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sweetnes11 said:


I agree that you dont have to have a lot of sex partners to enjoy sex. One daughter had one premarried sex partner , daughter #2
was virgin when she married #3 is not married but has has 2 partners one she was engaged to for 4 years , the other she is engaged to now. but they all tell me they enjoy sex and that is just part of life. Anything 2 people do together is natural as long as both agree. I have a very open relationship with my daughters we talk about every thing. even things i dont want to know. but , when they were young i told then i would tell them anything if they ask, and they ask a lot, and i told them a lot. On the other hand i learded about sex in school before they has sex ed.boy did I learn a lot of wrong things ,lol
Sister , Im sorry if u took it the wrong way , sex has been at the cornerstones of my deepest relationships and trust me I'v spent many lost weeks as a student with barely leaving a bedroom... (in fact 3 wonderful summer months). It sounds like you did a bang-up job with your daughters , sex is just a part of life , sure it's totally natural , but as to whether you can fuck without feelings , I dont buy it , not even for males (I know I certainly can't). I can relate to what you say about learning things wrong in school as I attended a Catholic school run by priests (not that I blame them since they probably knew less than I did), my knowledge of female anatomy was laughably limited until my mid -20's (actually it sparked a pretty funny episode in my life) , I understand that it is always tough for a Mum to explain these sort of things to a son and my father was the traditional emotionally stunted Irish workaholic. In any case I wasnt criticising you in any way and I hope you did not take my post as being in that vein. Good luck.
 
Mystique , first of all let me start this by saying I am not a promiscuous man , personally I feel that sex is not something to be shared with just anyone (or even very many people). Now , I have been in my relative youth with some women who had far more partners than I and I promise you that I could draw a straight line between quantity of emotional issues and number of sexual partners. Prostitues are notorious intraveneous drug users , even where prostitution is entirely legal (The city of Utrecht in Holland is often quoted as being the place where it was most successful and even there these people are incredibly miserable).

I respect your views on sex Mandinka, but I'm saying not everyone believes in what you do and their views should be respected too as long as it's not hurtful to others. Some want to be promiscuous and some don't. Just like some people like to go out and party all the time while others like to stay at home. It's just a difference of preferences. I think the reason why sex is connected to emotional issues is because sex is taught as something that you do when you love someone, something that shows others love and care about you, instead of being seen as a purely physical act. Prostitutes are known for drug use but so are musicians, movie stars, models, pretty much in every group. I think alot of prostitutes who use drugs were druggies before they got into prostitution and uses the money from that to fuel their drug use. Also prostitutes are considered one of the lowest forms of human life in society because people have issues with sex and sexuality. It's not hard to see why once they become prostitutes that they would suffer mental problems and dabble in drugs also. People see prostitutes as sex objects instead of feeling thinking human beings and treat them as such. I think that is the problem with the world. People are so scared of sexuality that they use the fear to hate sexual beings, particularly with women.

Years ago when feminism reared its head , it preached that women could do just as men could , and in Ireland some women set out to do just that , drinking , partying and screwing as much as some male bon viveurs. Mary Kenny was one of those feminist writers and she continuously week upon week writes of the health problems suffered as a result of her earlier life.

Feminism is about treating women with the same respect and having the same opportunities as men. Similiar as to what minorities want. I think you should screw around, drink, party if that's what YOU want to do, not because you're on some mission to prove something. Maybe that's why some of those women regretted it later on. Of course you are going to suffer health problems from drinking and screwing but that's the risk you take just like anything else in life. If the benefits outweigh the risks to someone then they're going to take that chance.

Likewise I know a few men who screw around and even there , these people are untrustworthy , fickle and occassionally pathetic in their attempts to justify their existence.

Just because a few men are like that does not mean all promiscuous men are. That's like saying you know some men use steriods who also have "roid rage" so it must be the steriods.

You can deny nature all you like and preach about the dominance of societal power over natural urges and time and time again the emprical evidence that you are wrong will be laid bare before u. My own mother is a feminist and a lifetime of social work has convinced her of the futility of this particular view.

I do not deny nature or our natural urges. All of us have natural urges to relieve our sexual tension BUT the way we go about it and view others that do is based on society's morals and cultural values. We all have natural urges to go take a shit and pee but if you really did it the natural way we would just pull our pants down and do our business wherever we were. However society says that is not appropriate so we wait and go to the bathroom and do it there. It's more inconvenient for us humans but we do it to conform to what we're taught. If it really was so natural for women to not like sex as much as men do then why would there be a need for societal pressure to make sure that women are put in their place? Why would there be a need for all this name calling, shaming, repression? If it was really natural for women to be not so sexual then there wouldn't be any feminists mentioning this topic.

The media always trys to shove it in our faces that sexual women are only that way because of emotional or mental problems (another form of female sexual repression/ignorance). However I may have some mental problems but I'm sexual because I love sex and that's the way I've always been, even before my mental problems were even a bit serious. I have sex not because I want to feel love or feel that I'm important but because I just love sex. Simple as that. You never hear people saying that men are sexual because of insecurity/low self esteem issues even though many feel the need to brag who they fucked and demean the ones they did to make themselves feel more superior. It's just assumed that that's just how they are.
 
You need to get out more. You're meaningless rant about your perceptions of other people is somewhat off base. For someone who is preaching about peoples rights to their own choices and opinions, it seem rather odd that you would tell people what they should believe.
 
mystique said:
I respect your views on sex Mandinka, but I'm saying not everyone believes in what you do and their views should be respected too as long as it's not hurtful to others. Some want to be promiscuous and some don't. Just like some people like to go out and party all the time while others like to stay at home. It's just a difference of preferences. I think the reason why sex is connected to emotional issues is because sex is taught as something that you do when you love someone, something that shows others love and care about you, instead of being seen as a purely physical act. Prostitutes are known for drug use but so are musicians, movie stars, models, pretty much in every group. I think alot of prostitutes who use drugs were druggies before they got into prostitution and uses the money from that to fuel their drug use. Also prostitutes are considered one of the lowest forms of human life in society because people have issues with sex and sexuality. It's not hard to see why once they become prostitutes that they would suffer mental problems and dabble in drugs also. People see prostitutes as sex objects instead of feeling thinking human beings and treat them as such. I think that is the problem with the world. People are so scared of sexuality that they use the fear to hate sexual beings, particularly with women.
Well I'm thankful for your respect and hope that likewise you feel respected. HOWEVER , in precisely those Nothern European countries which have the most "progressive" attitudes towrds sex are drug abuse and prostitution most closely linked. Of all the people you mention I GUARANTEE you that the highest mortality rate is amongst prostitutes , drugs are a release for most people , for prostitutes they are a way to live with themselves. And you are furthermore incorrect , many prostitutes start out in Europe doing it for a little money and get caught out in the spiral leading to drug abuse. There is plenty of research out there mystique , mammals and in particular primates are in general monogamous. You mention that you have had some mental issues , I'm sorry to hear this , sorry but not surprised , I'm not saying that it was promiscuity that fucked you up, I'm saying that there is an ENORMOUS wealth of empirical evidence associating the two things. Now you may be stronger and tougher than the average human being and if you are fair play to you but the stats say otherwise. Sex per se isnt bad , but promiscuity brings with it a host of psychological issues for people.
 
mystique said:
Feminism is about treating women with the same respect and having the same opportunities as men. Similiar as to what minorities want.
Feminism started out in that kind of vein with the sufragette movement , then it became a war against men.... circumcision is an obvious example when prominent feminists decry ONLY the female version. To her credit Germaine Greer identifies both as being mutilation and regards feminists who think otherwise as twisted.
 
mystique said:
Just because a few men are like that does not mean all promiscuous men are. That's like saying you know some men use steriods who also have "roid rage" so it must be the steriods.
I've met a few who thought that they were the exception , i'll grant you that , then after a little probing , it all comes back , someone hurt them and that's their pathethic fucking excuse. People such as this are spreaders of misery.
 
mystique said:
If it really was so natural for women to not like sex as much as men do then why would there be a need for societal pressure to make sure that women are put in their place? Why would there be a need for all this name calling, shaming, repression? If it was really natural for women to be not so sexual then there wouldn't be any feminists mentioning this topic.
You know this is silly , there in no such pressure , take a look at "Sex in the City" , a show that LIONISES women who sleep around . If there was a similar show about 4 men who in each episode fucked a different woman and met at lunch to compare their gynacology there would be an immediate outrage by feminists (and indeed the general public). It is crass and vulgar and does nothing to enhance people's lives. Modern "feminists" in general are people who have left behind "equality". I have dated and enjoyed the company of extremely sexual women I assure you , the most sexual woman i ever met was entirely un promiscuos and it is to this day a regret of mine that I did not marry her when I was 20.

mystique said:

The media always trys to shove it in our faces that sexual women are only that way because of emotional or mental problems (another form of female sexual repression/ignorance). However I may have some mental problems but I'm sexual because I love sex and that's the way I've always been, even before my mental problems were even a bit serious. I have sex not because I want to feel love or feel that I'm important but because I just love sex. Simple as that.
Perhaps you are the solitary exception mystique , I have travelled throughout Europe and the States extensively and I have YET to meet such a person. Even a notorious philanderer like Leonard Cohen wrote that "Everything we do in life , we do for love" , he eventually became a Buddhist monk. I'd be surprised if you were any different. Of course when we analyse the nature of love as some philosophers and psychologists have done we are left with the obvious truth: the desire for monogamous relations. Sex is great , making love is much better.

mystique said:
You never hear people saying that men are sexual because of insecurity/low self esteem issues even though many feel the need to brag who they fucked and demean the ones they did to make themselves feel more superior. It's just assumed that that's just how they are.
REALLY? I hear it all the time , perhaps not in newspapers but amongst acquaintances , the reason being is that very few people have time for male emotions. You never hear of how heartbroken some guy was when his woman left him in a newspaper do you , no , but you hear of his suicide later.... men are just as/if not more frial than women. On the second point , its a running joke that women speak of their sexual histories to a far greater extent amongst other women than men ever would.
 
You know this is silly , there in no such pressure , take a look at "Sex in the City" , a show that LIONISES women who sleep around . If there was a similar show about 4 men who in each episode fucked a different woman and met at lunch to compare their gynacology there would be an immediate outrage by feminists (and indeed the general public). It is crass and vulgar and does nothing to enhance people's lives. Modern "feminists" in general are people who have left behind "equality". I have dated and enjoyed the company of extremely sexual women I assure you , the most sexual woman i ever met was entirely un promiscuos and it is to this day a regret of mine that I did not marry her when I was 20.

No there is pressure on women to be "good girls". Women are called "sluts", "whores", "skanks" if they are promiscuous or dress provocatively by both men and women. Raped women are told that they deserve it if they have had many consensual partners. Some raped women are even looked as used property. If a woman does not know who the father of her child is it's looked upon as solely her fault. If a teenage girl gets pregnant she's looked down upon even if others know who the father is. If a women is showing too much skin or is a "slut", then people feel they have a right to disrespect her and see her as an object. Whenever people speak of a women having sex they use terms such as "passed around", "used goods", "taken advantage of", and so forth while a man in the same situation is seen as being the one in charge, the one "using" the woman. Fathers and brothers feel they have to keep their daughter/sister "pure" and "good" while nothing is said to sons and brothers. In other words women who are considered too sexual are harassed, demeaned, and disrespected for it by everyone, man and woman. Men just don't get that kind of treatment because people figure that's just how they are. Now you can't tell me what I'm saying is false. Just look around this board.


Perhaps you are the solitary exception mystique , I have travelled throughout Europe and the States extensively and I have YET to meet such a person. Even a notorious philanderer like Leonard Cohen wrote that "Everything we do in life , we do for love" , he eventually became a Buddhist monk. I'd be surprised if you were any different. Of course when we analyse the nature of love as some philosophers and psychologists have done we are left with the obvious truth: the desire for monogamous relations. Sex is great , making love is much better.

Maybe I am the exception to what you have seen. I'm not going to lie how I feel about sex to try to win some kind of points in this debate, that would be silly. I really see sex as sex and nothing else. I didn't love my boyfriend more after we had sex. I love him more now than before because we've been together longer and have shared many experiences (non sexual ones) and have gotten to know each other better. I think lots of people you've met did confuse sex with love because that is what they've been taught. However I really just love to have sex for the physical gratifications and nothing else.



REALLY? I hear it all the time , perhaps not in newspapers but amongst acquaintances , the reason being is that very few people have time for male emotions. You never hear of how heartbroken some guy was when his woman left him in a newspaper do you , no , but you hear of his suicide later.... men are just as/if not more frial than women. On the second point , its a running joke that women speak of their sexual histories to a far greater extent amongst other women than men ever would.

You do hear about it but it's nowhere near as talked about as it is with women. Plus a woman thought of to be sexual because of emotional/mental issues is talked about way more negatively than a man would be. Men demeaning the ones they slept with shows insecurity/low self esteem on their part but a woman having lots of partners or dressing in a certain way does not necessarily mean she is insecure or has low self esteem. Even if she did have insecurity/low self esteem issues, it doesn't mean she uses sex to "cure" it. That's just assumed for women by ignorant people.

I've met a few who thought that they were the exception , i'll grant you that , then after a little probing , it all comes back , someone hurt them and that's their pathethic fucking excuse. People such as this are spreaders of misery.

Yes and people like these also hate women because of what other women have done to them in the past and have immature emotional levels. I agree they are pathetic.

Feminism started out in that kind of vein with the sufragette movement , then it became a war against men.... circumcision is an obvious example when prominent feminists decry ONLY the female version. To her credit Germaine Greer identifies both as being mutilation and regards feminists who think otherwise as twisted.

I think the radical feminists aka. the weird twisted man hating ones are the ones that get the media attention because what they have to say is outrageous and the media loves that kind of stuff. However I think the real feminists, the everyday regular people, still believe in what feminism is truly about. They just don't get heard often because what they have to say is nothing sensational. Maybe to a few mysogynists but not most. Here is a good website about modern feminism.

http://www.io.com/~wwwave/



Well I'm thankful for your respect and hope that likewise you feel respected. HOWEVER , in precisely those Nothern European countries which have the most "progressive" attitudes towrds sex are drug abuse and prostitution most closely linked. Of all the people you mention I GUARANTEE you that the highest mortality rate is amongst prostitutes , drugs are a release for most people , for prostitutes they are a way to live with themselves. And you are furthermore incorrect , many prostitutes start out in Europe doing it for a little money and get caught out in the spiral leading to drug abuse. There is plenty of research out there mystique , mammals and in particular primates are in general monogamous. You mention that you have had some mental issues , I'm sorry to hear this , sorry but not surprised , I'm not saying that it was promiscuity that fucked you up, I'm saying that there is an ENORMOUS wealth of empirical evidence associating the two things. Now you may be stronger and tougher than the average human being and if you are fair play to you but the stats say otherwise. Sex per se isnt bad , but promiscuity brings with it a host of psychological issues for people.

Well I just want to say I have never been promiscuous so my mental problems are in no way connection to sex, especially since I've had them way before I even knew what sex was. I think promiscuity brings psychological issues for many people because of the way sex is seen and taught. It's still seen as something dirty and not worthy of respect. It's still taught as something you do only when you love someone. Maybe that's why alot of prostitutes get into the drugs because they feel that somehow they're doing something "dirty" and "wrong". Also most people do not see prostitutes as human beings but objects. Prostitutes get treated by people with no respect of any kind because of the way people believe about sex. I'm sure if you were getting treated like shit everywhere you went, weren't even acknowledged as a human being with emotions and feelings, started believing all that, and had guilty feelings because you were taught you job makes you inferior to others, you might get into drugs too. I don't think the promiscuity is making prostitutes dabble in drugs but the way people view and think of sex.

On another note I don't think you have to be promiscuous to show your sexuality or be sexual. I'm just saying that is a matter of preference to some people.
 
I've never seen Sex and the City but I do know what the show is about. Just because there is a show that finallys shows women's sexuality and point of view on sex does not mean in the real world everything is hunky dory. Will and Grace, a show with two gay men in it is a very popular show and makes gays seem cool. They even say they are cooler than heterosexuals in some of the character's lines. However in the real world, many are still homophobic and have stereotypes. Again check out this board for this example.

Jubei if my perceptions of people are off base, point them out to me. Try to explain to me why it's off base since you seem to have nothing else better to do.
 
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