nefertiti said:
Dude, hearing no is the risk you take - if she's laughing at you for asking, 100% chance she'd push you off if you just went up and started dancing too. But I swear to god I want to slap the shit out of any guy who gets in my space when I haven't OKed it. My body is not some random guy's hump pillow. You seriously need some major social etiquette training.
no, i get permission first. i just dislike it when hobags try to change the standard by encouraging men to come up and hump them without asking.
heatherrae said:
Well, if you are looking for a relationship, maybe it is best not to be looking for girls who like for you to grind them in night clubs. Club rats don't make good gf's.
i dont think im looking for a relationship yet. (which explains why i still go to the clubs) right now mostly all i care about is the physical, and from what ive been told, that automatically means im in another category besides the relationship category.
ponyfitness said:
You have to realize that a guy obviously alone on a dance floor like has been said previously has very low social value. This says to people either you are a loner or someone that nobody wants to hang out with. Either way you aren't exactly attractive. Plus if you are out there asking all these girls to dance the women on the floor have seen you get shot down by the first dozen and are already laughing at you being that guy asking every girl to dance. And if you are going to the same place every time by now you've already been labelled by any of the regulars.
If you had killer dance moves, my advice would be get out there to a good song, kick it up, get some attention and then walk to the bar where you can actually have a conversation with people. But you really need to work on speaking to girls and having real conversations with them first. There are lots of easy ways to start a conversation. Ask open ended questions they can't answer with a yes or no, make sure you are interested in them and not talking about yourself, talk about what interests them, etc. Start easy - quick hits like "hey, that's an interesting bracelet." or "wow this band is really good." You don't have to have a 20 minute dialogue. But you do have to do something.
Last night I was out on the dance floor with one male friend and three female ones. It was like child's play to strike up a conversation with one of the girls dancing around us. You get the eye contact, give them a smile and they smile back and you go.
maybe i could try to find some people to go with, but i need some hot female friends. sometimes when i go with my one female friend (who is fat) and her guy friend i dont really get much social value increase. I mean they are still fun to be around, but maybe i should go out with another group a different night (i guess i need to find some more friends then)
im decent at conversing with women, but remember that is really hard to do at a loud club.
Nobledude said:
Healtoher, stop the madness....just get out there and find out for yourself first hand...stop being a pussy looking for E advice...you should have mustered enough knowledge by now.to be able to get your cherry popped...
ive only scratched the tip of the iceberg...
GoldenDelicious said:
other high value people. they can be attracive, interesting, or importnatnly, female. going to a club with women makes you FAR more attractive to women because for those chicks to be with you, you must be good.
i have few female friends, and even less of them that are attractive. ive discoverd that for the most part attractive females tend to only associate with attractive males.
the point is, youll have whatever you want. its up to you (and her)
yes. turning it down demonstrates that youre too valuable to do that cheap shit. itll make her, and other women, want you more. jsut be playful about it. i give em a pat on the bum and say "shoo!"
not really. go and be the guy who picks up all the glasses, then once you have your foot in the door, youll learn to do the rest. the only people who usually get behind the bar are usually female, followed by guys who have worked up to it.
yeah, you would. even one night a weekend would do. youll feel like youre out partying, trust me
so basically id be working full time to get benefits and then working at a bar one night a week as well? dang...
i like biteme. i like biteme a lot.
but i would steal bitemes girl from under his nose so fast its not funny.
i know some guys with stupendous bodies and awesome, model like looks, that have had sex ONCE in their lives, or are virgins. on the flipside, my housemate is a young, normal looking guy who actually LISTENS TO WHAT I TELL HIM and last week, he had sex with a bargirl IN THE DAMN BAR
now shush and listen to me. i know what im talking about. i dont want to scare the shit out of you with numbers or stories (because itll depress you or make you think im lying) but just shup, and listen.
i need to control the flow of information, youve given me so much advice over the years i need to organize it all. once of these months im going to have a GD month, and then the next month a David DeAngelo month, lol, where i try pretending to be you or him for a month.
hmm, im going to have to buy a plat membership to lookup all the advice youve given to me! lol.
Island Son said:
Forget the "talking" stuff, it comes after not before. I think most of the women here have ideals about what they'd like to happen, not what actually works.
If it's a club, it's probably too loud to hear each other. What you need is to be dressed appropriately+1 (blend in, but be slightly better than average), take care of the details (breath/teeth/hair/shoes), and be laid back. Make confident eye contact, if she looks back, then escalate to a smile. When she give you the vibe (sometimes it's a smile, sometimes she's suddenly next to you) then dance with her for a bit, lead her off the floor... separate and kill
oh, and only go after the ones you really want. No woman wants to talk to you if you've been insincerely bouncing around the room.
don't depend on wingmen, just be interested, social, chat with people, introduce them to each other etc. Remember, it's fun!
i rarely ever get good vibes from women, so i have to ask them cold, lol.
i need to work on not moving around the room so much. maybe if i fail on about 10 women i just need to switch and drive to a different club. just club hop every night until i get some kisses instead of staying at one club all lonely for 3 hours.
club hopping is expensive though with all those dang cover fees.
you are right though that its too loud to talk in the club.
Island Son said:
You should check out a west indian soca club sometime. Nobody asks, you just grab a random woman from behind, grind for a couple minutes, release, grab another woman, repeat. No talking, no names. Fricking awesome
havent heard of it before. link please!
Tweakle said:
Remembering your last jaunt the one time you got some action, you had one hottie dancing with you. Then you went back to the skank who turned you down previously and lo and behold she was suddenly interested in the contents of your pants.
girls see other girls blowing you off and don't want the 2nd prize. Girls want what other girls want, doesn't matter if it's a bag of dogshit, if other girls want it then it must be valuable.
There is a lesson to be learned from this, if you can figure out what it is.
ignore the 30 something women posting about not wanting young stevie to rub his package on them.. the kid is going to horrible cheeseball funbars filled with drunk teenagers and skanks in their early 20's. The only women in your age bracket in places like that are blown out old cougars looking to re-affirm that they're still worth something in the sexual marketplace
u dont have it quite right, the first woman wanted to get in my pants even when i first started dancing with her, but she had to take a break to see if she could win some dumb trip to vegas thing. she didnt even see me dancing with the other girl, the other girl had left by the time she came back
but you are right about how women are attracted to men who can attract other women
its that just in my case thats not how it happened, lol.
Yarg! said:
talk after, they cant hear you on the dance floor.
try to get into the club bout 4hrs before closing otherwise they might all be taken.
trying to bust into a group of 3 women by yourself is hard, they would not want to sperate from their friends infront of them. so how do you get them to seperate? well you can depend on a wingman .. if they dont look like shit, or ask them all to dance if youre good looking and can dance , however i find the best way to single out women is to stand near the bar
and pretend youre pondering a drink to order. when a girl comes up to buy a drink by herself, ask her to dance. also you can stand some distance from the bathrooms (usually there is only one route in clubs to the bathroom so stand at the outskirts of the dance floor, and not too close to the bathroom itself lest you come off looking like a pervert or something). when a good looking one comes out by herself, 'hey u want to dance?".
try it: your options recap:
dress impecibally
try to ask them all to dance at once
get a wingman
stand near the bar and ask them to dance /drinks from there
stand a distance (15-20 ft) from the bathroom and ask them to dance as they come out
thanks. i like the idea about standing at a bar and asking them to dance after they get their drink.
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