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MaxMore

MaxMore

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I am a 50-year-old 160-pound man who has been wheelchair-bound for over three years due to fluoroquinolone toxicity, I'm embarking on a journey to regain strength, mobility, and a better quality of life.

It was recommended to me in another post that I start to log, so this will chronicle my progress as I utilize a combination of HGH, Anavar, and BPC-157.

Background

Before my illness, I was an active athlete with a 240-pound bench press. I regularly engaged in strength training and organized sports. Unfortunately, a fluoroquinolone antibiotic called Cipro changed my life drastically. Fluoroquinolone toxicity, a severe condition I got with my doctor prescribed me Cipro. This medication has the highest FDA warning possible, a "Black Box" warning. I was not made aware of this when it was prescribed me.

Despite trying various treatments, including stem cell therapy, an arsenal of other things like tried MD-2822, MK-677, LGD-4070,BPC-500, TB-500, Ipamorelin, and CJC-1295. All of which have made me better, but not enough to get me out of this wheelchair. Although, I had been close a couple of times.

Current Health Status

My current health status is a far cry from my pre-illness self. I have limited use of my arms and hands, and my legs are significantly weakened. Pain is a constant companion, affecting my sleep and overall well-being. I've made dietary adjustments to support my recovery, focusing on lean proteins, fruits, vegetables, and healthy fats.

Treatment Plan

My current treatment plan involves the following:
  • HGH (Human Growth Hormone): I am taking 0.3 mg of Zomaction (HGH) daily.
  • Anavar: I am taking 25 mg of Anavar daily.
  • BPC-157: I am injecting BPC-157 close to my knee.
Goals and Expectations

My primary goals for this treatment are to:
  • Increase muscle mass and strength
  • Reduce pain and improve overall quality of life
  • Improve my ability to perform daily activities
  • Above all else, get out of this wheelchair
This log will serve as a record of my journey and a source of motivation as I strive to rebuild my life.
 
I push my body to the limit already, and sometimes I overdo it. I hurt all over, but my left knee is severely injured, and I also have severe issues with my right shoulder and both hands. Even trying light exercises like riding my recumbent bike or doing a leg extension with no weight will blow up my knee. The only thing I can manage is pushing myself backwards in my wheelchair for about 10 feet, anything more will cause injury.

Here's my current workout routine:

Day 1 (2 sets each):
  • Face pulls (green resistance band)
  • Tricep extensions (2 lb dumbbells)
  • Butterflies (5 lb dumbbells)
  • Bench press (5 lb dumbbells)
  • Side-lying external rotations (2 lb dumbbell)
  • Bent-over rows (5 lb dumbbells)
  • Shrugs (5 lb dumbbells)
  • Front row raises (5 lb dumbbells)
  • Shoulder press (5 lb dumbbells)
  • Shoulder blade pinches
Day 2 (2 sets each):
  • Leg kickbacks
  • Hip circles
  • Side leg raises
  • Straight leg raises (good leg only)
  • Neck yeses/nos (front/back)
  • Back hyperextensions
Day 3: Rest

I work out at night because my arms are too painful to use afterward, and the next day is petty bad too, but by day three, I feel better than if I hadn’t exercised at all. When trying new exercises, it’s all trial and error. I’ve made mistakes before and ended up in more pain, so I have to be careful. I can almost guarantee that some point in the next month I’ll report that I severely hurt myself because I got too ambitious as it happens so frequently. As soon as I feel I can do more I’m going to try. Hopefully the HGH and the Anavar will keep me on track.
 
MaxMore said:
I am a 50-year-old 160-pound man who has been wheelchair-bound for over three years due to fluoroquinolone toxicity, I'm embarking on a journey to regain strength, mobility, and a better quality of life.

It was recommended to me in another post that I start to log, so this will chronicle my progress as I utilize a combination of HGH, Anavar, and BPC-157.

Background

Before my illness, I was an active athlete with a 240-pound bench press. I regularly engaged in strength training and organized sports. Unfortunately, a fluoroquinolone antibiotic called Cipro changed my life drastically. Fluoroquinolone toxicity, a severe condition I got with my doctor prescribed me Cipro. This medication has the highest FDA warning possible, a "Black Box" warning. I was not made aware of this when it was prescribed me.

Despite trying various treatments, including stem cell therapy, an arsenal of other things like tried MD-2822, MK-677, LGD-4070,BPC-500, TB-500, Ipamorelin, and CJC-1295. All of which have made me better, but not enough to get me out of this wheelchair. Although, I had been close a couple of times.

Current Health Status

My current health status is a far cry from my pre-illness self. I have limited use of my arms and hands, and my legs are significantly weakened. Pain is a constant companion, affecting my sleep and overall well-being. I've made dietary adjustments to support my recovery, focusing on lean proteins, fruits, vegetables, and healthy fats.

Treatment Plan

My current treatment plan involves the following:
  • HGH (Human Growth Hormone): I am taking 0.3 mg of Zomaction (HGH) daily.
  • Anavar: I am taking 25 mg of Anavar daily.
  • BPC-157: I am injecting BPC-157 close to my knee.
Goals and Expectations

My primary goals for this treatment are to:
  • Increase muscle mass and strength
  • Reduce pain and improve overall quality of life
  • Improve my ability to perform daily activities
  • Above all else, get out of this wheelchair
This log will serve as a record of my journey and a source of motivation as I strive to rebuild my life.
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@MaxMore wow! finally you started thank you, the EF family welcomes you with big open arms. :) you will rebuild your life with out family.


Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger, I see first 2 days perfect start stay sharing
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what supps you use?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

thank you and share more :)
 
MaxMore said:
I push my body to the limit already, and sometimes I overdo it. I hurt all over, but my left knee is severely injured, and I also have severe issues with my right shoulder and both hands. Even trying light exercises like riding my recumbent bike or doing a leg extension with no weight will blow up my knee. The only thing I can manage is pushing myself backwards in my wheelchair for about 10 feet, anything more will cause injury.

Here's my current workout routine:

Day 1 (2 sets each):
  • Face pulls (green resistance band)
  • Tricep extensions (2 lb dumbbells)
  • Butterflies (5 lb dumbbells)
  • Bench press (5 lb dumbbells)
  • Side-lying external rotations (2 lb dumbbell)
  • Bent-over rows (5 lb dumbbells)
  • Shrugs (5 lb dumbbells)
  • Front row raises (5 lb dumbbells)
  • Shoulder press (5 lb dumbbells)
  • Shoulder blade pinches
Day 2 (2 sets each):
  • Leg kickbacks
  • Hip circles
  • Side leg raises
  • Straight leg raises (good leg only)
  • Neck yeses/nos (front/back)
  • Back hyperextensions
Day 3: Rest

I work out at night because my arms are too painful to use afterward, and the next day is petty bad too, but by day three, I feel better than if I hadn’t exercised at all. When trying new exercises, it’s all trial and error. I’ve made mistakes before and ended up in more pain, so I have to be careful. I can almost guarantee that some point in the next month I’ll report that I severely hurt myself because I got too ambitious as it happens so frequently. As soon as I feel I can do more I’m going to try. Hopefully the HGH and the Anavar will keep me on track.
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power training day, can you add yoga daily? :)
 
Is there any way u can do physical therapy and have a trainer or anyone help stretch you and provide tension to your legs laying on your back and pushing very lightly? Even a small amount of resistance will help.
 
I'm no longer working with physical therapists because none of them understand how to handle fluoroquinolone toxicity. Last year, under my doctor’s advice, I took BPC, TB-500, CJV, and Ipamorelin. Over four months, I went from not being able to walk at all to taking 30 steps with a walker on my own.

At that point, I sought professional physical therapy to push further. They put me on an antigravity treadmill that reduces 50% of your body weight. On my third visit, they increased the distance and completely blew out my knee, undoing months of progress in one session. I can’t afford to risk that again. A similar thing happened in a previous physical therapy attempt. That's why I have to be extra careful and do it this time totally on my own.
 
Had to look that up. Nasty side effect.

In my gym we have one of my 'cmon buddy keep pushing' members who is wheelchair bound but still gets it done.
 
100% people should stay away from cipro
anti biotics like penicillin are also dangerous
 
I wish you a speedy recovery
has there been other people who have been able to come back with this condition?
 
thank you for putting up this log
i've used ciptro before so this is scary :(
 
Diet
I tend to eat almost the same meals every day.

Breakfast/Lunch (12:30 PM):
  • Three pasture-raised eggs
  • A fresh salad
  • Decaf coffee with chocolate powder
Snack (3:30 PM):
  • Whole milk Greek yogurt with fruit and walnuts
Dinner (6:30 PM) [generally one of the following]:
  • Chicken salad
  • Baked chicken
  • Either ground beef or another chicken-based dish
Supplements:
  • Creatine
  • L-glutamine
  • NMN
  • Colostrum
  • Various forms of magnesium
  • Turmeric
  • CoQ10
  • Cissus
  • Serrapeptase
  • L-Leucine
  • Collagen peptides
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Gear:

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Me Now:
This is a bit embarrassing. I knew I didn’t look good, but I didn’t realize just how bad it was until I saw a recent picture of myself. My avatar was from a time before I took Cipro.
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Quadsweep said:
I'm hoping that you can recover from this
when did these issues start after you took it?
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The issue began right after I took Cipro. Initially, it was just tendinitis in my knee and elbow, so I didn’t think much of it. But it didn’t stop there—it gradually spread. Over the next few years, it affected almost my entire body, and that’s when I realized something was seriously wrong.
 
BodyMonster34 said:
bro you should sue that doctor who gave you that
sounds like they deserve it
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I can't sue the doctor or the company that made the medication because the statute of limitations has passed. It took me nearly 10 years to figure out what disease I had, and only through persistent research was I able to piece everything together. Unfortunately, there’s no test for this disease, so even though I was severely affected and ended up in a wheelchair, doctors dismissed my condition during the first few years.
 
MaxMore said:
Diet
I tend to eat almost the same meals every day.

Breakfast/Lunch (12:30 PM):
  • Three pasture-raised eggs
  • A fresh salad
  • Decaf coffee with chocolate powder
Snack (3:30 PM):
  • Whole milk Greek yogurt with fruit and walnuts
Dinner (6:30 PM) [generally one of the following]:
  • Chicken salad
  • Baked chicken
  • Either ground beef or another chicken-based dish
Supplements:
  • Creatine
  • L-glutamine
  • NMN
  • Colostrum
  • Various forms of magnesium
  • Turmeric
  • CoQ10
  • Cissus
  • Serrapeptase
  • L-Leucine
  • Collagen peptides
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Gear:

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Me Now:
This is a bit embarrassing. I knew I didn’t look good, but I didn’t realize just how bad it was until I saw a recent picture of myself. My avatar was from a time before I took Cipro.
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@MaxMore actually you look good, great base to start and grow :)

question, do you have budget to add bone broth lets say 2-3 times per day?
also supplements we need to know how much fish oil you doing pleases share
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
@MaxMore actually you look good, great base to start and grow :)

question, do you have budget to add bone broth lets say 2-3 times per day?
also supplements we need to know how much fish oil you doing pleases share
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I used to make bone broth from pasture-raised chickens, but it became too much of a hassle. Store-bought bone broth is convenient, but it’s often loaded with sodium. I also have a large jar of fish oil and cod liver oil, which I had been taking for years, but recently fell out of the habit.
 
MaxMore said:
I used to make bone broth from pasture-raised chickens, but it became too much of a hassle. Store-bought bone broth is convenient, but it’s often loaded with sodium. I also have a large jar of fish oil and cod liver oil, which I had been taking for years, but recently fell out of the habit.
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get low sodium bone broth, easy to use and start that with fish oil will help recovery huge :)

can you do yoga? @MaxMore
 
Thank you for all the suggestions! I’ve come to understand that my tendinopathy is caused by a magnesium deficiency in my tendons, I believe taking Cipro altered my DNA in this way. When I went to physical therapy—before I knew the real issue—they were confident they could help, but I never improved. Without sufficient magnesium in my tendons, no amount of stretching or physical therapy will work.

In the past, the only treatments that have helped are stem cells, SARMS, or peptides. While these provide temporary strength and healing, once I stop using them, my condition deteriorates again—usually quite quickly.

I’ve never fully reached a point of feeling good, just "less bad" than before. Now, I’m hoping that with Anavar and HGH, I can finally get to a place where I feel well, and then maintain that progress by being very cautious.

I’ve also been doing many other things to try to improve my condition. At this point, I’ve tried just about everything out there. I’ve read nearly every book on the subject and tested all the remedies they suggest. The only thing I know about that I haven’t tried yet is ozone therapy… Maybe one day.

If anyone’s interested I could try to make a list of everything I’ve tried, but it’s so long I’ve probably forgot a lot of thing.
 
MaxMore said:
Thank you for all the suggestions! I’ve come to understand that my tendinopathy is caused by a magnesium deficiency in my tendons, I believe taking Cipro altered my DNA in this way. When I went to physical therapy—before I knew the real issue—they were confident they could help, but I never improved. Without sufficient magnesium in my tendons, no amount of stretching or physical therapy will work.

In the past, the only treatments that have helped are stem cells, SARMS, or peptides. While these provide temporary strength and healing, once I stop using them, my condition deteriorates again—usually quite quickly.

I’ve never fully reached a point of feeling good, just "less bad" than before. Now, I’m hoping that with Anavar and HGH, I can finally get to a place where I feel well, and then maintain that progress by being very cautious.

I’ve also been doing many other things to try to improve my condition. At this point, I’ve tried just about everything out there. I’ve read nearly every book on the subject and tested all the remedies they suggest. The only thing I know about that I haven’t tried yet is ozone therapy… Maybe one day.

If anyone’s interested I could try to make a list of everything I’ve tried, but it’s so long I’ve probably forgot a lot of thing.
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I would start the magnesium, have you started it ED? with electrolytes @MaxMore

your journey is very deep, please share as much as you can as you go :)
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
I would start the magnesium, have you started it ED? with electrolytes @MaxMore

your journey is very deep, please share as much as you can as you go :)
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I’ve tried most types of magnesium like, right now I am taking magnesium glycinate and magnesium orotate. I also frequently take magnesium sulfate baths. The magnesium baths actually seem to work pretty, at least they feel better after I take them.

I’m not sure what ED is.
 
Here’s a quick update on how I’m doing. Unfortunately, I’ve become a walking barometer for inflammatory foods—I can usually tell right away if something’s not agreeing with me, and the next day I’ll wake up feeling inflamed as well.

Last week had a couple of tough moments, which isn’t out of the ordinary. I went to TGI Friday’s and got the full rack of ribs, house salad, and mashed potatoes. I try to avoid carbs, but every now and then I indulge. I had planned to do my shoulder and back therapy when I got home, so I figured a few extra carbs wouldn’t hurt too much.

Overall, I’ve been feeling better over the last week, so I decided to try seated rows on my Total Fitness machine. I hadn’t used it in about nine months because I tend to injure myself on it, and this time was no different as I tweaked my knee getting on.

I decided to up my shoulder and back workout, wanting to make the most of being on gear. The next day, though, I woke up sore all over. It was a mix of the knee injury, overdoing the physical therapy, and the inflammation from the food.

Now, I’m taking it easy for a few days.

I will say I made a smart choice when my family came home with those new Costco snack bar cookies. I was definitely tempted, but I knew exactly how I'd feel if I gave in. Instead, I proposed a game of Set, and the winner got my share of the cookie! At least I got to have fun talking smack to losers.
 
MaxMore said:
Here’s a quick update on how I’m doing. Unfortunately, I’ve become a walking barometer for inflammatory foods—I can usually tell right away if something’s not agreeing with me, and the next day I’ll wake up feeling inflamed as well.

Last week had a couple of tough moments, which isn’t out of the ordinary. I went to TGI Friday’s and got the full rack of ribs, house salad, and mashed potatoes. I try to avoid carbs, but every now and then I indulge. I had planned to do my shoulder and back therapy when I got home, so I figured a few extra carbs wouldn’t hurt too much.

Overall, I’ve been feeling better over the last week, so I decided to try seated rows on my Total Fitness machine. I hadn’t used it in about nine months because I tend to injure myself on it, and this time was no different as I tweaked my knee getting on.

I decided to up my shoulder and back workout, wanting to make the most of being on gear. The next day, though, I woke up sore all over. It was a mix of the knee injury, overdoing the physical therapy, and the inflammation from the food.

Now, I’m taking it easy for a few days.

I will say I made a smart choice when my family came home with those new Costco snack bar cookies. I was definitely tempted, but I knew exactly how I'd feel if I gave in. Instead, I proposed a game of Set, and the winner got my share of the cookie! At least I got to have fun talking smack to losers.
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@MaxMore inflammation is the real deal with foods that dont agree with you for sure
ED is every day
have you considered carnivore?
 
MaxMore said:
Here’s a quick update on how I’m doing. Unfortunately, I’ve become a walking barometer for inflammatory foods—I can usually tell right away if something’s not agreeing with me, and the next day I’ll wake up feeling inflamed as well.

Last week had a couple of tough moments, which isn’t out of the ordinary. I went to TGI Friday’s and got the full rack of ribs, house salad, and mashed potatoes. I try to avoid carbs, but every now and then I indulge. I had planned to do my shoulder and back therapy when I got home, so I figured a few extra carbs wouldn’t hurt too much.

Overall, I’ve been feeling better over the last week, so I decided to try seated rows on my Total Fitness machine. I hadn’t used it in about nine months because I tend to injure myself on it, and this time was no different as I tweaked my knee getting on.

I decided to up my shoulder and back workout, wanting to make the most of being on gear. The next day, though, I woke up sore all over. It was a mix of the knee injury, overdoing the physical therapy, and the inflammation from the food.

Now, I’m taking it easy for a few days.

I will say I made a smart choice when my family came home with those new Costco snack bar cookies. I was definitely tempted, but I knew exactly how I'd feel if I gave in. Instead, I proposed a game of Set, and the winner got my share of the cookie! At least I got to have fun talking smack to losers.
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look into the FODMAP diet. stick to low FODMAP foods. that keeps inflammation down.

probelm with eating out is the condiments, sauces, additives and refined oils that are in those foods. its not good at all
 
What a horrible thing to happen to you
but I hope through this log you can find a solution
 
I'm confident that you can make a full comeback
I'm glad you enjoyed your dinner why not
 
this is a horrible situation
but you've definitely helped others avoid a similar fate
 
people really have to be careful when it comes to antibiotics
they can cause a lot of damage in the body
 
this is a great log
your persevering through a very tough situation
 
your definitely doing amazing
keep up the positivity it will get better
 
this type of condition really is horrible
but I'm glad that you're sharing it and it will help others
 
I take my supplements every day and, having dealt with fluoroquinolone toxicity for a long time, I’ve tried a lot of different approaches. I went vegan for six months, but it didn’t seem to help much. I also tried the carnivore diet for a month and felt better, though I think it wasn’t the diet itself that made the difference, but more from cutting out all the unhealthy foods by default.

Occasionally, I’ll indulge in something like pizza, bread, or dessert, but never more than once a week. Surprisingly, most of the time I don’t experience major negative side effects, and sometimes I even expect to feel bad but don’t. However, if I start eating poorly for two or three days straight, it suddenly feels like I’ve been hit by a Mack truck.

Eating out at restaurants is always a bit of a gamble. You never quite know what you’re getting. Sometimes I expect to feel terrible but don’t, and other times I think a meal is safe, but my whole body ends up hurting. I think stevesmi nailed it when he said it often comes down to the sauces and oils they use.
 
One thing I haven’t mentioned, and probably the hardest part of all this, is that I can’t cook for myself. I have to rely completely on my family to make meals for me. Saying my lady is amazing would be an understatement, but not everyone in my house wants to stick to a strict anti-inflammatory diet.

There was a time when I’d ask for special meals to be prepared, but with everyone pressed for time, I don’t want to be a burden. So, I usually just eat whatever is served. Most of the time, it’s still a good, quality meal—but not always.
 
MaxMore said:
I take my supplements every day and, having dealt with fluoroquinolone toxicity for a long time, I’ve tried a lot of different approaches. I went vegan for six months, but it didn’t seem to help much. I also tried the carnivore diet for a month and felt better, though I think it wasn’t the diet itself that made the difference, but more from cutting out all the unhealthy foods by default.

Occasionally, I’ll indulge in something like pizza, bread, or dessert, but never more than once a week. Surprisingly, most of the time I don’t experience major negative side effects, and sometimes I even expect to feel bad but don’t. However, if I start eating poorly for two or three days straight, it suddenly feels like I’ve been hit by a Mack truck.

Eating out at restaurants is always a bit of a gamble. You never quite know what you’re getting. Sometimes I expect to feel terrible but don’t, and other times I think a meal is safe, but my whole body ends up hurting. I think stevesmi nailed it when he said it often comes down to the sauces and oils they use.
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yea I checked your other post that talks about someone doing your meal prep @MaxMore
you're not able to move at all? not sure

is it possible to just eat steak? like one of those easy to prepare home counter top grills, like straight carnivore, steak eggs
 
I can still move, but it’s painful. If you’ve ever had tendinitis, you know how bad it can be — now imagine that pain affecting your entire body.

Another issue is with food prep, or really anything that involves using the counter. Since I’m in a wheelchair, I have to keep my arms at a 90° angle, which is extremely painful for my shoulders. If I could stand, I’d be able to hold my arms at a more comfortable 30° angle, making it far less painful.

It’s clear how interconnected the body is. When one part struggles, other areas have to compensate, and the whole system suffers. I’m hoping to reach the point where I can walk again, and once I do, I believe it will significantly tailwind for the rest of my recovery.
 
not sure whats the best way to do things? do you have budget for premade meals or that not on table? not just asking bro
 
I wanted to give a quick update—it's been about three weeks since I started my HGH + Anavar cycle, and I can hardly believe what's been happening.

Every joint in my body has been in pain for years, though some are worse than others. The joints that were really bad made physical therapy nearly impossible. I can't count how many times I tried to do even the lightest routine, only to make things worse. This was why I could never make any real progress.

However, now I can do very light training on my joints, and instead of worsening, I’m seeing improvement. Joints that were an 8 or 9 on the pain scale just a few weeks ago are now more like a 5 or 6. I still can’t fully use them, but being in less pain and able to do some physical therapy is a huge win.

The rest of my joints, which weren’t as bad, have also improved significantly. I went from barely being able to use them to doing much more, though I still have to be cautious not to overdo it. If I keep progressing at this rate, I hope to soon be able to cook basic meals, like making eggs.

Mentally, the change has been a massive boost. Feeling hopeless is terrible, and it’s hard to stay committed to a good diet when you’re not seeing progress. Before, I would sometimes indulge in dessert, pizza, or other junk food because it didn’t seem to matter. But now, seeing real progress keeps me focused and makes it easy to stick to good decisions about diet, physical therapy, and how to continue improving.

I’ve also changed up my physical therapy routine. I used to follow a three-day cycle: two active days followed by a rest day. Now, I’ve cut out the rest day, alternating between the two routines without taking a break. On top of that, I’ve increased my reps by about 50% over the last three weeks.

So far so good...
 
MaxMore said:
I wanted to give a quick update—it's been about three weeks since I started my HGH + Anavar cycle, and I can hardly believe what's been happening.

Every joint in my body has been in pain for years, though some are worse than others. The joints that were really bad made physical therapy nearly impossible. I can't count how many times I tried to do even the lightest routine, only to make things worse. This was why I could never make any real progress.

However, now I can do very light training on my joints, and instead of worsening, I’m seeing improvement. Joints that were an 8 or 9 on the pain scale just a few weeks ago are now more like a 5 or 6. I still can’t fully use them, but being in less pain and able to do some physical therapy is a huge win.

The rest of my joints, which weren’t as bad, have also improved significantly. I went from barely being able to use them to doing much more, though I still have to be cautious not to overdo it. If I keep progressing at this rate, I hope to soon be able to cook basic meals, like making eggs.

Mentally, the change has been a massive boost. Feeling hopeless is terrible, and it’s hard to stay committed to a good diet when you’re not seeing progress. Before, I would sometimes indulge in dessert, pizza, or other junk food because it didn’t seem to matter. But now, seeing real progress keeps me focused and makes it easy to stick to good decisions about diet, physical therapy, and how to continue improving.

I’ve also changed up my physical therapy routine. I used to follow a three-day cycle: two active days followed by a rest day. Now, I’ve cut out the rest day, alternating between the two routines without taking a break. On top of that, I’ve increased my reps by about 50% over the last three weeks.

So far so good...
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@MaxMore VERY happy to hear this :) EF family supports you, NEVER stop.
you are going to get better and better and stronger and stronger, we all support you.
you will see big improvements with HGH IMO

stay strong
 
MaxMore said:
I wanted to give a quick update—it's been about three weeks since I started my HGH + Anavar cycle, and I can hardly believe what's been happening.

Every joint in my body has been in pain for years, though some are worse than others. The joints that were really bad made physical therapy nearly impossible. I can't count how many times I tried to do even the lightest routine, only to make things worse. This was why I could never make any real progress.

However, now I can do very light training on my joints, and instead of worsening, I’m seeing improvement. Joints that were an 8 or 9 on the pain scale just a few weeks ago are now more like a 5 or 6. I still can’t fully use them, but being in less pain and able to do some physical therapy is a huge win.

The rest of my joints, which weren’t as bad, have also improved significantly. I went from barely being able to use them to doing much more, though I still have to be cautious not to overdo it. If I keep progressing at this rate, I hope to soon be able to cook basic meals, like making eggs.

Mentally, the change has been a massive boost. Feeling hopeless is terrible, and it’s hard to stay committed to a good diet when you’re not seeing progress. Before, I would sometimes indulge in dessert, pizza, or other junk food because it didn’t seem to matter. But now, seeing real progress keeps me focused and makes it easy to stick to good decisions about diet, physical therapy, and how to continue improving.

I’ve also changed up my physical therapy routine. I used to follow a three-day cycle: two active days followed by a rest day. Now, I’ve cut out the rest day, alternating between the two routines without taking a break. On top of that, I’ve increased my reps by about 50% over the last three weeks.

So far so good...
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I do wonder what you was doing before that was so damned bad that they ached so much
 
do you think you'll ever be able to recover from this
is there a cure that some doctors know you think?
 
nice job on these changes
you're adjusting things as you go and it's paying dividends
 
chesty said:
do you think you'll ever be able to recover from this
is there a cure that some doctors know you think?
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There’s no cure for this condition, and if you're one of the unlucky ones whose DNA is damaged by Cipro, it can feel like a hopeless situation. Some people have it worse than others, and I definitely fall into the “worse” category.

Most doctors want nothing to do with me. Many have never even heard of this condition, and the few who have often don’t know how to treat it. There are a handful of clinics that specialize in fluoroquinolone toxicity, but treatment costs around $30,000. I might have considered paying that if I’d realized what was wrong earlier, but I've already spent triple that over the years trying to manage this, with little to show for it. I’m tired of sinking money into treatments that offer only minor relief or don’t work at all.

People often hold doctors in high regard, but in my experience, they don’t always know as much as they think. It seems like they make educated guesses and hope for the best. The reason I’m in this situation today is largely due to medical missteps.

First, a doctor gave me Cipro when it was completely inappropriate, which set this whole nightmare in motion. Later, when I had knee pain, another doctor suggested dry needling. That procedure turned a bad knee into me being confined to a wheelchair.

I know I have no choice but to keep working with doctors, but I’ve learned the hard way to be extremely cautious about the next "miracle" solution they propose.
 
That is amazing happy for you 💪
 
MaxMore said:
There’s no cure for this condition, and if you're one of the unlucky ones whose DNA is damaged by Cipro, it can feel like a hopeless situation. Some people have it worse than others, and I definitely fall into the “worse” category.

Most doctors want nothing to do with me. Many have never even heard of this condition, and the few who have often don’t know how to treat it. There are a handful of clinics that specialize in fluoroquinolone toxicity, but treatment costs around $30,000. I might have considered paying that if I’d realized what was wrong earlier, but I've already spent triple that over the years trying to manage this, with little to show for it. I’m tired of sinking money into treatments that offer only minor relief or don’t work at all.

People often hold doctors in high regard, but in my experience, they don’t always know as much as they think. It seems like they make educated guesses and hope for the best. The reason I’m in this situation today is largely due to medical missteps.

First, a doctor gave me Cipro when it was completely inappropriate, which set this whole nightmare in motion. Later, when I had knee pain, another doctor suggested dry needling. That procedure turned a bad knee into me being confined to a wheelchair.

I know I have no choice but to keep working with doctors, but I’ve learned the hard way to be extremely cautious about the next "miracle" solution they propose.
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This is a good lesson there is a dna damage component in antibiotic use, very interesting story you're sharing thank you :) @MaxMore
 
My knee recovery is progressing gradually, but I got a bit overzealous with my shoulder and unfortunately reinjured it. This kind of setback isn’t new; it’s happened many times before, and now I’m struggling to get it back on track.

It seems like I make great progress when trying something new initially, but the effects tend to diminish quickly after that. With that in mind, I’m considering switching off Anavar after the 60-day mark. From what I’ve read, it’s not recommended to take Anavar for longer than 60 days anyway I think. My plan is to transition to SARMs for a couple of months, while continuing HGH, then cycle back to Anavar.

I’d love to get some recommendations on SARMs that could support tendon healing, aside from MK-288 and MK-677, as I’ve used those quite a bit and they don’t seem effective for me anymore. I’m thinking of trying LGD-4 and S-4 together.

Any thoughts or advice on this approach?
 
MaxMore said:
My knee recovery is progressing gradually, but I got a bit overzealous with my shoulder and unfortunately reinjured it. This kind of setback isn’t new; it’s happened many times before, and now I’m struggling to get it back on track.

It seems like I make great progress when trying something new initially, but the effects tend to diminish quickly after that. With that in mind, I’m considering switching off Anavar after the 60-day mark. From what I’ve read, it’s not recommended to take Anavar for longer than 60 days anyway I think. My plan is to transition to SARMs for a couple of months, while continuing HGH, then cycle back to Anavar.

I’d love to get some recommendations on SARMs that could support tendon healing, aside from MK-288 and MK-677, as I’ve used those quite a bit and they don’t seem effective for me anymore. I’m thinking of trying LGD-4 and S-4 together.

Any thoughts or advice on this approach?
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@MaxMore welcome back to EF family :)

How bad is your shoulder?

on the recovery I would stay on HGH but lightly can add mk2866 ostarine 25mgs and nutrobal mk677 10mgs low dose it to start
dont use lgd or s4 no need at this point

how about food, you been able to take care of some of it?
 
MaxMore said:
My knee recovery is progressing gradually, but I got a bit overzealous with my shoulder and unfortunately reinjured it. This kind of setback isn’t new; it’s happened many times before, and now I’m struggling to get it back on track.

It seems like I make great progress when trying something new initially, but the effects tend to diminish quickly after that. With that in mind, I’m considering switching off Anavar after the 60-day mark. From what I’ve read, it’s not recommended to take Anavar for longer than 60 days anyway I think. My plan is to transition to SARMs for a couple of months, while continuing HGH, then cycle back to Anavar.

I’d love to get some recommendations on SARMs that could support tendon healing, aside from MK-288 and MK-677, as I’ve used those quite a bit and they don’t seem effective for me anymore. I’m thinking of trying LGD-4 and S-4 together.

Any thoughts or advice on this approach?
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What can you do to make it less likely to happen
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
@MaxMore welcome back to EF family :)

How bad is your shoulder?

on the recovery I would stay on HGH but lightly can add mk2866 ostarine 25mgs and nutrobal mk677 10mgs low dose it to start
dont use lgd or s4 no need at this point

how about food, you been able to take care of some of it?
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My shoulder is in really bad shape. Most of the time, I can barely use my right arm without experiencing intense pain, and it’s not just isolated to my shoulder—the entire right side of my back is affected, with the tendons in my shoulder feeling completely worn out.

As I mentioned, I’m not considering MK-288 or MK-677, as I’ve used these extensively and they no longer seem effective for me. My diet is solid; I’ve always maintained a good nutritional foundation, and now I've also cut out anything that might be considered unhealthy.
 
sounds like you need to take a break from the gym for a while
let your body heal up man
 
go do some light yoga
that will at least help your Mobility
 
it's time for you to definitely take a break
if you keep pounding your shoulder you'll experience a full tear and we'll need surgery
 
sounds like you should go see a doctor on this one
if it's not requiring surgery then you need to definitely do some physical therapy
 
building strength around your injury is not the solution here
because you're already strong
 
what you need to do is increase your mobility and flexibility
that's going to help loosen up everything around it
 
if you have some sort of soft tissue tear down you need scar tissue to build in there to fill in the space
until that happens you really shouldn't be training those shoulders
 
MaxMore said:
My shoulder is in really bad shape. Most of the time, I can barely use my right arm without experiencing intense pain, and it’s not just isolated to my shoulder—the entire right side of my back is affected, with the tendons in my shoulder feeling completely worn out.

As I mentioned, I’m not considering MK-288 or MK-677, as I’ve used these extensively and they no longer seem effective for me. My diet is solid; I’ve always maintained a good nutritional foundation, and now I've also cut out anything that might be considered unhealthy.
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@MaxMore how about base HGH and IGF-1 you considering this? its a fit
 
MaxMore said:
My knee recovery is progressing gradually, but I got a bit overzealous with my shoulder and unfortunately reinjured it. This kind of setback isn’t new; it’s happened many times before, and now I’m struggling to get it back on track.

It seems like I make great progress when trying something new initially, but the effects tend to diminish quickly after that. With that in mind, I’m considering switching off Anavar after the 60-day mark. From what I’ve read, it’s not recommended to take Anavar for longer than 60 days anyway I think. My plan is to transition to SARMs for a couple of months, while continuing HGH, then cycle back to Anavar.

I’d love to get some recommendations on SARMs that could support tendon healing, aside from MK-288 and MK-677, as I’ve used those quite a bit and they don’t seem effective for me anymore. I’m thinking of trying LGD-4 and S-4 together.

Any thoughts or advice on this approach?
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@MaxMore you should look into peptides for your knee & shoulder!
 
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