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Help with Bulking Diet

I've noticed no difference between bulking clean and bulking w/ whatever the hell I want. LoL As long as you meet your daily protein requirement, the rest isn't complicated.
 
Protobuilder said:
I've noticed no difference between bulking clean and bulking w/ whatever the hell I want. LoL As long as you meet your daily protein requirement, the rest isn't complicated.

Honestly, nobody wants to hear this, but it is right. 5000 cals are 5000 cals.....4000 cals are 4000 cals. 3000 cals are 3000 cals, lol. It is the excess that allows you to bulk, and it is the degree of excess which will dictate bodyfat deposition.

I feel bad for guys measuring out leaf lettuce and eating 67 chicken breasts a day when they could have a couple Big Macs and not be any fatter, lol....so long as their daily protein is where it needs to be.
 
BiggT said:
Honestly, nobody wants to hear this, but it is right. 5000 cals are 5000 cals.....4000 cals are 4000 cals. 3000 cals are 3000 cals, lol. It is the excess that allows you to bulk, and it is the degree of excess which will dictate bodyfat deposition.

I feel bad for guys measuring out leaf lettuce and eating 67 chicken breasts a day when they could have a couple Big Macs and not be any fatter, lol....so long as their daily protein is where it needs to be.

That is complete bs. Period. The source of your calories defiantely make a difference in terms of bodyfat and muscle gain. Fat types, glycemic index of carbs, nutritional value and quality of the food being eaten. It matters.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
That is complete bs. Period. The source of your calories defiantely make a difference in terms of bodyfat and muscle gain. Fat types, glycemic index of carbs, nutritional value and quality of the food being eaten. It matters.


woa, buddy...before you go calling it complete bs, and complete bs period nonetheless, you can respectfully disagree, lol. I think a football player micromanaging their diet is totally not necessary. How can you account for the number of people who notice no difference between bulking ultra clean or not so clean with a little common sense? As long as protein is in place and they hit their target for excess. Are you saying two people who weigh 240 both eat the same amount of protein from the same sources, and 1 guys is 2500 calories over maintainence from eating 2 jars of ANPB and the other guy eats a Big Mac to go over maintainence, then the guy eating big macs will be fatter? I have never seen it with people and I have never experienced it myself.
 
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Chris19145 said:
I'm a QB/LB. The thing is I don't want to put on too much bodyfat, I want to put on solid mass and gain strength.

If you want to gain strength, train big lifts progressively. Keep up your conditioning work as you gain weight. A slight caloric excess should not tack on too much bodyfat. A little common sense will take you a long way. I didn't mean to take your thread off track, and I wasn't saying to live on Dunkin' Doughnuts and French Fries....I was simply saying that as a football player, you're not being judged on your physique, and you don't need to micromanage your diet......eat caloric excess, eat eggs, poultry, red meat, and fish. Eat an abundance of complex carbs and healthy fats......don't sweat the occasional crap as long as it doesn't comprise the bulk of your cals and it doesn't put you so far into caloric excess that fat gain gets out of control. Limit sugar intake and drink alcohol in moderation (since you're under 21, don't drink, lol)....remember, you're judged on performance, not appearance. And, if you perform well as a QB/LB then you're not gonna be fat anyway. Unless you're Daunte Culpepper, lol.

Or you can micromagane everything down to the last teaspoon of flax oil and be afraid of getting fat and weigh exactly what you do now in 1 year.
 
I'm not really worry about micros, it's just that a diet will be much more easier for me to follow and making sure that I get my daily intake. But I will be eating whatever I want along with this diet.
 
JKurz1 said:
Carbs are WAYYYY too high......cals are wayyyyyy too high...........and return the mm before you even oopen it....thats no excuse....you can most certainly return it.

Next, look into BMR, calories expended, etc....you need no more than 3,000.....this diet is a sure fire way to get FAT!
bro 3000 cals is low for a bulk at 180...he's looking to put on 20 pounds in 6 months...NOT AN UNATTAINABLE GOAL! yes he is going to put on fat but that is to be expected even during a clean bulk you put on on excess water weight and fat. playing football and lifiting on a 3000 cals a day diet would prob not yield that much weight gain.
 
jpt said:
bro 3000 cals is low for a bulk at 180...he's looking to put on 20 pounds in 6 months...NOT AN UNATTAINABLE GOAL! yes he is going to put on fat but that is to be expected even during a clean bulk you put on on excess water weight and fat. playing football and lifiting on a 3000 cals a day diet would prob not yield that much weight gain.
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