are ego-centric and think that the United States is not *the best* country... but THE ONLY COUNTRY. I did not say ALL... I said MOST.

I've not confused a damned thing, but clearly you have confused much being the typical tunnel visioned American that you seem to be.

Good for you to think that YOUR assets are safe because you made a lateral economic move marrying a woman with like assets. I hope you have a long and happy marriage. (no sarcasm)....

American men are funny creatures as they think they are so sought after by women from the rest of the world because the US is so great.

Websites? LOL Interesting, when the men here quoted where THE BEST mail order brides were from, they did not state Japan, Germany, Spain, France, Australia. Why do YOU think that is?

You were correct, I suppose that they do exist. You get brownie points for your google search. Interesting though the majority of the sites stated that the brides were from one place but then you see ads for women from China, Phillipines, South America... There are exceptions to every rule but you really look silly when posting those links as if they support some sort of legitimate arguement.

I wonder why no one else has heard of them?

Bully for you for finding them.

As for my books... research? Ummmm combined research of my husband and I having dating internationally for bout 10 years (at least between us), Radio show intervies as well as in person interviews and a WHOLE LOT of common sense... not that hard.

I don't feel the need to justify my marriage. Why do you feel the need to justify yours?

I know exactly why my husband married me and he knows why I married him. Money and sex were important (no shit) but they were far from the deciding factor - as he HAD ZERO money and I am sick often.

Fact is if you think you have personally found the key to success for ANYONE to find the dating situation they seek via the web... go for it. Write a book of your own.

In my book I've not downed people of either gender, religion, race, color, ethnicity, culture, age or socio-economic background. But discuss very real, easy to understand methods for people to use the web to find one another and make the most of whatever situation it is that they are seeking by being HONEST... WITH THEMSELVES AND ONE ANOTHER.

The women here before me have already indicated that the thread's author is a bobo... For you to even attempt to defend his point of view is, well, SILLY. But please do go on if it makes you feel better.

Good thing you let all the rest of the men know how they can protect THEIR ASSETS... while pretending they don't believe that is ALL they have to offer those gold-digging whore American whales... LMFAO

I still find it hilarious that it is perfectly OK for a man to state that he refuses to marry a WHALE but it is somehow a terrible indicator of some egregious character flaw for a woman to openly state she refuses to give her time to a man of caliber that is unacceptable to HER ie He isn't smart and strong enough to provide the lifestyle in which she wants to live.

Note - if she can attain that for herself (as more and more women are doing around the world) then WTF does she NEED or want a man? Hell, as long as she has batteries men are more of a hindrance then they are spmething that is to be desired.... no?

Japan has been experiencing ZERO population growth for many years. I will give you 3 guesses why that is and the first 2 don't count.... for so many women to CHOOSE to forego their strongest biological urge something MUST BE pretty freaking awfull.... but those same women will raise a family for an American man?

You must be high.

Did the men here honestly think that women from all OVER the world would read this thread and NOT take offense to being reduced to chattle?



Goodness... some men must be more limited than others.

If you don't want women to treat you like a wallet, then for heaven's sake... STOP ACTING LIKE ONE.

All your points are invalid based upon this one statement.

"more money has passed through MY company bank account this month alone than most American men make all year."

You are already tainted by greed and the acquisition of wealth, and a woman like you is the prime reason men look for women that were raised outside of the American Culture of Consumerism. A culture I might add, that you repeatedly criticize and rail against.

By the way, I thank your man must be emasculated to live with such a peach like you. He sounds more like a pet, than a husband. At least that's the way you've described him. He must like being a "kept man."

Lastly, your hypocracy makes reading your posts unbearable. You claim in the below referenced quote:


In my book I've not downed people of either gender, religion, race, color, ethnicity, culture, age or socio-economic background. But discuss very real, easy to understand methods for people to use the web to find one another and make the most of whatever situation it is that they are seeking by being HONEST... WITH THEMSELVES AND ONE ANOTHER.

Yet in here on elite in this thread, you show your true colors that you are discriminatory, and prejudiced against people who would chose to use the web to seek out foreign brides. You claim not to be biggoted, but you clearly are a bigot. Oh you offer advice apparently on internet dating, but only if these people want to marry Americans. If they want to marry a foreign woman, they are defective.

I think you just shot your own credibility to hell.

Game, Set.....Match.

 

[Bikini Mod]

LOL

YOU were the one who began talking about money as if that were the only thing you had to offer a woman, even gave advice to other men about how they can protect their assets - you said, marry up or marry a woman who has equivalent assets, so I responded in kind.

I am not bigoted... AMERICANS ARE... LOL

Any American man who rejects the women of his own country because he thinks that he is *so much better* than the women are is the biggest fool of al as he refuses to realize that the foreign women of poorer countries only see him as A WALLET and GREENCARD.

Did I read this online?

No... I LIVE IT.

I am an American born European raised woman. I have also lived abroad and my sister left the United States to return to our country (not to mention the fact that my husband has lived on nearly every continent) so I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. This thread only backs why the rest of the world laughs at many Americans. Any American man who would reject the women of his own country because *the are whales* (naaaaaaaaaaah that don't mean that men value beauty far more than anything else ) and they aren't subservient enough are laughably defective.

I am not the only woman who has posted on this thread to express my utter disgust for American dumbass men who REALLY fool themselves into thinking that poorer Asian/European women will abandon their entire lives for anything other than ECONOMIC GAIN is ridiculous. Get this... ok? The majority of the rest of the world LOOKS DOWN ON AMERICANS so now, why do you think these women would marry an American DUMBASS?

It's a shame really... and not really the fault of MOST Americans. They can't help how tunnel visioned they really are. I mean they are socialized from early childhood to actually believe that the US IS the center of the universe. So they truly believe this... The majority are arrogant and foolish.

So now - take a look at the original post on this thread - how FUCKING arrogant... and the rest of the men who join in are equally foolish.

You shot your credibility to hell with your very first post on this thread. I didn't have to say a damned thing.

Your welcome!!!

And as for my book discriminating against anyone - ummmmm - did you read it yet? Then how can you make such a RIDICULOUS statement.

My husband and I dated online ALL OVER THE WORLD... so now what? My book even addresses the issues of warning American men about the pitfalls of FAKE foreign bride dating sites. They are called by those in the know as "Hairy Igors" for obvious reasons.

doh

Who did the game set and match belong to?

Oh yea... THAT WOULD BE ME.

But you are still welcome.

 

[Caleb's Tree]

LOL

YOU were the one who began talking about money as if that were the only thing you had to offer a woman, even gave advice to other men about how they can protect their assets - you said, marry up or marry a woman who has equivalent assets, so I responded in kind.

I am not bigoted... AMERICANS ARE... LOL

Any American man who rejects the women of his own country because he thinks that he is *so much better* than the women are is the biggest fool of al as he refuses to realize that the foreign women of poorer countries only see him as A WALLET and GREENCARD.

Did I read this online?

No... I LIVE IT.

I am an American born European raised woman. I have also lived abroad and my sister left the United States to return to our country (not to mention the fact that my husband has lived on nearly every continent) so I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. This thread only backs why the rest of the world laughs at many Americans. Any American man who would reject the women of his own country because *the are whales* (naaaaaaaaaaah that don't mean that men value beauty far more than anything else ) and they aren't subservient enough are laughably defective.

I am not the only woman who has posted on this thread to express my utter disgust for American dumbass men who REALLY fool themselves into thinking that poorer Asian/European women will abandon their entire lives for anything other than ECONOMIC GAIN is ridiculous. Get this... ok? The majority of the rest of the world LOOKS DOWN ON AMERICANS so now, why do you think these women would marry an American DUMBASS?

It's a shame really... and not really the fault of MOST Americans. They can't help how tunnel visioned they really are. I mean they are socialized from early childhood to actually believe that the US IS the center of the universe. So they truly believe this... The majority are arrogant and foolish.

So now - take a look at the original post on this thread - how FUCKING arrogant... and the rest of the men who join in are equally foolish.

You shot your credibility to hell with your very first post on this thread. I didn't have to say a damned thing.

Your welcome!!!

And as for my book discriminating against anyone - ummmmm - did you read it yet? Then how can you make such a RIDICULOUS statement.

My husband and I dated online ALL OVER THE WORLD... so now what? My book even addresses the issues of warning American men about the pitfalls of FAKE foreign bride dating sites. They are called by those in the know as "Hairy Igors" for obvious reasons.

doh

Who did the game set and match belong to?

Oh yea... THAT WOULD BE ME.

But you are still welcome.

I didn't say your book discriminated, I said your posts in this forum did, which is a contradiction from what you wrote in your book. You are contradicting yourself. You claim that the American male digusts you, and claim how you are proud of your "European" upbringing, while you chastise, the American Male, for agreeing with you, that Americans are arrogant, ill mannered, and unacceptable by some to be worthy mates.

This is where I am getting at with you. Not only are you biggoted, but you are hypocritical as evidenced below.

The majority of the rest of the world LOOKS DOWN ON AMERICANS so now, why do you think these women would marry an American DUMBASS?

Many do and want to marry Americans. It does not matter that you hold to a skewed view of what the rest of the world actually thinks about America, or American men.

I mean they are socialized from early childhood to actually believe that the US IS the center of the universe. So they truly believe this... The majority are arrogant and foolish.

If "the majority of the world LOOKS DOWN ON AMERICANS, and most Americans have "tunnel vision," and most Americans men and women, "believe that the US IS the center of the universe," and most Americans, men and women, are "arrogant and foolish," then why would you hypocritically chastise some men for wanting something other than an American woman?

I see nothing wrong with it. You already see Americans as being defective, let alone those who want foreign brides so why would you tell a man that looking for a woman who isn't tainted by the American culture you so readily denigrate, that he is defective? I think the defectiveness is in your thinking, because you are narrow minded and just can't see outside the box, nor past your own prejudices, and stereotypical narrow minded thinking.

The icing on top of the cake though is your admittance that you dated online all over the world....LOL....yet somehow everyone else but you is defective for doing this.

 

[Bikini Mod]

I didn't say your book discriminated, I said your posts in this forum did, which is a contradiction from what you wrote in your book. You are contradicting yourself. You claim that the American male digusts you, and claim how you are proud of your "European" upbringing, while you chastise, the American Male, for agreeing with you, that Americans are arrogant, ill mannered, and unacceptable by some to be worthy mates.

This is where I am getting at with you. Not only are you biggoted, but you are hypocritical as evidenced below.

The majority of the rest of the world LOOKS DOWN ON AMERICANS so now, why do you think these women would marry an American DUMBASS?

Many do and want to marry Americans. It does not matter that you hold to a skewed view of what the rest of the world actually thinks about America, or American men.

I mean they are socialized from early childhood to actually believe that the US IS the center of the universe. So they truly believe this... The majority are arrogant and foolish.

If "the majority of the world LOOKS DOWN ON AMERICANS, and most Americans have "tunnel vision," and most Americans men and women, "believe that the US IS the center of the universe," and most Americans, men and women, are "arrogant and foolish," then why would you hypocritically chastise some men for wanting something other than an American woman?

I see nothing wrong with it. You already see Americans as being defective, let alone those who want foreign brides so why would you tell a man that looking for a woman who isn't tainted by the American culture you so readily denigrate, that he is defective? I think the defectiveness is in your thinking, because you are narrow minded and just can't see outside the box, nor past your own prejudices, and stereotypical narrow minded thinking.

The icing on top of the cake though is your admittance that you dated online all over the world....LOL....yet somehow everyone else but you is defective for doing this.

I only look down on dumbass American men, like the ones who began and encouraged this thread.

That isn't being hypocritical. That is called healthy self-esteem. LMAO

But please do go on.

 

[drsketch]

SHould change the title to:

I too lame to find vag in america so I have to buy some from other country

 

[jnef]

SHould change the title to:

I too lame to find vag in america so I have to buy some from other country

lol at buying a wife...

 

[Bikini Mod]

SHould change the title to:

I too lame to find vag in america so I have to buy some from other country

WERD my brother... WERD.

What I was saying all along, but since I have a vagina I am merely a man-hating, hypocrite.

No self-respecting American man would EVER put HIS failures on those of the women of his country.

 

[Bikini Mod]

lol at buying a wife...

Hey... didn't you see all the *superior* American males posting up about how YOU can protect your money... as if THAT is all you have to offer a woman?

Any man who buys a wife gets exactly what he paid for. Just as it is with any woman who THINKS that a guy who is interested in her young dumb tight coochie will be pay-rolling her hair and nails forever...

Yes men value beauty and women value security HOWEVER - ALL ELSE stems from this.

In other words if one doesn't *get* that this is where it starts, but believes that *this* is where it finishes is ridiculously silly.

So now ladies and gentlemen, game set and match belongs to those of us who have a clue.

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

I have dated women from most every country that has white/hispanic non round eyed women.

I never "bought" one. Women that have been raised with values are raised with values, those that weren't same applies. I like European women because they are
1 not fat
2 not stupid
3 can speak more than 3 languages usually more
4 are not fat
5 look for someone that can take care of them without a beat down every time they walk by (here on this forum I think that would be the case, most of the posts are angry little boys)
6 they actually look good without makeup or baggy hanging clothes.

You that think you have to protect your assets from a foreign woman have none to protect bt are just e rich or e smart.

have a nice day.

BM u r dead on