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How did you find God?

mini_mouse said:


I think it's more the inaccuracies in the Bible (e.g. its inconsistencies) that are most telling when it comes to giving insight toward the social, political, cultural and economic issues of the day. A lot of the dates and characters are verifiable and so, in this sense, the Bible is a worthy historical document but, as with most historical sources, it's the telling of the tale that most tells of the teller. For example, take the Gospel of John and compare it to the other three Gospels. The sequence of events are totally different and the places of emphasis are completely different too. In John, for example, Jesus' human lineage is ignored and he is instead promoted as the supernatural Word. In the Synoptics, however, he is linked to the line of David, and a good many chapters are dedicated to his infant human development and parentage. All the Gospel writers are writing about the same man, however, because they have different messages about him that they wish to emphasise, they tell their tales differently. It's inconsistency like this that, for me at least, speaks the most about the cultural climate at the time each verse, chapter and book was written.

... sorry for the ramble ... I'm really interested in the philosophy of religion so I tend to get a bit verbose ;)

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:sulk: <<<<<< me


bye now;)

j/k well um I cannot touch that one.

but there are indeed some remarkable instances of accuracy that cannot be denied.

the thing that really bakes my noodle is the prophesies.

there are 8 out of like 300+ THAT CAME TRUE, THAT even the most schepticle have said "yea shoot I can't refute that one"

a mathematician, who used the relatively new science of probablity took those 8 prophecies and basically said the likely hood of those being able to come true was something like piling the entire state of texas with sliver dollars 2 feet high, marking one of the silver dollars with a red x, and telling someone with a blinde fold to go in and find the marked silver dollar.


non the less 8 univerSALLY ACCEPTED HAVE COME TRUE, ALTHOUGH i can't name them, cus I am not a scholar

one example is the prosperous city of TYRE, and it's overthrow by NEBAKANEZZUR, and it final destruction many years later by Alexander the Great...this was all predicted and recorded with extreme accuracy.

i'm bableing, but another interesting side note is that the text of the bible itself is extremely accurate with the language of previuos Authors, which thus at least lends some validity to what the preson who wrote the information down at the time was actually seeing.

Rabbis who would transfer the text of the Old testament for example would throw away whole pages of transcribed material if even ONE comma or letter was out of place in the document.

when the dead sea scrolls were found, one entire scroll was found of a complete work..MATHEW, or MARK...soemthing that started with an M but I have now forgotten.

and when scholars went over it and compared it to copies that were modern

the modern text was only 5% off from the original scroll.

how accurate can you get.

4 % innacurracies were ascribed to musplaced lettere, and grammer devices.

and 1 % percent was for the misrepresentation of one word

and that was the word "light"
 
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Peyote Killa said:
Not a single person on this board has found god.
Nor has anyone on this planet found god.

This statement represents complete juvenile and turbid thought. How mentally locked does one get? Unless, you want to attempt to explain, but be warned, there is only one response suitable, because your words are suspect as fuck. If you read this and have a chance, elaborate for me homie. peace, audi 7698500
 
actually i stumbled on to him by mere coincidence. it just so happens we both use the same hair stylist. and we were accidently scheduled at the same time. well an arguement insued, but once he identified himself, it was all good. were tight now. the end.:fro:
 
Peyote Killa said:
Not a single person on this board has found god.
Nor has anyone on this planet found god.

Well . . . we are intitled to our own opinions, after all each and everyone of us has a free will. However, that was a pretty bold statement for someone who has never "walked in my shoes" before.

Please do elaborate . . .
 
OMEGA said:
but there are indeed some remarkable instances of accuracy that cannot be denied.

Yeah, I agree that there is much in the Bible that is accurate ... hehe just not all of it ;)


the thing that really bakes my noodle is the prophesies.

there are 8 out of like 300+ THAT CAME TRUE, THAT even the most schepticle have said "yea shoot I can't refute that one"

a mathematician, who used the relatively new science of probablity took those 8 prophecies and basically said the likely hood of those being able to come true was something like piling the entire state of texas with sliver dollars 2 feet high, marking one of the silver dollars with a red x, and telling someone with a blinde fold to go in and find the marked silver dollar.


non the less 8 univerSALLY ACCEPTED HAVE COME TRUE, ALTHOUGH i can't name them, cus I am not a scholar

Now I'm confused :confused:. 8 out of 300+ prophecies coming true seems to be in line with the laws of probability. If you went to 300+ fortune tellers I'm sure there'd be at least 8 things that they foresee that come true too.


when the dead sea scrolls were found, one entire scroll was found of a complete work..

Yeah, the document is kept on show in the John Rylands Library in Manchester, UK. I had to go and see it with my class a few years ago. It was actually very uninteresting though because, while it is the oldest document in existence, it's about as big as a chewing gum wrapper!

the modern text was only 5% off from the original scroll.

how accurate can you get.

4 % innacurracies were ascribed to musplaced lettere, and grammer devices.

and 1 % percent was for the misrepresentation of one word

and that was the word "light"

That's interesting. Do you know how "light" had been misrepresented? It's a word that is used a huge number of times in John's Gospel, so it obviously meant something very significant to the author.
 
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mini_mouse said:


I think it's more the inaccuracies in the Bible (e.g. its inconsistencies) that are most telling when it comes to giving insight toward the social, political, cultural and economic issues of the day. A lot of the dates and characters are verifiable and so, in this sense, the Bible is a worthy historical document but, as with most historical sources, it's the telling of the tale that most tells of the teller. For example, take the Gospel of John and compare it to the other three Gospels. The sequence of events are totally different and the places of emphasis are completely different too. In John, for example, Jesus' human lineage is ignored and he is instead promoted as the supernatural Word. In the Synoptics, however, he is linked to the line of David, and a good many chapters are dedicated to his infant human development and parentage. All the Gospel writers are writing about the same man, however, because they have different messages about him that they wish to emphasise, they tell their tales differently. It's inconsistency like this that, for me at least, speaks the most about the cultural climate at the time each verse, chapter and book was written.

... sorry for the ramble ... I'm really interested in the philosophy of religion so I tend to get a bit verbose ;)

To me the differences in the gospels do not necessarily denote inconsistency. Each gospel does not tell a conflicting story of Jesus, rather a different story.

If you ask me about MLK, and I tell you about his family, and where he grew up and where he went to school, that's one true story.

If you ask my neighbor about MLK, and he tells you of his leadership abilities, hi morals, and his visions as a revolutionary, that's a different true story.

You have heard two DIFFERENT stories, but not necessarly INCONSISTENT stories.

Like you said, these New Testament Gospels are men telling the stories of the day, so there are bound to be inconsistencies and inaccuracies in some of the extraneous details, but does this detract from the validity or truth of the SPIRITUAL message that the Bible (especially the Old Testament) delivers?
 
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