I got better results off PH than AS!

[Studly Hungwell]

Re: Re: I got better results off PH than AS!

What brand of test cyp did you inject? What was your injection frequency? What brand of ox did you ingest? What was your ingestion frequency?
Ttokkyo test 250mgs. a week. 40mg generic anavar ed.
Your AS cycle was 6 weeks?
Still on so its more like 10 now.
You say your diet was the exact same? How many calories per day did you take in, exactly? What were your protein/fat/carb ratios? You keep a food diary to support that your diet was the same, correct?
2500-3000 cals a day and close to a gram of protein per body weight
Did you follow the same sleep patterns? Have you had any additional stress in your life? Did you come off either cycle with clomid/nolva? Did you you use liquidex concurrent w/ your AS cycle?
Using all accessories by the book. I'm an old juicer bro, I did not just get off the banana boat. I eat, sleep, and train in a pattern that works for me. I'm looking for the lean, Men's Health magazine cover look. Actually I'm pretty much there.
Were you training the same way as you were last time? How was your strength on the AS cycle vs the PH cycle? What were your beginning and end measurements? What was your beginning and end bodyfat percentages on both cycles (not guesses, but actual measurements)?

My strength went up by a few reps on compound movements while on AS. A FEW REPS!!! That is the disssapointment. I don't use trinkets or tape measure. I weigh myself and look in the mirror and be honest. Nothing really to jump for joy since being on AS post PH cycle.

 

[Thaibox]

Studly
This isn't a flame but I just don't like the way you presented this, its not supported at all.

I used high dosage in the past. All I can say: Higher the climb, harder the fall.

You need to learn how to use gear. At my highest level cycle(which by most standards was not high), I gained 28 lbs and kept 24. Being 240 at the start, that's a significant gain of lean muscle.

May-June I took 600mgs. AD-1 for 5 weeks. 8 pound weight gain, strength up around 30 pounds on compound movements. Kept all but a few pounds post HCG/clomid.

8 pounds isn't much at all. Simply changing a routine and diet could stimulate that much growth.

I waited one month. It may be due to the fact that I've done three cycles in the past two years using three times more gear on each.

You need to wait longer

You didn't answer any of Machine's questions.......................?

Fortes.......

Winstrol, on a qualitatively similar dose (say 75 mg of winny a day vs. 600 mg 1-AD a day) will not give you better gains in strength or size,

Most of what you said makes sense, and you sound intelligent enough to support yourself. However, this statement is complete bullshit. Have you ever tried Winny? Aside from Fina, out of everything I have tried, I have gotten the best strength response from 100winny/day. I have used it twice(the first time at 50/day).

Just to qualify myself, I'm not against PHs at all, I actually am putting together 8 weeks worth as we speak. It would be foolish to disregard something like the current PHs.

 

[Testoman]

PH's are better than AAS? Haha, maybe if you get some fake AAS sh&% then you might have point...

Testoman

 

[Aussie Juga naught]

You must of had fake gear...

 

[Thaibox]

Wonder why he hasn't responded

 

[Studly Hungwell]

I answered all of Machines questions. Look at the quote box; its screwed up I know, but the answers are there.

You are 240? What is your bf? I tried bulking cycles and kept gains to a decent level in the past, and you know what? I LOOKED AND FELT LIKE CRAP!!!!

I'll say again: Lean look, bigger than average is what I'm aiming for. With that in mind, I don't expect to gain 28 pounds and keep 24. I have a life outside the gym that i enjoy that may be considered a no no to the size matters crowd: Tennis, racketball, running, cycling, etc.

Don't forget the varing degree of genetics on this board aside from goals.

I don't think anyone here has gear use down to an exact science. Through my use I have gotten gains without horrendous side effects. To say I need to learn how to use gear is pure arrogance. To say my gear is fake is more reason to go PH and drop AS for good.

 

[Thaibox]

My response wasn't arogance. I said you need how to use gear in response to your statement of "the higher the climb the harder the fall." This just isn't true anymore. If you educate yourself and bust your ass, you won't take a dump. If your gear was fake, its not "more reason to go PH and drop AS for good." It simply means you need a better source.

I meant machine's specific questions about your gear

No I'm not 240, I'm 260 low bf. I was 240 before. I look and feel the best I ever have. I eat clean and train hard.

I think the problem here is this........

I have a life outside the gym that i enjoy that may be considered a no no to the size matters crowd: Tennis, racketball, running, cycling, etc.

I don't . We just have different priorities, thats all.

With respect to genetics, I started at 140 lbs clothed.

Anyway, sounds like a pissing match, sorry.

 

[Magnússon]

let me see, test or precusors of test, I wonder which one will yield better results

 

[Studly Hungwell]

Its all good Thaibox. My genetic disposition will allow so much. I know this of myself being in the game for years on end. If I juice and eat, eat, eat, train my ass off to a respectable 225 Ibs; I know my body will rebel and sail very fast to the 200Ib mark. I usuall hang around 185-190 naturally if I want to look good at the beach. I can juice light and look good at 198, loose 5 pounds after cycle and still be OK looking IMO.

Thats what i mean about the high climb and the hard fall. 5 pounds vs. 25. Its true for me.

MAG, I'll help you out bud: AS vs. PH
1) customs got my shit
2) my source turned scammer
3) should i sign? worried about controlled delivery
4) Got fake gear and its making me sick
5) Feds want to ask me a few questions
The list goes on. Oh sure all you have to do is be careful.
Cruise the anabolic board. If its not one thing its another and its way more common for my taste. Its getting old and i had my fun so I'm going to use what i got left and its PH from here on out. Peace.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

let me see, test or precusors of test, I wonder which one will yield better results

If you took the precursor in a dose that allowed for more testosterone in your blood than what you were doing with the injectable, the PH would obviously work better...