For the RyanH Types

[Frackal]

Well I agree with what you've said above chesty, but I am honestly confused...in what other fashions is religion outlawed in schools?

I thought it was just the teaching of one specific religion was all that was outlawed...I'm shocked that the pledge of allegiance actually had to be edited because of PC bullshit...not THAT is an example of the left wing being ridiculous. Are you sure that's true? I honestly cannot believe that the pledge was taken out of schools.

Anyway....I'm just curious to know exactly what is and is not restricted in schools as far as religion goes.

I side against the right wing alot, but that doesn't make me a lefty...I'll be the first to admit that they don't want us to have more freedom then the right does, just their version of it. Of course they also have their 'newspeak'...a strategy to control thought by eliminating language.

 

[chesty]

It all depends on what the school can get a way with. Here where I am at, a christian church waiting for their building to get built called the school principal and asked if they could use a room on sundays till it was completed. She refused to return his calls, finally he got hold of her and she told him no fucking way was he or anyone else going to use her school.

Get my point.

I am not sure about other religions like Islam, but Judeism and Christianity are big no no's. We had a moment of silence and even that was taken out because some dickhead female parents figured we were forcing them to pray anyway.

Pledge of allegiance is an on again off again thing. I said up through 8th grade and then no more.
BTW (she is black)

Ooops, that is not tolerant, now I am a racist, white cracker head pig that is oppressing the blacks.

 

[musclebrains]

Religion cannot be taught in the public school systems period. You cannot say a prayer, you cannot hold after school groups that are religiously oriented, etc.

Totally untrue. You just don't get it. You can teach ABOUT a religion in an appropriate context -- the development of Christianity in the ancient Mediterranean world, the panthenon of the Greeks and Romans, the Celtic ritutals, etc.

What you can't do it stand in front of a classroom and insist the class pray. Nor can you use the school property for groups to worship. Do not conflate the two.

You have churches to give religious instruction and for worship. Schools are not appropriate places for people to worship and receive religious indoctrination. Every effort to be nonsectarian in this respect ends up backfiring because of the growing number of
people who think religion of all sorts is harmful and they are certainly entitled, under the principles of our nation, to protection of their opinion.

Why do you have to advocate using the schools for the churches' role? Typically, conservatives are the first to object if the schools teach something they feel is the parents' obligation to teach -- such as, say, the proper way to treat gay people, or anything else that even suggests sex. Yet, these same conservatives typically are just fine with the schools assuming the church's role.

In short, they just want the schools to represent their personal opinions. It has nothing to do with freedom, because their way is at the expense of other people's freedom, even when they already have an appropriate venue, the church in this case, to accomplish what they want.

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

What is the difference between science and religion? Both require faith and physical proof.

The pledge can be said as long as the word god is removed from it.

Religion has no physical proof, nor does it require it. All you need is faith.

oops, this had already been stated.

If you really look at it, all this 'liberalist and PC crap' that some of you guys are so against merely tries to make the most number of people from different walks of life feel comfortable and non-threatened.

 

[musclebrains]

Exactly. The real objective is to privilege a particular point of view, not to protect many points of view. (It's the same reason "multi-culturalism" has become reviled.)

And then, of course, they claim the very effort to protect many points of view is itself a privileging of one view. Groan.

 

[Delinquent]

Religion cannot be taught in the public school systems period. You cannot say a prayer, you cannot hold after school groups that are religiously oriented, etc.

Sorry but I took a Humanities class in high school in which the teacher spent about two hours total on eastern religion and guess how much on Christianity? four two hour classes and two 50 minute classes because of block scheduling. So that's two weeks. I also used to live in the heart of the baptist bible belt so we may have been an exception.