how to brake the ice with this girl i know?

[bigtasty25]

okay...there's this major italian/latino tanned out hottie that goes to my gym...5'6 120 maybe but very toned/slightly muscular...very, very hot...about my age..mid 20s...so we've talked once when i was a week out from my show (she was near me on a machine)...and i noticed a chemistry "click"...which is rare...so im getting ready for my show the next few weeks and am kinda agitated so dont talk to many ppl (including her)...although we said hi to each other a few times leading up to the show. Well after my show i see her on the stairmaster, we have a really nice chat, and wow...this girl really is something...smart, sweet, gorgeous, caring...she seems pefect (from what i know so far at least).

So it's been a few weeks since then and im now bulking and sometimes i look a bit bloated and she doesnt seem too interested in talking when im lifting heavy ass weight, all aggressive since im on alot of fina/mast/deca/test. (i think she likes the sweeter type girls...which i am, but on these androgens it kinda hides that fact at times when i workout). For some reason when i workout, she always happens to be near me, i find alot of times she comes near me to workout, but doesnt look at me or start a convo...but she is with some girls so i dont wanna stop her convo (i prefer to talk to a girl by herself not with a bunch of teeny boppers she was with). And sometimes i come near her n workout but im so focused on my workout that i have tunnel vision and dont really say anything..and she looks directly at me quite a bit sometimes. So we still just say "hi" to each other a few times a week...she has the same workout schedule timing as me... the last few times i said hi (being very nice, polite, assertive/confident) but she just sais "ugh..yeah...im so tired these days" and walks away..)...and well..today i come into the gym all tanned out, and much less bloated, and looking great...and well, i workout 20 feet away from her and I start talking to this really pretty girl for about 5-10 minutes...right in front of her (i did it on purpose to make her jealous). Well after the talk, this girl i like (the italian/latino) is looking directly at me with a kinda jealous/worried/sad look on her face...i was gunna talk to her but made a clean exit to the side so she'd know what she's missing out on.

These damn games folks...us 20 some yr olds...lol...i knew she was playin a game with me so i had to fight back...so now tell me...i really would like to ask her out for a cup of coffee...i feel deep down inside she likes me alot but is trying to play hard since i act like tom cruise in the gym talking to all my friends (just like i like her with that chemistry i find we have)...

if i ask for out for some coffee...how can i assure she'll go with me so we can get to know each other?

1)say she lies and sais "i have a bf"...what do i tell her then?
I honestly think i can provide more for her than her boyfriend can, we look so compatible its scary, ...not trying to sound cocky but this girl deserves the best...shes so adorable..

2)what if she sais: oh im so busy these days i dunno"

or

3)I dont really know you that well

how would i counteract these situations to benefit me?

Thanks so much guys! and sorry for the long read!

 

[hamstershaver]

coldblue will get laid before you do

 

[bran987]

you're dead in the water before you start

 

[bran987]

wait wait you're a chick?

 

[Sub-Zero]

okay...there's this major italian/latino tanned out hottie that goes to my gym...5'6 120 maybe but very toned/slightly muscular...very, very hot...about my age..mid 20s...so we've talked once when i was a week out from my show (she was near me on a machine)...and i noticed a chemistry "click"...which is rare...so im getting ready for my show the next few weeks and am kinda agitated so dont talk to many ppl (including her)...although we said hi to each other a few times leading up to the show. Well after my show i see her on the stairmaster, we have a really nice chat, and wow...this girl really is something...smart, sweet, gorgeous, caring...she seems pefect (from what i know so far at least).

So it's been a few weeks since then and im now bulking and sometimes i look a bit bloated and she doesnt seem too interested in talking when im lifting heavy ass weight, all aggressive since im on alot of fina/mast/deca/test. (i think she likes the sweeter type girls...which i am, but on these androgens it kinda hides that fact at times when i workout). For some reason when i workout, she always happens to be near me, i find alot of times she comes near me to workout, but doesnt look at me or start a convo...but she is with some girls so i dont wanna stop her convo (i prefer to talk to a girl by herself not with a bunch of teeny boppers she was with). And sometimes i come near her n workout but im so focused on my workout that i have tunnel vision and dont really say anything..and she looks directly at me quite a bit sometimes. So we still just say "hi" to each other a few times a week...she has the same workout schedule timing as me... the last few times i said hi (being very nice, polite, assertive/confident) but she just sais "ugh..yeah...im so tired these days" and walks away..)...and well..today i come into the gym all tanned out, and much less bloated, and looking great...and well, i workout 20 feet away from her and I start talking to this really pretty girl for about 5-10 minutes...right in front of her (i did it on purpose to make her jealous). Well after the talk, this girl i like (the italian/latino) is looking directly at me with a kinda jealous/worried/sad look on her face...i was gunna talk to her but made a clean exit to the side so she'd know what she's missing out on.

These damn games folks...us 20 some yr olds...lol...i knew she was playin a game with me so i had to fight back...so now tell me...i really would like to ask her out for a cup of coffee...i feel deep down inside she likes me alot but is trying to play hard since i act like tom cruise in the gym talking to all my friends (just like i like her with that chemistry i find we have)...

if i ask for out for some coffee...how can i assure she'll go with me so we can get to know each other?

1)say she lies and sais "i have a bf"...what do i tell her then?
I honestly think i can provide more for her than her boyfriend can, we look so compatible its scary, ...not trying to sound cocky but this girl deserves the best...shes so adorable..

2)what if she sais: oh im so busy these days i dunno"

or

3)I dont really know you that well

how would i counteract these situations to benefit me?

Thanks so much guys! and sorry for the long read!

fag

 

[bigtasty25]

ah crap..i meant to say the sweeter type guys...sorry..typo! and no im not a fag, im pretty much on the opposite end...and i dont bang girls for the heck of it, its not even worth it for me to bang a dumb chick because i cant stand ignorant/dumb girls to begin with. I just go for the hottest/smartest ones with the total package...is that so wrong? i guess im just very picky...

so ...cmon guys...im serious here! grr

 

[bigtasty25]

coldblue will get laid before you do

LOL!!...i hope you're joking...i can get laid whenever i want and have plenty of times when i was less busy... but I have more important things to do like going to nursing school this fall and getting my exercise science degree this summer, im very, very busy these days..and my first overall win in a contest i just achieved 2 weeks ago...there's more important things in this world than some dumb broad that usually won't have much significant impact on you in your life (unless she;s the right one and you feel a click, i keep an eye out for this...are we getting a hint here and going to possibly grow up a little with the childish comments (not just you, but the others...i thought this board was about helping others...not putting people down)

 

[Smurfy]

okay...there's this major italian/latino tanned out hottie that goes to my gym...5'6 120 maybe but very toned/slightly muscular...very, very hot...about my age..mid 20s...so we've talked once when i was a week out from my show (she was near me on a machine)...and i noticed a chemistry "click"...which is rare...so im getting ready for my show the next few weeks and am kinda agitated so dont talk to many ppl (including her)...although we said hi to each other a few times leading up to the show. Well after my show i see her on the stairmaster, we have a really nice chat, and wow...this girl really is something...smart, sweet, gorgeous, caring...she seems pefect (from what i know so far at least).

So it's been a few weeks since then and im now bulking and sometimes i look a bit bloated and she doesnt seem too interested in talking when im lifting heavy ass weight, all aggressive since im on alot of fina/mast/deca/test. (i think she likes the sweeter type girls...which i am, but on these androgens it kinda hides that fact at times when i workout). For some reason when i workout, she always happens to be near me, i find alot of times she comes near me to workout, but doesnt look at me or start a convo...but she is with some girls so i dont wanna stop her convo (i prefer to talk to a girl by herself not with a bunch of teeny boppers she was with). And sometimes i come near her n workout but im so focused on my workout that i have tunnel vision and dont really say anything..and she looks directly at me quite a bit sometimes. So we still just say "hi" to each other a few times a week...she has the same workout schedule timing as me... the last few times i said hi (being very nice, polite, assertive/confident) but she just sais "ugh..yeah...im so tired these days" and walks away..)...and well..today i come into the gym all tanned out, and much less bloated, and looking great...and well, i workout 20 feet away from her and I start talking to this really pretty girl for about 5-10 minutes...right in front of her (i did it on purpose to make her jealous). Well after the talk, this girl i like (the italian/latino) is looking directly at me with a kinda jealous/worried/sad look on her face...i was gunna talk to her but made a clean exit to the side so she'd know what she's missing out on.

These damn games folks...us 20 some yr olds...lol...i knew she was playin a game with me so i had to fight back...so now tell me...i really would like to ask her out for a cup of coffee...i feel deep down inside she likes me alot but is trying to play hard since i act like tom cruise in the gym talking to all my friends (just like i like her with that chemistry i find we have)...

if i ask for out for some coffee...how can i assure she'll go with me so we can get to know each other?

1)say she lies and sais "i have a bf"...what do i tell her then?
I honestly think i can provide more for her than her boyfriend can, we look so compatible its scary, ...not trying to sound cocky but this girl deserves the best...shes so adorable..

2)what if she sais: oh im so busy these days i dunno"

or

3)I dont really know you that well

how would i counteract these situations to benefit me?

Thanks so much guys! and sorry for the long read!

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

what's up BigNNasty??? How you been?

 

[bigtasty25]

hahahaha....jeez,long time....hey smurfarooo...been pretty good just won my first overall in my 2nd show a couple weeks ago so im still on cloud nine here and totally focused on taking a national qualifyer next july in the southern states down here in ft laud. How are you and the hubby? How's chitown? I heard downtown millenium park kicks major ass now...i gotta go back n check it out =)

 

[Smurfy]

hahahaha....jeez,long time....hey smurfarooo...been pretty good just won my first overall in my 2nd show a couple weeks ago so im still on cloud nine here and totally focused on taking a national qualifyer next july in the southern states down here in ft laud. How are you and the hubby? How's chitown? I heard downtown millenium park kicks major ass now...i gotta go back n check it out =)

Awesome. Congrats!

Im in Maryland outside of DC now since last August. Loving it.

Nice to see you again.

 

[vansmack2000]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470193

 

[sublime35]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470193

LOL i forgot about that thread.

"If you and I were squirrels, could i bust a nut in your hole" LOLOLOL. That's funny right there, i don't care who u are.

 

[bigtasty25]

Excellent! Ill try a few of those and tell you guys what happens! thanks!

 

[bigtasty25]

for all you that didnt get it..i was just kidding..although that is funny as hell

some real suggestions would be appreciated though...we still say hi to each other a few times week...but only have longer conversations when shes not training a boatload of girls (shes a personal trainer there..sorry if i didnt add that)..she trains a new hotty everyday there..

ive never once seen her talk to a male at my gym, or a male try to talk to her, yet shes there the same 2-3 hrs im there...i think theyre all just intimidated of her because shes so pretty/smart..as far as i know im the only guy she talks to, although i dont really care..just stating this be4 u guys say it was over be4 it started or some mess of a suggestion like that ugh lol..

 

[pintoca]

you need to download George's Guide to getting laid.

 

[heatherrae]

If she likes you she will just say yes when you ask her out for coffee. It sounds like she likes you. the "I'm tired comment was probably her just talking off the top of her head." If she says she has a bf, then she doesn't want to go out with you, and you should just cut your losses. If she says, "I don't know you that well" remind her that it is just a cup of coffee and a great way to get to know each other.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

this is what you do.

walk past her just before you start your workout, then when she is to your side (ie to look at her you have to look over your shoulder 90 degrees, pause. the point is to make it look like youre incidentally asking her, NOT going up to her front on as if youre hitting on her) and say:

"hey (her name), before i start this workout (look at your watch. itll reassure her that you arent going ot hang around forever), do me a huge favour and suggest a nice champagne that women like. one of my friends sisters is having a housewarming, and hes asked me to go along to it to pad out the number of guests so that its a good party, because shes really sweet and would be really hurt if her housewarming party was a flop - but the thing is, i dont want to turn up empty handed and thought that along with a gift for the house, id take a nice wine - what do you think?"

the above story is obviously bullshit, but it demonstrates that 1) you are a good friend 2) your friend is a good guy, which makes you look even better for hanging with good guys 3) you are a good guy for looking after your friend and his sister, 4) are socially intelligent/thoughtful and 5) are not a cheapskate, because youre buying a gift AND wine.

the point of this story is to reopen dialogue with this woman and to give you somethign to talk about - and move on to a quick fluff talk about your/her training, your mom coming to visit you bal bla bla...whatever, talk like you did the other time but as you talk, DO NOT compliment her about ANYTHING and especially not on her looks until right at the end of the convo say somethign like "you know i really regret not talking to you much at the gym, but i focus on my workout really hard when im here...but ive really enjoyed this conversation, how can we continue it?"

she will 90% reply with "well, i could give you my number..." then exchange numbers. if she says nothing or says "i dont know" say "do you have a cell phone or email?" and she will without a doubt give you one of them.

asking her to go on a coffee "date" is pretty much asking her to date you, so its quite loaded...meaning she might say to herself "i dont want to express this much interest to this guy, but i do like him a bit" and say no - even though she wants to hang with you. but if you do what i said then call her and say "hey (her name) my coffee date just cancelled on me - why dont you throw something on and come meet me at xxxxx place. im totally in the mood for a coffee and i would love your company for a half hour or so" then by making each step of the process so small, so easy, theres a great chance youll wind up sipping coffee with your hottie quite quickly

and there you go

 

[heatherrae]

Coming from a girl, these transparent ploys seem childish and thinly veiled. I would think you were trying to be a smooth mac daddy if you tried to play a silly routine like that. Just ask the girl to coffee. The confidence to ask without running some mac daddy scam is far more attractive to intelligent, sweet girls.

 

[bigtasty25]

golden delicious' scheme sounds a little more complex..but the philosophy of going from one small step, to a tiny bit larger one, etc etc...sounds like a great idea...she needs to know im a good guy with good intentions be4 i ask her out...

i do actually have my bro's gf down at the univ of miami (shes 20) about an hour south of me i chill with sometimes when her friend's r having a party..shes in a sorority so im sure they have all those housewarming things n whatknot...so it wouldnt totally be a lie..and i do stand up for my bro's gf alot...and whatknot...im close with my home family pretty much..so his plot/scheme isnt far from the truth...LOL.

Im not really a sweet talker...but i can be rather smooth/confident if i get a nice chance to talk to her because im usually quite comfortable around her and be myself (like i have for 2 of our convos in the past when we actually got a chance to talk)....so i'd naturally ask her for a cup of coffee at the big coffee down the street from our gym be4 i leave when im done talking to her.
be4 i leave after talking to her and refreshing up on how things r going...id part into be4 leaving...
"hey i see we're usually both really into our workouts and whatknot when we're here ...why don't we continue this over a cup of coffee at the Tap house?" (coffee place down the street, big place, real nice younger atmosphere).

and be4 hand id also say something like "hey...you know...i was gunna tell ya before...i would have talked to u more at the gym but im so focused on my workouts these days, especially since my competition which was a couple weeks ago, and after winning the show ive become so motivated that im doubly as focused, so dont think i didnt wanna talk to ya" (all the while smiling and talking confidently, looking right at her, so she'd know i am sincere...thats how i usuaully am when i talk to her, i look directly at her..shes too pretty not to).

thanks again guys (n gals)..great suggestions..

 

[Sub-Zero]

LOL!!...i hope you're joking...i can get laid whenever i want and have plenty of times when i was less busy... but I have more important things to do like going to nursing school this fall and getting my exercise science degree this summer, im very, very busy these days..and my first overall win in a contest i just achieved 2 weeks ago...there's more important things in this world than some dumb broad that usually won't have much significant impact on you in your life (unless she;s the right one and you feel a click, i keep an eye out for this...are we getting a hint here and going to possibly grow up a little with the childish comments (not just you, but the others...i thought this board was about helping others...not putting people down)

so u get banged by guys?

 

[bigtasty25]

ill ignore that comment...
i dont really bang any girls unless i see a forseable future with them ...i just see the point in banging a girl then seeing her upset afterwards when she finds out you dont like...
and even if its just a slut, i dont really care for an std, or their short attention spans, etc

nursing actually makes a ton of money down here in south fla and im planning on doing nursing anesthesiology after for that matter which makes 150-250K on average..but im sure you make much more than that sublime..so who am i to talk..

but anywhoo i did go to the gym this evening..and what do u know...shes there again the same time as me in her black spandex pants and dark purple outfit..really tight...

well i go through my normal routine, (and heather..i must say..you were pretty dead on, she seems to def like me, i guess the 'gettin her jealous' thing worked)..i wait till shes in a place where its easier to talk to her, less crowded. well by the end of both of our workouts shes on the calf machine and nobody's around her, and shes looking at me about half the time id predict... so im about to do my thang n make a move, opportunity was perfect, its obvious she likes me now...well then my buddy and his friend come over (whom im both good friend's with) and they start asking me about juice n whatknot since they know im friendly and know quite a bit on the subject, can i hook them up etc...it got me sidetracked so i talked to them for a few mins..next thing i know when they leave, she's gone..ahhhhhhhhhh. Opportunity missed and a big slap in my face...i was so pissed!!! For all the guys that think im gay..lol...i talk to about 75% of the hotties that r regulars at my gym, im very social and ill talk to just about anyone as long as their friendly and dont put me down (purposely). Of the 95% of the girls i chat with regularly, im not really interested in any persay, just not my type, but its fun to talk to them nonetheless. but this one...is..just...different..she makes me feel so good when i talk to her...and when i see her, i light up (and i can tell she does too, its like we have radar for each other 100 feet away). Well i guess you can/understand why i procrastinated a bit in speaking with her, its not shyness at all (im extremely social)...it's just when u have a "thing" for a girl, it makes u feel all weird at times (reminds me of my younger dating days)...and u dont know how to talk to them lmao (although i have a feeling ill be ok). I've been dating on n off for almost 9 years now, ive had my share of long term relationships, this just seems so much better than all the rest. But hell, even if things dont go well, there's a billion other fish in the sea right?

I hate seeing guys say girls have control over guys...i feel thats because theyre not experienced enough to know how to put the cards in your hands...if you know exactly how to cater to what a woman wants in general, its usually the guy that picks what he wants, given all conditions r in tact (not the girl)...if a guy truly loves himself...the girl will pick up on that very quickly (and its a good thing...cockyness on the other hand, or being dictative and putting others down to make yourself feel better... doesnt mean u love yourself)...they have a radar for this thing a mile away..lol...

Sorry about that i went kinda off topic..tomorrow will be friday so ill give it a shot then, probably a better day of the week for a coffee lounge date (if the conditions permit !
=)

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Coming from a girl, these transparent ploys seem childish and thinly veiled. I would think you were trying to be a smooth mac daddy if you tried to play a silly routine like that. Just ask the girl to coffee. The confidence to ask without running some mac daddy scam is far more attractive to intelligent, sweet girls.

i have known many women who have said exactly the same thing when i have outlined my pickup strategies to other males in my group(s).

unfortunately for them, they were already conquered and represented by little notches on my fave boxers by that point

kinda hard to take them seriously after that, although pointing out how they had fallen for the same thing was beyond amusing

GD: 2787
cosmo reading know it all chicks: 0

never, ever, EVER EVER fucking listen to what a women has to say about picking up. EVER. they live in denial. including HeatherRae up there. one minute theyre telling you to be sweet etc etc...next minute theyre banging the football captain on the bleachers, even though hes exactly what they told you not to be like

then some guy comes up with EXACTLY the attributes of the perfect guy they described, and they dont date him. ask them why, and they say "oh...i just dont see him like that" or "i dont feel that way about him" or "hes nice, but hes just a friend"

thats because he listened to some other chick about how to be a man, and learned how to be...a very good woman.

and besides, it isnt a "slick mac daddy routine". its just an interaction giving me the opportunity to chat to them comfortably so that they can see if they like me. wheich they inevitably do, because...i look really, really good REALLY good

(loooooooooooool havnt said that in so long lololoollolololol)

 

[bigtasty25]

eh no worries i think the guys win on this one for the most part, although heather is partially right nonetheless on the KISS principle (if its said right)..although its not exactly WHAT you say...its HOW you say it...and how it comes off, and if theres attraction between both parties (most important)..

i feel girls (as well as guys) can get an idea/vibe of what the other person is like after talking to that person for a good 10-15 mins...which we did after our initial convo...which is when the flirting began pretty much...

i dont think i really need to prove what kind of guy i am, i have a feeling she already knows, and i doubt she'd be suprised if i brought up the champagne thing..she already knows im caring i think...i asked her during our second convo (a month later AFTER my contest was done) how her cold was and how the dextromorphine hydrobromide i told her to take worked. She was really suprised i remembered that and she told me it worked like a charm, (and seemed really sincere when she said thanks for asking). 2 mins after i walked away she left the gym,( i think we satisfied each other's needs verbally during that gym session..lol.)


ive been in this game long enough to know what kind of girls i look and should go after, she fits that perfectly..so im going to try to make this a home run and ask her out tomorrow, if the conditions permit, saturday it will be..i have a strong feeling she knows I want to ask her out...call it a feeling..i dunno.


fyi im by no means the perfect guy, nobody is perfect, nobody ever will be, i just consider myself normal, and feel my life is great..just that little gap missing with the girl (ive had my share of flings over the last decade, and yes im 24, 25 later this month...gets old after awhile, for those of you that care to disagree...really think about what you're saying, having a partner doesnt mean anyone is "owned" its all about mutual respect..mutual is the key word)...im just trying to go after what i think should be mine
Im a bodybuilding competitor and she looks/seems alot like davani medina actually..that latino/italian flair...i just love it..lol.

 

[heatherrae]

Well, GoldenDelicious, maybe you are "banging" girls with low self-esteem. Congratulations on your mac daddy routine. You show a girl that you are a sincere and caring person by lying to them about some bogus party so that later they can be "little notches on your favorite boxers." Sorry, that isn't showing that you are caring. That is lying about being a caring person. Yes, I guess that it works on nice girls sometimes and we believe that you are a nice person only to find out later that you were running a little game. Congratulations. You're a genius.

However, I think that bigtasty is a nice person who is genuinely interested in getting to know this lady. I think he is doing a fine job of showing he is caring without having to put on an act. News flash-- because it isn't an act.

Cut the foolish games. When you are older you will feel like you were being a childish by putting "notches in your boxers" at the expense of people's feelings.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Well, GoldenDelicious, maybe you are "banging" girls with low self-esteem. Congratulations on your mac daddy routine. You show a girl that you are a sincere and caring person by lying to them about some bogus party so that later they can be "little notches on your favorite boxers." Sorry, that isn't showing that you are caring. That is lying about being a caring person. Yes, I guess that it works on nice girls sometimes and we believe that you are a nice person only to find out later that you were running a little game. Congratulations. You're a genius.

However, I think that bigtasty is a nice person who is genuinely interested in getting to know this lady. I think he is doing a fine job of showing he is caring without having to put on an act. News flash-- because it isn't an act.

Cut the foolish games. When you are older you will feel like you were being a childish by putting "notches in your boxers" at the expense of people's feelings.

a few points:

i never said anything about me banging anyone. i dont 'bang' or even 'fuck', thankyouverymuch.

it isnt a mac daddy routine, it was a quick example of a story used to convey personality. obviously, thinking up a real story is ideal

i dont have favorite boxers

if i did they wouldnt have notches, im not a conquest counter

i dont lie to women. i just show them the part of my personality that is closest to what i THINK they want to see then and there...not unlike you putting on your favorite dress. there is no deception in it.

i dont hurt anyones feelings. half my social circle is built from people i have been physical with. i have really nice, caring relationships with them.

social interaction is a lot more complicated than "boy meets girl. girl meets boy. girl and boy like each other". there is a social dance that occurs with a bunch of preprogrammed elements that we cannot voluntarily deactivate, that will make or break the partnering. we must, therefore, consider them as part of how we choose to socialise. it isnt deception. its just the reality of the human condition. ethically there is no difference to influence how your prospective partner perceives you by wearing a push up bra, as by using a personality conveying story. at least if the story is true, its perfectly ethical.

anway thats something for another day. the real question is...did you ever meet the football captain?

 

[bigtasty25]

lol...i think you two like each other....i can sense it...find a room!!! haha...

anywhoo...both of you are right because yes you should be genuine to a girl, caring, and be yourself, and be honest...but as long as both parties had their fun, and nobody got hurt, then there's nothing to worry about. It's as simple as that really..

But anyways...I was just going to say, I talked to my friend at the gym today who knows alot of the hotties there, and told me he saw that girl i like...walking out with this kinda ugly dude once or twice (said its prob a guy she was seeing). Told me he doubt its anything serious because she doesnt seem that in to him. Well...i really feel she deserves better than this guy...maybe the guy knew what to say to ask her out, and whatknot, and may be slight...but I have a feeling she wants to be with me alot more due to all the clues she's been giving me lately. Yes she was there today when I was there and yes she looked drop dead gorgeous in this neon green tight outfit that matched her tanned out body, But i like to show off to so of course she looked quite a bit (and i ignored her). I've used the ignoring technique on most girls and notice it attracts them even more...I feel that I used this one on this girl excessively because she looked at me about 50 times as much as ive looken at her i guess...shit...i prob just glance over quickly at her from the corner of my eye 2 or 3 times total in a gym session . Im afraid that i may have her thinking that im not interested in her..ughhh! Well honestly I dont care about this loser she's dating because she obviously doesnt seem that happy with him...so im still going to ask her out when the chance permits-she was personal training alot of girls today at once-was impossible to talk to her even more. I shall try again for tomorrow but im not gunna give up on this one!

And im also not gunna worry myself about it...it is what it is..taking a chance...and well, she's just a girl...there's millions of others out there, so ill just ease my mind off it until I actually get the opportunity to do my thang with her.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

lol...i think you two like each other....i can sense it...find a room!!! haha...

no way. we'd never get along. and she has fake nails. theyre still nice though.



also, as per your "there are lots of girls" speech...PLEASE. stop being a pussy. tfaf, mofo

 

[jdevlin1985]

Always change the amounts of attention you give her. Give her your undivided attention for an extended period of time one day, and appear to be too busy to even talk to her the next. If she IS into you, it will drive her insane trust me, and you will be on her mind for the rest of the day. She will be wondering if she said or did something wrong, and she will become much more interested in you because she won't be able to think about anything else. Fact! Don't play mr nice guy, does'nt work. You need to show you have confidence and charisma, that you are different from every other guy in that room. Walk up to her when you feel the time is right, and my impression so far is you have no fucking clue, and throw it in a general convo. Do not just spit it out, it will just put her on the spot and she will be more likely to say no. How to say, and what to say? Use your fuggin head, i don't know what type of person you are so i can't determine what will work for you and what won't. Use something on the lines of "I'd like to talk to you again, is there a number I can reach you at?". Will always give you 'better results' because shes got to aviod saying "no" or she will sound stupid because that will mean there is not a number she can be reached at. It also makes you more original than every other 21st century idiot that asks for her number straight out. And finally, one thing that will always 'up you chances'. Show you are sure of yourself! Do not blush, do not stutter and do not fidget like you see many idiotic plebs do.

And if she does 'reject' your offer? You are not going to feel like a maing because it has been brought up in general and lets face it, SHE will be losing out. Keep your head up, smile and continue with the conversation. Until you see the right time to ditch and get on with what you were 'actually' down there for in the first place.

 

[heatherrae]

Okay, Golden Delicious. No harm, no foul. Yes, my nails are fake. I have them done and a pedicure every two weeks. I'm sort of high maintenance...lol.

I agree with what jdevlin says above. It is nice to leave us wanting more and not being too obvious.

I think you have been doing a little of that already. Am I wrong? She shows up at the gym at the same time as you every time. Maybe she wants to bump into you.

Anyway, Jdevlin has it right. Just put it in the coversation.

Also, if she turns you down, never take it personally. You never know what things have gone on or are going on in peoples lives to form who they are, their opinions, etc. You sound like a great guy. She will be a lucky girl when she takes you up on your offer.

=-)

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Okay, Golden Delicious. No harm, no foul. Yes, my nails are fake. I have them done and a pedicure every two weeks. I'm sort of high maintenance...lol.

I agree with what jdevlin says above. It is nice to leave us wanting more and not being too obvious.

I think you have been doing a little of that already. Am I wrong? She shows up at the gym at the same time as you every time. Maybe she wants to bump into you.

Anyway, Jdevlin has it right. Just put it in the coversation.

Also, if she turns you down, never take it personally. You never know what things have gone on or are going on in peoples lives to form who they are, their opinions, etc. You sound like a great guy. She will be a lucky girl when she takes you up on your offer.

=-)

"sort of" high maintainence? LOL

heather, youre cute. you remind me of my little sister. i want to adopt you

seriously though, im curious to know a little about your character. you seem prissy, like we'd never get along. fake nails? high maintinence? very polished avatar photos? no way. tell me though, why not..who do you think lies more, men or women?

 

[heatherrae]

Who do I think lies more? Gee, I would have to say it is equal. I don't know if one gender lies more than another.

What is your opinion?

 

[bigtasty25]

Okay...glad to see you two are getting along finally...NOW go find a room, "it's saturday night" (saturday night theme)! LOL.


Thanks for your comments heather..honestly? I think part of the reason i havent spoken to her as well is because im really trying to work on my character and helping myself to become a better guy in general (in terms of dating)...i bought this huge system for dating advertised in Flex magazine...if you guys have the most recent issue, it takes up a whole page, pretty girl at the top. im going to return it and get my money back eventually though since he has a 1 year guarentee in there *shh*. It's 11 cd's...and works on...1)"secrets of supreme confidence: how to be bulletproof 'ten feet tall and bullet proof' in every area of your life" 2)how to quickly and easily build magnetically attractive self image 3)secrets of non manipulative persuasion and influences 4) the awsome power of setting and controlling "frames" 5)how women really think and how to understand them 6) secrets of automatic attraction systems-How to get desirable women to approach you 7)what to do and say once shes approached you 8)how to make your "first meeting" with her a roaring success 9)effortlessly 'closing the deal' in a way that makes her (and you) feel great 10)deciding and choosing the type of relationship you want to have with her 11)How to make her feel "It", Fall Deliriously in Love with you and Stay Devoted for Life"

I listened to the first cd which is a "fast start" cd that gives an overview of what the above Cd's are used for, and why use them...so far i love this system, I honestly feel Im becoming happier and more confident already, and I feel when im done vigorously studying these cd's as well as the written transcript and taking some personal notes...im going to be totally different (as long as i put into practice what's preached on the cd's). It seems to be strong stuff...I dont want this kinda stuff getting in the wrong hands of a guy that is just going to use it to get laid, while not giving a shit about the girls feelings...so once you 2 read this im gunna edit this and delete everything i just said. Anywhoo I just want to do things write...im already a confident guy to an extent, im happy in general, but i just want to make sure I do everything perfectly...so give me a week and i shall decide if i wanna date her or not after our initial first date....=x

Thanks for the help guys..and devlin's info sounds great...Im almost positive thats what will come outta my mouth when I ask her out, thanks bro.

 

[heatherrae]

Well, good luck on getting the girl of your dreams. I hope she proves herself to deserve you. =-)

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Who do I think lies more? Gee, I would have to say it is equal. I don't know if one gender lies more than another.

What is your opinion?

my opinion is that you squirmed out of answering the question, so im gonna ask you another one

one of my mates (truthfully i dont like him that much, hes a pansy) broke up with his long time girl about...half a year ago. meanwhile, hes been seeing some spanish chick who is waaaaaaay better than the first girl, but he still pines over her. last time we went out together, the spanish one freaked out that he was wearing some shirt that his first ex bought him, and wanted him to leave the club to go and change. he didnt want to, becuse he thought it was a nice shirt. overall they both went sour and it ruined the night. now on one hand, i see her point of view, and i also see where hes coming from. which of them do you think is right?

nice pics in your gallery by the way. did you used to be a model?

 

[Smurfy]

my opinion is that you squirmed out of answering the question, so im gonna ask you another one

one of my mates (truthfully i dont like him that much, hes a pansy) broke up with his long time girl about...half a year ago. meanwhile, hes been seeing some spanish chick who is waaaaaaay better than the first girl, but he still pines over her. last time we went out together, the spanish one freaked out that he was wearing some shirt that his first ex bought him, and wanted him to leave the club to go and change. he didnt want to, becuse he thought it was a nice shirt. overall they both went sour and it ruined the night. now on one hand, i see her point of view, and i also see where hes coming from. which of them do you think is right?

nice pics in your gallery by the way. did you used to be a model?

in that scenario, it seems to me to be awfully immature and insecure of the new g/f to go that crazy over him wearing a shirt bought for him by the ex. That's like high school shit right there. There may be a deeper issue between them that goes beyond just a "shirt". She may be aware that he is still pining for the ex and therefore she's pissed about THAT. They need to work out their bigger issue and not act like children and ruin an evening over a SHIRT

 

[GoldenDelicious]

in that scenario, it seems to me to be awfully immature and insecure of the new g/f to go that crazy over him wearing a shirt bought for him by the ex. That's like high school shit right there. There may be a deeper issue between them that goes beyond just a "shirt". She may be aware that he is still pining for the ex and therefore she's pissed about THAT. They need to work out their bigger issue and not act like children and ruin an evening over a SHIRT

smurfy youre so smart, i cant even talk to you now!

(i am crying over here )

 

[bigtasty25]

yeah my girl smurfy has it on the buttom right there id say...i know her pretty well (not personally), but ive known her for a long time and she knows quite a bit about dating, shes a tough bitch, astute and intense but can be very kind at times..lol...she has it though...the girl seems pretty immature to complain about how he looks..unless the shirt is totally trashy looking, then i can understand. If you're attracted to the girl and her personality n whatknot, who cares if she dresses a little "comfortable" on occasion in public, same goes for the guy in THIS situation.

But anywhoo thanks again heath...i like this girl...she's quite perceptive (you)...i honestly think golden and heather might make interesting adventure partners, though long term, its like a gemini and pisces/torus...too much arguing will result LOL, although both of you guys seem to posess unique/complex personalities , I'd love to watch you two in a live argument over a box of popcorn sometime, and keep chart of who's winning ..lmao(kinda like on the TV show "House" where house keeps track of his wins with his patients LOl)....im a gemini myself but heath's too old for me prob ...i need girls in the 20-27 range (for a long term thing)..although you're what, 28ish? thats just a guess from how u look in your avatar=0...prob perfect for golden's age...my guess is he's 30-33ish (just based on how he talks).

Im pretty perceptive when it comes to knowing when im getting attraction signals/signs from girls as i get them daily at the gym. I just get lost up in my pride, and workout focus, and to a middle extent, how to make as good an impression as possible without saying the wrong thing. After listening through the first 4 CD's...im pretty aware now on how to be super confident, how to attract girls around me, how to make a quick first impression and gain a little quick insight into that girl's world (this is during a workout, rest periods dont last long, short chat at first is fine im sure), as well as how to talk to her without making her test me much..in other words..without having to make her come out of her state of emotion and question me much (at least in the beginning)...this'll prevent me from saying the wrong thing LOL...in other words id do more of the question asking, and throw in a quick comment or 2 occasionally to relate to her, and let her tell me her "map" of her "world", if that makes sense. It also helps me to pick who i want to be friends with and whom i may want to partake in asking out. This also pertains to that girl im interested in..I need to get to know more of her "map"..to see if its at all similiar to my map to see if their is any overlayering because THAT is important for long term things to workout..although chemistry helps ALOT with this as well.


My last gf was 32 actually...i love older girls for some reason..the intelligence and personality is always what gets me...i cant stand an ignorant girl...who can...cept maybe a jock LOL..she was a total sweetheart, kinda smart, but really calm, non dramatic, just a total princess. She was partially deaf in 1 ear though so i had to constantly ask her over n over things on occasion which was really annoying, and she was really slow, her personality was slow in general and mine is more upbeat and energetic (probably like alot of the guys on elite since theyre bodybuilders id assume anyhow)...im full of energy, my physical/mental/psychological stature pretty much reflect and flow syngergistally together in a more upbeat energetic frame of mind. She wasnt adventerous at all, liked to just stay home n watch tv n walk the dog with me...that feels more like friendship shit to me or stuff couples do in the beginning (not always), or stuff older folks do LOL..to me it was nice for a little while but I like going out and exploring, having a good time in new and exciting places. I would have LOVED to be friends with her after our brakeup and have her in my life in someway at least, we DID date 6 months...i basically set the conditions for her to brakeup with me (i didnt wanna brake it with her to hurt HER feelings), but i called her 2 weeks later, she never answered, so that was it. Prob better though because she may have gotten attached later on, just being friends (i didnt want that really, i just wanted friendship).

Now if it doesnt work out with this current italian/spanish lady(maybe it will, maybe it wont, nothing damn near perfect (i.e-girl) in the world is ever easy to achieve for long term happyness) but if it doesnt, I still got this south half of florida to chomp around in, honestly the age thing isnt a huge factor i just dont want a girl that is within 20 years of my ma's age LOL since the most beautiful girls in the USA live down in Florida, gotta see whats available! just my .02=0) Even this tanned hotty i cant honestly say is my age, she "looks" it, but she may be 30...you know how it is with these fitness girls, some can look 10 years younger than they actually are (with all these new anti aging wrinkle cremes n shit)..hahaha...

And one last thing...its funny how some people are..you can have an incredibly mature 19 yr old girl (my brother's gf im close with, she's one of the smartest and most talented balenced and stable girls-in every way- of girls i know) thats super mature, then have a 30some year old broad that is so clingy its ridiculous...ive had one, for a short period...that i met online..i dont know..a year or 2 ago...she'd be annoying on occasion..say...once every few days (while we dated)...and stay naggin me about something "oh dont wear those jeans, wear these nice brown pants to dinner, i dont really like those jeans" (meanwhile her friggen dad wears jeans! lmao!) so she keeps going on n on bla bla and i just cant stand it....its pretty hard to piss me off...but i just couldnt handle it so yeah i yell it her "yo emily! will you just shut up about the damn jeans already and be quiet!!?? so she gets all stunned...amazed/silent...and starts to slowly get into a crying phase that lasts for awhile...well i leave her alone..come back awhile later, maybe an hour...damn girl is so happy its almost scary...LOL...i noticed a reoccuring pattern of em doing this every few days, so i shouted at her each time, the same darn thing happened, with her becoming happy around an hour later...i think its like these darn girls r testing us guys...to see if we';ll put them in their place and be a man...take authority...

its a bit irritating but thats how some girls test guys to see if theyre really what they should be-a man. It just didnt workout between us though because she obviously had some underlying issues with guys...i prefer a more stable less dramatic girl...drama is something us guys can do without..LOL.


In a sense im quite nieve when it comes to girls...hey im 24, im sure golden knows a shitload more about girls then i do in ways (since he IS older than me), but i guess im just a little more old fashioned and simple, yet i try to be effective, when im actually in the process of "gaming"..but im definately still learning and in the 9 yrs or so i HAVE been dating, ive learned alot, and im confident on what i DO know..for sure...but yet, there's so much more to learn. Us guys on the other hand are very easy and predictable to read, take it from me! LOL

time to catch some shut eye and jump in the hay...first im going to delve into some teeny bopper "material" on my computer to "use" be4 bed...i like "College Pyjama Party series 1 of 3"..hehe >

 

[heatherrae]

It wasn't squirming out of the question Golden, I just don't really think lying is a character flaw that is more present in either gender. That is my honest answer.

LOL...I'm 36 big tasty. I always get a little flabbergasted at being called an "older woman" because I still feel like I'm 12...lol. Then, when a guy in his early twenties asks me out, my first thought is, "What is he thinking? He's too young for me." LOL. All I can say is that the years sneak up on you quickly, and when you are 36 you will look in the mirror and think, "What happened? I still feel 20." =-)

Golden, the shirt thing sounds like she has picked up that he still has feelings for the ex and is being possessive of him. It's not the best way to handle the situation, but sometimes emotions make us do things that are far from optimal.

 

[bigtasty25]

youre 36? what??? Hah...just goes to show what i said above is true...about girls that look like their in their 20s and turn out to be mid 30s such as yourself...what working out can do to extend youth & beauty

Eh you're not "older women"...wrong way of stating it...i just figure older comparatively since this is coming from a guy turning 25 later this month..lol. But like i said be4, i thought u were 28ish, so...definately dont look old, hell..ive been told i look to be in my late 20s anyhow.

Well you have a few yrs on my last ex actually, but it's funny because you actually look younger than her, she wasnt big into working out, was thin, not toned, just not into the whole working out thing like of us on the board. What am I thinking? eh...like I said and you probably know im single, looking, but hell, I like making friends and meeting new people too, its not all just about meeting that perfect one and timing it to be accomplished in 1-2 weeks LOl...stuff like that sometimes takes years (as you know id assume). For now I just like meeting ppl, seeing what theyre about, what makes them tick...maybe having fun and doing something unique if that step permits (i dont really mean sexual, maybe...boating )


my idea of fun is somewhat different from the typical "lets go out and party and get drunk" attitude...im more diverse...say for example..couple weeks ago my and a workout buddy went in my backyard, hooked my fishing pole on to my iguana's leesh (yes, i have a 6 foot iguana and he has a leesh i can walk him with...LOL!), reeled the sucker out in the lake in my backyard, went out like 100 feet, then we'd slowly reel that sucker in lmao.

 

[bigtasty25]

All I can say is that the years sneak up on you quickly, and when you are 36 you will look in the mirror and think, "What happened? I still feel 20." =-)

I already kinda know that..it only feels like yesterday that I was 18 and outta high school...then i see all these teeny boppers at the theaters on a sat night, or at my gym here in south fla, and I feel like an old man lmao...but yet I still feel 18 (physically) like them. But it's great you feel young, thats really what counts, and as u see, i like smileys

 

[heatherrae]

LOL on the iguana. Be careful. Don't hurt him. Thanks for the kind words. Keep us updated on how you do with this gal.

 

[bigtasty25]

lol i wont..i had the beast for 10 years..since he was 6 months and only 1 ounce..sucker is a good 15lbs now ;-).

Well i did talk to her today a few times actually...quick talk kinda...she commented on how lean ive gotten, she asked if i eat at all lmao...i told her im bulking now for the last 4-5 weeks she looked stunned lol. talked to her again later on, she came next right next to me to workout (gym was super crowded...there must have been 500 ppl there today ughh)...i asked her what she is doing jobwise this summer...talked to me about that a little..then asked what im doing...so i told her finishing college this summer , maybe some personal training like her as well, actually she asked if im gunna do that like her, (graduating in exercise science told her as well) then doing nursing in the fall. (so if she DIDNT know be4 that i was into helping others/caring..now she knows..lol). Plus the nursing field/health care in general makes a shitload down here in south fla anywhoo since there';s a really big shortage of nurses, well thats kinda the whole united states, but especially here in south fla since alot of the baby boomers retire down here. SO we talked a bit on those things then parted casually..so now we have a basic idea of the directions we're headed in...i came up with more questions to ask her (related ones to what she's told me) when i see her next so we'll continue feeding each other info. then later this week when the gym's less crowded (by thurs/fri its downsized tenfold usually...much more open space to walk around), ill ask her out for some coffee after the gym n we'll see how that goes.

its funny she comments on me being really ripped cuz she's in better shape than 99.8% of the females at that gym, i might try to encourage her to do a figure show (same show im doing this september...probably the NPC Florida State Open in orlando)

heck, you should do that show heather...i saw some of your profile pics..you're in marvolous shape! and you're 36..lol jeez..more girls like you should be at my gym lol..

 

[heatherrae]

Congrats on talking to her a bit. She sounds like a nice girl. It does sound like you have lots in common with her.

Thanks for the compliment. I'm no where near the shape that is required for a show. I'm working on my figure presently, but wouldn't ever want to put in the time that would be required to do a show.

 

[bigtasty25]

thanks heather...it wasnt the first time i talked to her ya know lol...just havent in the last week or 10 days id suppose, felt friction/tension i guess...

good idea...to be a competitor u either gotta be crazy, or rich (or both)...and im not rich, so u do the math..lol..

today i wasnt in the best mood for some reason...just one of "those days", hell, i wasnt in a bad mood persay, just more neutral id suppose (which i consider an off day, which i havent had much of lately thankfully)..i did talk to a few of my buddies though...but right be4 my workout was done i went on a stepmaster maybe 20 feet from (behind) that girl mentioned above (fabiana)...so i could see her clearly...but didnt talk to her today cuz 1) i wasnt in the best mood, maybe due to it being cloudy/rainy outside all day, who knows...2)(and mostly) talked to her yesterday already, was gunna purposely try to seem busy today (towards her)...but its funny, i had my head phones on and looking in a slightly diff direction than where she was on purpose...even though seeing her from the rear on the stairclimber was an amazing sight lmao...and right be4 she left she popped up right next to me, stopped in front of me, with a big smile on her face waving right at me from like 5-7 feet away...i just HAD to give her a warm fuzzy smile even though i wasnt in a great mood...just interacting with her does that to me somehow...lol...puts me in a good mood. It's like ...I am not even trying, when im asking her questions n talking to her..getting to know her, since i genuinly want to know about her. Right after that she left (i noticed a smile kinda on her face as she was leaving). It was kinda suprising because i didnt expect her to do that as she doesnt EVER come up to any guys (that ive seen anyways, and shes there the same time as me...almost always)..just found it suprising...anyways just thought id share.


Heather...Ive heard that when a woman (that you're interested in, but not currently dating) sees you talking to other women, or other woman talking to you and whatknot..they get the impression that youre desirable by other women and thus feel they should be talking to you too, that you posess qualities that other woman desire and like about you. Do u as a woman believe this to be true? Or would they get envious, jealous, intimdated, and stop wanting to talk to you? Im hoping it's the first one..since thats what ive been told...but the thought of them possibly not liking that cuz they might think ure a player, crossed my mind somewhere too... hmm..

 

[heatherrae]

I think it is true, actually. You can't help but see a guy as a catch if he talks to beautiful women and they come up and talk to him, too. I guess I would get turned off if he was grabby with them or if it looked like he was already taken. I don't make a habit of getting involved with anyone who has a girlfriend or who is a playboy type (too much drama for my taste). Yeah, though, it would make me more desirous and envious. If I were interested in him, I would want to make him all mine. =-)

 

[bigtasty25]

I had another encounter/experience with her (the mexican/italian tanned out girl) the other day at the gym actually, long story so im gunna take a nap in a few so ill get more into it later tonight since im dead tired at the moment lol.


I wont brag, but sure I talk to females at my gym just like I imagine you talk to guys ...which is good because nobody could ever have enough friends. Hell even if I had a gf, or even a serious one, I honestly wouldnt care one bit if she had guy friends she hungout with. Why?...because a relationship is about trust, total trust in one another, and if I trust her I know she wouldnt cheat on me, and vice versa. I wish more of my ex's were like that lol. It always come down to trust & honesty in the thick of things anyways...

I just watched the movie "Just Friends" last night (sunday night)...story of my life right there, so close to it actually, that it's almost scary...LOL...that girl Amy Smart...now her...Id def want to make all mine....that's my definition of the perfect girl..LOL...shes so my type...same with that girl from the Notebook...4got her name...

Although im not the jealous type, if i knew she was seeing another guy or something close to it, and if i were interested in her, Id want to make her all mine =-)