I don't understand Ashcroft (or other conservatives)

[str8manwithadickinhisass]

When I speak of a man with standards, I am describing him as a man that stands for what is right despite what is popular or contemporary. Ashcroft is sort of a throwback because he believes in values that were common back in the 40's and 50's.

The whole problem I have is that Ashcroft's morality crusade is that it's so phony. I'm sure the man has enjoyed Playboy or Hustler more than once in his life. He probably enjoyed a lot of premarital sex and smoked a lot of weed through the 60's. Now that he's too hold to get an erection he decides to crusade against nudity and declare himself holier than thou. It's just so FAKE!

 

[Lao Tzu]

BTW Omega,
The Dems are fiscally conservative? Since when? The Democratic party has never met a tax they didn't like. The have spent every dollar they can find--and then some. It is like a sickness for them---they cannot stop. I laugh when I hear libs claim that President Reagan is responsible for the public debt of the late 80's & early 90's. Ronald Reagan was responsible for the huge increase in federal tax income through his broad tax cuts, and the Democrats outspent every dollar the government took in, leaving a mess that Presient Bush had to fix--just in time for Clinton to take credit for it. All fact and easily confirmed.

Someone back this statement up please. It is my understanding that Ronald Reagan & Bush 4x the national debt. 900 billion to 4 trillion.

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm

we spend $380 billion annually paying interest on the national debt, which to me is just a form of welfare for the wealthy (giving $380 billion a year to rich bankers). I am trying to be unpartisan (i'm not really a democrat, but i'm a radical left winger) but it appears that bush & reagan expanded the debt, and as a result added about $260 billion a year in taxes to pay off the interest.

I love the national debt btw. We pay tons of money to the gov. so the gov. can give us our own money back, and bankers pocket a large percentage every year of it. Its somewhat humerous.

 

[aurelius]

Hitler stood for wrong. Aschcroft stands for right.

As if there is a fixed notion of what that means.

You think Hitler was a man of Convictions??? I disagree.

He most certainly had convictions. Jews are the enemy. Strengthen the military. Aryan race superiority. Communism is the enemy.

These are convicitons every one, my friend.

 

[gymnpoppa]

I just can't understand how ANYONE can support EITHER of these parties....

Me EITHER, they're both known LIARS, which therefore gives them no integrity. Which, in these times, a honest, non hypocritical government is needed to manage the country, and improve the welfare of all of the country, not just the RICH.


They're both CORRUPT........constantly interchanging public office for companies who do business with the government, so there is ALWAYS a conflict of interest for the American people.


Both use the lunatic logic that well, "the other one is worst."

 

[aurelius]

When I speak of a man with standards, I am describing him as a man that stands for what is right despite what is popular or contemporary. Ashcroft is sort of a throwback because he believes in values that were common back in the 40's and 50's.

Overlooked this one. You must tell me what "values" you are talking about.

This should be interesting...

 

[huntmaster]

Overlooked this one. You must tell me what "values" you are talking about.

This should be interesting...

1. sanctity of the family.

2. sanctity of life.

3. reverance for Christ

These are a few of the 'values' that Ashcroft stands for that make him unpopular. These are the same values that caused Dan Quayle to fall victim to the liberal media. In Quayle's casa, many people took the line that the media fed them and thought that he was an idiot, when in reality he is a good man and a strong leader and would make a great president. Ashcroft is also a good man who believes in many good old fashioned family values that make him unpopular today. These values that make him unpopular are the same traits that make him the great man that he is. These values were descriptive of main stream America back in the 40's and 50's----and then the 60's happened and then the 70's and here we are arguing if there is a true meaning to the words: 'right' and 'values'

 

[huntmaster]

The whole problem I have is that Ashcroft's morality crusade is that it's so phony. I'm sure the man has enjoyed Playboy or Hustler more than once in his life. He probably enjoyed a lot of premarital sex and smoked a lot of weed through the 60's. Now that he's too hold to get an erection he decides to crusade against nudity and declare himself holier than thou. It's just so FAKE!

this quote represents all that is wrong with America. People think that everyone is 'doing it', so its OK. This is what has got us where we are today in moral decline.

You Assume So Much. You realize these are just Assumptions here, dont you? They have no foundation.

 

[gymnpoppa]

Prove his reverence for Christ.



What aspect of religion is he following? In his methods of LYING, circumventing laws, restricting American citzens civil liberties in the name of national security.


I liken that to a time when George Bush wasn't a politician, he owned part of the Rangers, and the times up until Sept 11th, religion was NOT a part of his dialogue.

I also like the lack of response he fumbled with when Reilly asked him what would Jesus think of your number of executions in Texas as governor.

Just like bush, asscroft is using religion, and other "values" which by the way, you're right, we have morally decayed from....
but when your repub party's christian leader owns a racehorse, and publicly states that he's only fascinated with watching them run..........yet won't denounce gambling at the tracks, there is no credibility there. Sorry I'm not buying the shit they're shoveling....................

 

[Longhorn85]

Re: Re: I don't understand Ashcroft (or other conservatives)

would some independent man/woman please stand up for the people!

I find that statement to be ironic since most who claim to be independent or moderate don't "stand" for much at all in terms of ideas. It's more like, lick the finger, hold it up and see which way the wind is blowing today.

The freest and most powerful country in the world (the US) has a two party system because that is what works best. General conservative ideology vs General liberal ideology are the two camps most thinking Americans fall into.

 

[gymnpoppa]

Re: Re: Re: I don't understand Ashcroft (or other conservatives)

I find that statement to be ironic since most who claim to be independent or moderate don't "stand" for much at all in terms of ideas. It's more like, lick the finger, hold it up and see which way the wind is blowing today.

The freest and most powerful country in the world (the US) has a two party system because that is what works best. General conservative ideology vs General liberal ideology are the two camps most thinking Americans fall into.

Well, seeing as how most who are truly independent are rarely heard...who are you listening to? explain who you're talking about. Which independent, and which moderates...even though I didn't mention anything about moderates.


As for standing for something, being part of a corrupt system is nothing to crow about. I don't care if you do two things right, and turn your head when unethical, immoral, hypocritical behavior happens.......that's nothing to be proud of.

On my extended stays(in other countries) in the past, (and any future ones), I engage in conversations with people, and it's amazing how they can know so much about our dirty work around the world, and americans don't, or refuse to believe we could be part of such behavior.

Actually, it is downright embarrassing.

Probably not to you though huh?


And you're right, most Americans do fall into those camps.

That is a reflection on the ignorance, lack of education, immaturity, indifferent attitudes of the public. Not because they make intelligent decisions about corrupt politicians.....Most don't care about what happens to their next door neighbor, let alone how shi**y a job the government is doing......unless it affects them directly, and continously. Even then, most are too uneducated to do a damn thing about it.