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How many people dont do flat barbell bench anymore?
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prophet
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bench press hit shoulders tris more than chest imo
liquidmuscle
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i do flat and incline never decline
The only barbell work I do anymore is incline, and about once every 2-3 months I do barbell bench, for the same reasons...it just causes too much pain. The freedom of range of motion is much better with dumbells.
benchpressr23
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Flat is the only thing I always incorparate
marky
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same here
For free weight chest now I only do inclines mostly with dumbells and occasionally barbells. But Ive gotten away from flat barbell. Still do flat dumbell or Hammer Strength machine bench. The pop in my rt shoulder and the pain iin the tendons keep me away from flat barbell bench. Suck cause I knew I cold get past the 405 mark
The Terminator said:
For free weight chest now I only do inclines mostly with dumbells and occasionally barbells. But Ive gotten away from flat barbell. Still do flat dumbell or Hammer Strength machine bench. The pop in my rt shoulder and the pain iin the tendons keep me away from flat barbell bench. Suck cause I knew I cold get past the 405 mark
Metal Gear
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Lately I've been benching on the smith machine and been getting great results, especially close grip with elbows out. Hits the mid chest like no other.
Big-Puncher
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havent done barbell in a while, ever since I hit 405, my right shoulder doesnt seem to like that type of weight anymore and on that range of motion. Too bad casue I loved slapping 4 plates a side and going for it, but my body has spoken.
bbkingpin
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I do flat bench but lately everything is becoming painful and my joints are now a powerful voice when it comes to lifts. I'm 31 now but I remember when these discussions about your joints were something I could not appreciate. Getting old sucks. I have terrible arthritis in my left hip and knee. Tricep extensions are killing my elbows these days. It sucks.
I benchpress max every week I do over 405 with good form on the flat free weight bench..
Sounds like some people here need to change your form..You will fck up yourself if you bench elbows out with the bar coming high on the chest or pushing back up over your head.
You need to bench by bringing the bar down to the top of the abs and straight back up NOT back up over your face..
Check the powerlifting board for info
Sounds like some people here need to change your form..You will fck up yourself if you bench elbows out with the bar coming high on the chest or pushing back up over your head.
You need to bench by bringing the bar down to the top of the abs and straight back up NOT back up over your face..
Check the powerlifting board for info
haxedout said:
Shows me that you know nothing about lifting heavy and makes me understand why bodybuilders keep injuring themselves benching heavy.
I have seen thousands of reps done heavy by powerlifters and seen only a few bounces..On the other hand it is much more common to see ego driven bodybuilders bounce the weight off their chests which I have seen over 100 times easily.
Wraps dont help you lift more weight in benching they just protect your wrists and most powerlifting benching is done without a shirt. A shirt is to help you protect your delts/pecs while pausing and yes you can lift a little more weight with them generally speaking.
A powerlifter has to PAUSE the weight on their chest during a contest (I have done 2 contests) so why would they bounce in training?
BigD50 said:
because we have much more stress.. i weigh 205.. bench 405 without arching/wraps etc.... 19 yrs old.... 34 inch waist.. you on the other hand are most likely FAT.. like all powerlifters i meet... eww... why lift just to say "hey i can bench 700 lbs" when u look like shit..
haxedout said:
because we have much more stress.. i weigh 205.. bench 405 without arching/wraps etc.... 19 yrs old.... 34 inch waist.. you on the other hand are most likely FAT.. like all powerlifters i meet... eww... why lift just to say "hey i can bench 700 lbs" when u look like shit..
Why don't you post a pic of yourself and we will see who looks better. Alot of powerlifters are bodybuilders as well, just a lot stronger. I weigh a little more than you and bench a lot more and guess what my waist is smaller than yours. From your comments I can tell that you know nothing about powerlifting because if you have ever been to a meet you will see a lot of guys that look incredible. Also it's easy to tell that you don't know much about benching either because if 405 is all you can get at 205 and on the juice well.....i guess you could neverdo a powerlifting meet or back up anything that comes out of your mouth. I guess sometimes when your young and ignorant you know everything don't you! I'll let you get back to your cable cross-overs now.
haxedout said:
because we have much more stress.. i weigh 205.. bench 405 without arching/wraps etc.... 19 yrs old.... 34 inch waist.. you on the other hand are most likely FAT.. like all powerlifters i meet... eww... why lift just to say "hey i can bench 700 lbs" when u look like shit..
Why don't you post a pic of yourself and we will see who looks better. Alot of powerlifters are bodybuilders as well, just a lot stronger. I weigh a little more than you and bench a lot more and guess what my waist is smaller than yours. From your comments I can tell that you know nothing about powerlifting because if you have ever been to a meet you will see a lot of guys that look incredible. Also it's easy to tell that you don't know much about benching either because if 405 is all you can get at 205 and on the juice well.....I guess you could never do a powerlifting meet or back up anything that comes out of your mouth. I guess sometimes when your young and ignorant you know everything don't you! I'll let you get back to your cable cross-overs now.
Pacesetter
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haxedout said:
because we have much more stress.. i weigh 205.. bench 405 without arching/wraps etc.... 19 yrs old.... 34 inch waist.. you on the other hand are most likely FAT.. like all powerlifters i meet... eww... why lift just to say "hey i can bench 700 lbs" when u look like shit..
Well Im only benching around 780 lbs at a bodyweight of 230, 14 years old and 24 inch waist. I guess I can't be good at everything I do in life.
Metal Gear
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I have to agree on flat bench that it hits my front delts and tris more than my chest also. That's why I do closer grip. Decline is worthless and puts even more stress in the RC. I bench 495 for max, but that don't mean shit. I don't get a pump or a good work out out of it. Put 3 plates on and go for the burn, 20+ reps. Now that's a burn!
Victorian guy
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'fluff exercises'
I like that...'fluff exercises'....now that is some good material "Fluff exercise POOFTERS at my gym!" coming up!
People getting smacked around, laughed at, humiliated, and beaten with a chain for being a bunch of fluff-exercising pansies!
BigD50 said:
I like that...'fluff exercises'....now that is some good material "Fluff exercise POOFTERS at my gym!" coming up!
People getting smacked around, laughed at, humiliated, and beaten with a chain for being a bunch of fluff-exercising pansies!
Rogue Warrior
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I don't bench anymore. My form was just getting too sloppy. I would slap on 8 plates, strut around the gym like I was the shit, and get ready for my lift.
I would let the bar fee fall to my sternum and then yell for my partner to help (he got a good deadlift workout when he spotted for me). He was prety kewl. He always said "its all you bro!"
Those were the dayz!!
I would let the bar fee fall to my sternum and then yell for my partner to help (he got a good deadlift workout when he spotted for me). He was prety kewl. He always said "its all you bro!"
Those were the dayz!!
I benchpress max every week I do over 405 with good form on the flat free weight bench..
Sounds like some people here need to change your form..You will fck up yourself if you bench elbows out with the bar coming high on the chest or pushing back up over your head.
.....bet a powerlifter said that.....i have found that what you hve stated promotes good tri strength and growth...i am tired of the myth that barbell flats are 90% tri's, if you use a wide grip with elbows slightly extended and hit just below the pecs, you work the total chest, you will work more shoulder and back that way, but isnt that why we all need to work delts.....if you work your delts more, you pain you feel will be minimal if at all, also, to help ease elbow pain, do some forearm work...it will tighten up around your tendons....and when I lift like this, i still use my tri's, but they are used less then what they would be using the above form...dumbells are great for definition but there is n othing for mass and strength like the barbell press.....
Sounds like some people here need to change your form..You will fck up yourself if you bench elbows out with the bar coming high on the chest or pushing back up over your head.
.....bet a powerlifter said that.....i have found that what you hve stated promotes good tri strength and growth...i am tired of the myth that barbell flats are 90% tri's, if you use a wide grip with elbows slightly extended and hit just below the pecs, you work the total chest, you will work more shoulder and back that way, but isnt that why we all need to work delts.....if you work your delts more, you pain you feel will be minimal if at all, also, to help ease elbow pain, do some forearm work...it will tighten up around your tendons....and when I lift like this, i still use my tri's, but they are used less then what they would be using the above form...dumbells are great for definition but there is n othing for mass and strength like the barbell press.....
A few months ago I had gyno surgery and I could work out after two weeks but I couldnt do chest. So I started up some fina at first just to keep my muscle but I was getting good gains off of it alone. My nuts didnt shrink and I didnt get fina dick so I kept running it, I ended up gaining 15 pounds. I couldnt do chest for like 3 months until last week. I decided to prolong the fina a little and cut a bit so now im doing chest again. My incline is up 20 pounds and I haven't done it in three months. But the point to this is ive noticed my delts used to be a lot larger then my other body parts, and now they dont look like that. Now they are in proportion. I think they looked better out of proportion.
So Im training bench twice a week, on low volume and im seeing improvement. I rotate excersies on incline, decline, dips, and flys. Despite what that other guy said I think decline is a good excersise.
So Im training bench twice a week, on low volume and im seeing improvement. I rotate excersies on incline, decline, dips, and flys. Despite what that other guy said I think decline is a good excersise.
This is one that is truly an individual matter depending on ones anatomy. As far as flat out pectoral involvement, dips are a much better exercise though,( and hardly a pussy exercise) but they tear some guys shoulders up. I have a bad shoulder (from benching, what else) but dips don't bother me. Inclines kill me but military presses and even behind the head presses don't. Go figure.
Nevertheless, having been around for a while, it seems that sooner or later if you train long enough, you stop bench pressing.
As an aside, I've also found that among the older guys, pressing movements are the first to go. Don't know why. I can row and curl as much as ever. Deadlift more than ever. But all pressing movements are on a steady decline. Must have spoken to a dozen old timers who say the same thing.
Nevertheless, having been around for a while, it seems that sooner or later if you train long enough, you stop bench pressing.
As an aside, I've also found that among the older guys, pressing movements are the first to go. Don't know why. I can row and curl as much as ever. Deadlift more than ever. But all pressing movements are on a steady decline. Must have spoken to a dozen old timers who say the same thing.
Warmachine
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lol i like how BigD50 said "405 is all you can get at 205"
probobly the funniest shit ive heard today
Now im no freak, and ive always considered myself weak, but if i can EVER bench 400 i will be surprised. ive always been able to press only like 20-30lbs more than i weigh. i work hard, i see great muscle gains, im just not strong.
i think its funny when peaple make fun of someone for not being close to world caliber strong.
one other thing, does anyone notice how strong everyone SAYS they are, yet how many peaple do you see even benching 3 plates at the gym.
ONLY 405....lol
probobly the funniest shit ive heard today
Now im no freak, and ive always considered myself weak, but if i can EVER bench 400 i will be surprised. ive always been able to press only like 20-30lbs more than i weigh. i work hard, i see great muscle gains, im just not strong.
i think its funny when peaple make fun of someone for not being close to world caliber strong.
one other thing, does anyone notice how strong everyone SAYS they are, yet how many peaple do you see even benching 3 plates at the gym.
ONLY 405....lol
02gixxersix
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I never do barbell bench presses. they fuck with my rotator cuff. I like dumbells better cause u get that nice squeeze at the top
Warmachine said:
In my opinion if you weigh 205 or more and on the juice you better to be able to bench 400. Otherwise get off the juice and learn how to train. If you can only bench 20-30 pounds over your body weight you are weak, very weak unless your a woman. Please don't tell me you have done roids on top of it because that would embarrassing. A 400 lb bench is not even close to being world caliber. Maybe a high school record or a record at the health club you workout at. I would guess since your probably only benching 170-180 your muscle gains must be really good like you say.... now that is the fuuny part.
Warmachine
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yeah i know im not strong, and ive done 2 cycles and i can bench 250. no one at my 4A high school could bench 400, i think the record was about 350.
ive seen training methods that increase your bench, but because they will negatively impact my gains i wont do them. all over development is more important to me than an abstract number
(i do like it when i can get stronger though)
anyway, i dont understand the need to insult peaple just because they arnt naturally blessed with the god-like strength you seem to possess. You cant hold others to your standards when your standards are that high. I believe form has alot to do with it however. Could you describe the best form for pure power work? Maybe if i practice that i could hit 300 by summer.
this being a board where the subject matter is steroids, i dont doubt that you are very strong, but some people are just not born atheletes.
ive seen training methods that increase your bench, but because they will negatively impact my gains i wont do them. all over development is more important to me than an abstract number
(i do like it when i can get stronger though)
anyway, i dont understand the need to insult peaple just because they arnt naturally blessed with the god-like strength you seem to possess. You cant hold others to your standards when your standards are that high. I believe form has alot to do with it however. Could you describe the best form for pure power work? Maybe if i practice that i could hit 300 by summer.
this being a board where the subject matter is steroids, i dont doubt that you are very strong, but some people are just not born atheletes.
Warmachine
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btw-if you can bench DOUBLE your bodyweight, it is an incredible achievement
I think that most people could be stronger than they presently are or can make the progress they want to. I think training certain ways can and do help building strength. Also I feel that building strength helps to build muscle gains as well. I think the two go hand in hand. I think that if you are interested in building more strength check out some of the powerlifting forums here and on the net and find out what works for you. Look at some of the guys that are close to your size and look at what their doing and look at what kind of shape their in. I think wanting to build more strength helps a person to keep motivated in the gym to push themselves. You never know, you might suprise yourself and be a lot stronger than you thought with a little of the right training.
Imnotdutch
butler monkey
haxedout said:
And how many real powerlifters do you know?? By real powerlifter I dont mean the fat boys down the gym who get off on giving themselves the PL title cos they can't lean down.
The rules in powerlifting are very clear........if you bounce you fail the lift. You have to pause the weight so you can't bounce in a legit lift. Not all powerlifters have a big arch. Take a look at some pics of Kennelly, Mendy, PLJ......none have a big arch and they lift BIG. Shirts are there for a reason.......notice all the people on this thread with bad shoulders?? As for the wraps......only wrist wraps are allowed. How does a wrist wrap help you push the weight up?
You sound like somebody who is trying to justify not being the biggest bencher out there.........
Imnotdutch
butler monkey
In powerlifting terms a 405 at 205 is nothing to shout about. Why would you be suprised if you ever bench 400? If you set yout sights low you cant expect to make big progress.
BTW real powerlifters aren't that common so you might not see them in your gym.
BTW real powerlifters aren't that common so you might not see them in your gym.
Warmachine said:
Metal Gear
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The way I look at it is if you are a bodybuilder, it can't be "All show, no go!" If you are jucing you better do min. of 3 plates for reps....MINIMUM! Some jerk off gets on the board and put a thread that he squated 3 plates for 1 rep and everyone and their mother props him??? WTF is that? This is a STEROID FORUM!! Get a fucken clue. I can squad 3 plates with my dick. And then when you try to tell the guy that its no big deal, everyone gets on your case....come on guys!
It's like me walking up to a bunch of 280+ lbs bodybuilders and brag about my 400+ bench...They would say "and then??" what's your point? You have to know who your audience is before you start to brag about your accomplishments. Maybe if it was bunch of girls in the group they would be impressed, but if you want to impress me, you better be doing more weights than me!
It's like me walking up to a bunch of 280+ lbs bodybuilders and brag about my 400+ bench...They would say "and then??" what's your point? You have to know who your audience is before you start to brag about your accomplishments. Maybe if it was bunch of girls in the group they would be impressed, but if you want to impress me, you better be doing more weights than me!
Robert Jan
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"If you can only bench 20-30 pounds over your body weight you are weak, very weak unless your a woman. "
I`m 16 yrs old, stand 6"4 and weigh 225 lbs, have a 34 inch waist and i cant bench my own bodyweight. I can deadlift about 360 now and thats constantly rising and i think im doing well for a 16 yr old natural.
I`m 16 yrs old, stand 6"4 and weigh 225 lbs, have a 34 inch waist and i cant bench my own bodyweight. I can deadlift about 360 now and thats constantly rising and i think im doing well for a 16 yr old natural.
strangebrew
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Height plays a huge part in it too....its obviously a lot easier to bench twice your weight when your 5'4 or some shit.
Imnotdutch
butler monkey
strangebrew said:
Height isn't the issue.......that is oversimplifying the situation. You need to have a short bench stroke. That can happen naturally if you have a deep chest and short arms or you can do it through technique (using an arch for example).
Warmachine said:
yea my 405 was recorded by a school.. it can be confirmed by a telephone call.... as you can see i dont really like/understand powerlifting, but how many people you know my age can do what i do... not many.. ive met one.. my training partner, if you arch/wrap or anything dont respond.. cause ura cheater... i dont care what injury it helps prevent, it aids in the lifting, which in turn will make u lift more.. thats cheating... later
marky
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Heavy bench presses dont guarantee the bigger nor better looking set of pecs. So whats the goal? Mine is the best most shaped and cut set of pecs with decent size. Strenght training doesnt alone build a good set of slabs. So theres no reason to lose it doing heavy bench and getting injuries. Arnold didnt get his massive chest from my bench is better than yours. He developed them from multiple angles and overload.
The power clean is not a powerlifting competition movement. It's not even an Olympic lifting competition movement. It's an Olympic lifting training movement.haxedout said:
actaully i have won a power lifting meet(ohio state high school meet).. benched 380, won the bench competition.. didnt squat/deadlift. or power clean because i was just out of knee surgery(acl)... yea yea.. i look better...
So what type of "competition" was this exactly?
You know nothing about powerlifting. Real powerlifters have the three movements down to and exact science in the extreme. Stop by http://www.powermagonline.com/ some time, you might learn something.haxedout said:
There's only about a dozen lifters in the world that have benched over 700lbs, and yes of course they were all superheavys.haxedout said:
because we have much more stress.. i weigh 205.. bench 405 without arching/wraps etc.... 19 yrs old.... 34 inch waist.. you on the other hand are most likely FAT.. like all powerlifters i meet... eww... why lift just to say "hey i can bench 700 lbs" when u look like shit..
Go to a real powerlifting meet and tell me anyone in the 220lb and under class looks like shit.
man
I dont get it at all.
How many people walking around can bench 400lbs? I hear everybody saying that 400 aint shit, but see very few that can do it raw without bouncing the shit half way up and having their arms so far apart its funny. I go to many gyms in my area and can count on my hands and feet all the people that can get 400lbs ONCE with good form. Of those I can count on my hands the few that can rep it with good form. So alot of these "internet lifters" are spinning tales.
Hell in the NFL, 405 is a great lift. Its what eddie george benches and he is 240 cut. Is he weak? I dont think so.
I myself dont flat bench, but close grip bench(2 fingers in the smooth part of the bar) and can hit 4 plates for reps easy. So to all the guys not at 400 lbs yet, dont listen to that aint strong shit. 400 lbs is strong, but maybe not compared to the 700lb lifters out there, but to the other 99.9 percent of the population you will be strong as shit.
I dont see how people can talk down on that shit even when they have blasted past the mark. Its so arrogant. Like ted arcidi says, most these guys putting up these numbers with fucking wraps, shirts made from kevlar and all kinds of bullshit can barely hit a 500 raw lift.
Besides this has nothing to do with a how you look. This one guy I seen hit 400lbs 10 times looks like shit. Like he doesnt even lift. Than a built up bodybuilder in the same gym can only get it once, but has twice the muscle development.
I dont get it at all.
How many people walking around can bench 400lbs? I hear everybody saying that 400 aint shit, but see very few that can do it raw without bouncing the shit half way up and having their arms so far apart its funny. I go to many gyms in my area and can count on my hands and feet all the people that can get 400lbs ONCE with good form. Of those I can count on my hands the few that can rep it with good form. So alot of these "internet lifters" are spinning tales.
Hell in the NFL, 405 is a great lift. Its what eddie george benches and he is 240 cut. Is he weak? I dont think so.
I myself dont flat bench, but close grip bench(2 fingers in the smooth part of the bar) and can hit 4 plates for reps easy. So to all the guys not at 400 lbs yet, dont listen to that aint strong shit. 400 lbs is strong, but maybe not compared to the 700lb lifters out there, but to the other 99.9 percent of the population you will be strong as shit.
I dont see how people can talk down on that shit even when they have blasted past the mark. Its so arrogant. Like ted arcidi says, most these guys putting up these numbers with fucking wraps, shirts made from kevlar and all kinds of bullshit can barely hit a 500 raw lift.
Besides this has nothing to do with a how you look. This one guy I seen hit 400lbs 10 times looks like shit. Like he doesnt even lift. Than a built up bodybuilder in the same gym can only get it once, but has twice the muscle development.
Skullfucked
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consider some ART (active release) for your shoulders. Check out the site www.activerelease.commarky said:
Milos Sarcev almost underwent double shoulder surgery and overcame it by using it. If you love benching look into it.
Imnotdutch
butler monkey
Re: man
Originally posted by me2dammit
I dont get it at all.
How many people walking around can bench 400lbs? I hear everybody saying that 400 aint shit, but see very few that can do it raw without bouncing the shit half way up and having their arms so far apart its funny.
I guess this depends upon the type of gym that you train at. Most seriously strong guys wont find what they need at a fitness centre or alot of commercial gyms. So they train at home of gyms specifically designed for those wanting strength rather than looks.
I go to many gyms in my area and can count on my hands and feet all the people that can get 400lbs ONCE with good form. Of those I can count on my hands the few that can rep it with good form. So alot of these "internet lifters" are spinning tales.
I agree in that many people exaggerate when on the net. However, many of these people have done the lifts in a powerlifting meet and can back up what they say with records.
Hell in the NFL, 405 is a great lift. Its what eddie george benches and he is 240 cut. Is he weak? I dont think so.
Compared to a powerlifter he is weak.
I myself dont flat bench, but close grip bench(2 fingers in the smooth part of the bar) and can hit 4 plates for reps easy. So to all the guys not at 400 lbs yet, dont listen to that aint strong shit. 400 lbs is strong, but maybe not compared to the 700lb lifters out there, but to the other 99.9 percent of the population you will be strong as shit.
You hit the nail on the head......it is all relative. I think those claiming 400 isn't shit are comparing themselves to other lifters and not the general population.
I dont see how people can talk down on that shit even when they have blasted past the mark. Its so arrogant. Like ted arcidi says, most these guys putting up these numbers with fucking wraps, shirts made from kevlar and all kinds of bullshit can barely hit a 500 raw lift.
Shirts are not made from Kevlar. If you want a good example.....Powerlifterjay benched a little over 600 in one of the shirts that you think does all of the work........he can do 550 raw. Shirts don't do as much as mostpeople think.
Besides this has nothing to do with a how you look. This one guy I seen hit 400lbs 10 times looks like shit. Like he doesnt even lift. Than a built up bodybuilder in the same gym can only get it once, but has twice the muscle development.
Powerlifters dont give a shit about looks.....as a rule of thumb. Powerlifters are about getting as strong as possible. Bodybuilding is about looks. But if you want to compare what you bench press and your a bodybuilder, be prepared to be told that you are relatively weak.
Originally posted by me2dammit
I dont get it at all.
How many people walking around can bench 400lbs? I hear everybody saying that 400 aint shit, but see very few that can do it raw without bouncing the shit half way up and having their arms so far apart its funny.
I guess this depends upon the type of gym that you train at. Most seriously strong guys wont find what they need at a fitness centre or alot of commercial gyms. So they train at home of gyms specifically designed for those wanting strength rather than looks.
I go to many gyms in my area and can count on my hands and feet all the people that can get 400lbs ONCE with good form. Of those I can count on my hands the few that can rep it with good form. So alot of these "internet lifters" are spinning tales.
I agree in that many people exaggerate when on the net. However, many of these people have done the lifts in a powerlifting meet and can back up what they say with records.
Hell in the NFL, 405 is a great lift. Its what eddie george benches and he is 240 cut. Is he weak? I dont think so.
Compared to a powerlifter he is weak.
I myself dont flat bench, but close grip bench(2 fingers in the smooth part of the bar) and can hit 4 plates for reps easy. So to all the guys not at 400 lbs yet, dont listen to that aint strong shit. 400 lbs is strong, but maybe not compared to the 700lb lifters out there, but to the other 99.9 percent of the population you will be strong as shit.
You hit the nail on the head......it is all relative. I think those claiming 400 isn't shit are comparing themselves to other lifters and not the general population.
I dont see how people can talk down on that shit even when they have blasted past the mark. Its so arrogant. Like ted arcidi says, most these guys putting up these numbers with fucking wraps, shirts made from kevlar and all kinds of bullshit can barely hit a 500 raw lift.
Shirts are not made from Kevlar. If you want a good example.....Powerlifterjay benched a little over 600 in one of the shirts that you think does all of the work........he can do 550 raw. Shirts don't do as much as mostpeople think.
Besides this has nothing to do with a how you look. This one guy I seen hit 400lbs 10 times looks like shit. Like he doesnt even lift. Than a built up bodybuilder in the same gym can only get it once, but has twice the muscle development.
Powerlifters dont give a shit about looks.....as a rule of thumb. Powerlifters are about getting as strong as possible. Bodybuilding is about looks. But if you want to compare what you bench press and your a bodybuilder, be prepared to be told that you are relatively weak.
Imnotdutch
butler monkey
genarr3 said:
You forgot about George Halbert. 733 at 215lb bw.
The Almighty
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I havent done flat barbell bench in at least 6 months. DBs are the way to go in my opinion.
Imnotdutch
butler monkey
haxedout said:
yea u stand corrected again guru..... power cleans are olympic lifts.... aka clean and jerk.... the snatch is major olympic lift which is basically a power clean "movement" as you would say....
I hate to correct you but a clean and jerk is entirely different from a power clean. You might find this site helpful:
http://www.olympus.net/personal/cablebar/
A powerclean is a specific movement that is very different from both competition lifts.
Imnotdutch said:
no its not.. i used to do both every week for a long time when i played football.. it is basically the same thing... in common words the only difference is the grip.. feet movement and putting the damn bar over your head.. now u may be thinking of the snatch vs the power clean .. but either way it is still done in the olympics....
Okay - what would you guys consider strong?
In my book a bench 100lbs over bodywieght you are above average in strength. 200lbs you are extremely strong - well above the norm. And if you are benching 300lbs over your bodywieght your a freak.
Most people can't bench their own wieght let alone 100lbs over their bodywieght. Its all a matter of what your goals are - who cares what others think or say about your achievments.
In my book a bench 100lbs over bodywieght you are above average in strength. 200lbs you are extremely strong - well above the norm. And if you are benching 300lbs over your bodywieght your a freak.
Most people can't bench their own wieght let alone 100lbs over their bodywieght. Its all a matter of what your goals are - who cares what others think or say about your achievments.
genarr3 said:
............. how many time u done power cleans, clean and jerk and snatches? huh prolly none.. i know from experience.. quit being litlle internet bitches and posting websites that dont meen a thing....most people thought i was fucking crazy when i did cleans etc,.. they didnt know wut they were.. and evidently you dont either.. thank you....Imnotdutch said:
the site shows a mother fucker doing push presses... and talks about hang cleans... hang pulls etc.. do you guys actually know what these lifts are? because i do... i used to be an athlete and these are athletic lifts... you guys done anything besides powerlifting and bodybuilding...? and keep on correcting me with your false corrections.. ima make a fucking video tape of every single one of these lifts and mail the shit to ya......(halo kicking in), and i aint letting the post drop, you think ur right.. i know im right.. later
and the site shows.. many variations of cleans.. and the jerk.. but it doesnt show .. the clean and jerk... first ya power clean the shit then ya drop under or back (preference) and explode the weight up while push pressing the shit in the air... thats a god damn clean and jerk.... 
Imnotdutch
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haxedout said:no its not.. i used to do both every week for a long time when i played football.. it is basically the same thing... in common words the only difference is the grip.. feet movement and putting the damn bar over your head.. now u may be thinking of the snatch vs the power clean .. but either way it is still done in the olympics....
The only thing that is different is the grip, the feet movement and putting the bar over your head???!!!! So that would be just about everything is different right!! Butt hen you used the term 'aka' so that would mean that it was just another name for exactly the same lift........which you admit it isn't now. Why do I get the impression that you aere ripping all of your info off the web and making mistakes??
For the record I have done all three (sometimes badly!!)........alot of people use these movements. You aren't the only person to have ever done them. Many powerlifters use these lifts as auxillary lifts........
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