First PH cycle

[linkinlime34]

What's up fellas? Long time lurker, first time poster on the forum. As the title says, I'm looking to start my first PH cycle of Helladrol soon.

Stats:
Been lifting seriously 4-5 years
Age:21
Height:6'3''
Weight:210
bf %: Around 12
Bench:340
Squat:350
Dead:440

Really looking for strength and 5-6 pounds of keepable mass. Dropping some bodyfat wouldn't hurt either. I've dropped all the way to 7% at 183 pounds before, so cutting isn't something new to me.

What I'm thinking:

Helladrol: 75/75/75/100/100/125
Forged Liver support
HCG *all the way through PCT

PCT:
Forged PCT
Forma Stanzol 10/6/6/6
DAA *just cause I already have some
Clomid 25/25/25/25


Willing to throw some other things in if necessary. Like I said, I'm not unrealistic about gains. I'd like to gain 10 pounds, and keep 5-6 pounds of muscle mass. from this. What I'd really like to do is get that squat up much higher, and keep it that way. Tired of my bench press creeping up around my squat weights haha.

Open to any suggestions guys, looking forward to starting this cycle, and starting a log.

Attached is a picture of my current look. Never used any gear of any sort, so this could be a lot of fun.

 

[STTM]

Don't think you will need HCG.

Besides that, looks good to me.

 

[linkinlime34]

D'oh! Meant to type out HCgenerate.

 

[injfuel]

hdrol by itself is a waste of time IMO , my brother and i both ran single prohormones with perfect diets and werent impressed at all , most of what people gain is fat whenthey say they gained 10lbs. from 1 prohormone , i ran m-lmg and h-drol and actually saw some gains and strength really went up on week 3 when i was at 100mg of m-lmg and 100mg of hdrol ED. to each his own but if your looking for something that will make a difference run 2 compounds . since it is your first ph cycle maybe you should run 1 methylated and 1 non-methylated so its easier on your liver to see how your body will respond , also i hate to sound like everybody else on here but the truth is the truth Sarms would be an awesome addition and probably would yeild better results if youn just took the Sarms like and S-4/lgd-4033 combo but if your dead set on the ph they would really bring the whole combo to life

 

[Francofranco]

So many options bro. There are definitely some ph that blow most others away, but really at 21 5-6 pounds sounds like an attainable goal natural! Your test is prob at its peak, and the way you can fluctuate weight I bet with some tweaking to your diet and training and in a year you would be a different animal!! If I was you and just had to try something out to boost my current situation I would def go with sarms. Maybe I missed it but have you ran any anabolics before? If not take advantage of your natural test bro and eat like a mo fo! So many less and non suppressive supps out there. So for 5-6 clean keepable pounds my vote goes to staying natural.
Peace bro

 

[irishdesolo]

What's up fellas? Long time lurker, first time poster on the forum. As the title says, I'm looking to start my first PH cycle of Helladrol soon.

Stats:
Been lifting seriously 4-5 years
Age:21
Height:6'3''
Weight:210
bf %: Around 12
Bench:340
Squat:350
Dead:440

Really looking for strength and 5-6 pounds of keepable mass. Dropping some bodyfat wouldn't hurt either. I've dropped all the way to 7% at 183 pounds before, so cutting isn't something new to me.

What I'm thinking:

Helladrol: 75/75/75/100/100/125
Forged Liver support
HCG *all the way through PCT

PCT:
Forged PCT
Forma Stanzol 10/6/6/6
DAA *just cause I already have some
Clomid 25/25/25/25


Willing to throw some other things in if necessary. Like I said, I'm not unrealistic about gains. I'd like to gain 10 pounds, and keep 5-6 pounds of muscle mass. from this. What I'd really like to do is get that squat up much higher, and keep it that way. Tired of my bench press creeping up around my squat weights haha.

Open to any suggestions guys, looking forward to starting this cycle, and starting a log.

Attached is a picture of my current look. Never used any gear of any sort, so this could be a lot of fun.

well did you ever get what you wanted. you didn't need it!!

 

[nwamuscle]

Go with M-sten @ 30 mg ED and 4-AD @ 4 caps ED.

My client just ran that for 5 weeks and added 17 lbs and kept 11 lbs.

He also ran HCG 250 iu M/Th

 

[linkinlime34]

well did you ever get what you wanted. you didn't need it!!

Not really sure what you mean man?

So many options bro. There are definitely some ph that blow most others away, but really at 21 5-6 pounds sounds like an attainable goal natural! Your test is prob at its peak, and the way you can fluctuate weight I bet with some tweaking to your diet and training and in a year you would be a different animal!! If I was you and just had to try something out to boost my current situation I would def go with SARMS. Maybe I missed it but have you ran any anabolics before? If not take advantage of your natural test bro and eat like a mo fo! So many less and non suppressive supps out there. So for 5-6 clean keepable pounds my vote goes to staying natural.
Peace bro

Thanks for the input man. No I've never ran any anabolics. I've just been at a bit of plateau for several months. I've only been able to have marginal strength gains with major fat gains. I've put on about 6 pounds of muscle in the last year, but like I said, stopped except for with putting on too much fat in the past 4 months. The big 3 lifts are stuck and seem to sometimes go down with any slight deviation from perfect training and diet.

 

[Jbranken]

I'd personally go with oxandrovar. It has epistane, trenavar and two other ph's all in one. It's powerful but won't be too overwhelming for a first cycle. You'll make tremendous gains. You could also stack sarms with it since they are non toxic

 

[injfuel]

Go with M-sten @ 30 mg ED and 4-AD @ 4 caps ED.

My client just ran that for 5 weeks and added 17 lbs and kept 11 lbs.

He also ran HCG 250 iu M/Th

that looks promising , im exploring options for a maximum muscle gainer stack in a few months , ill have to check these 2 out

 

[injfuel]

bro what you have looks good , but everybody here is gonna offer opinions on how to make what you have layed out a bit better . im just like you i started out natty as could be and just wanted to explore the prohormones only because im 38 next month and my training and diet are on point right now . ive been on 3 pro hormones over 2 years and i can tell you that you will be blown away if you incorporate Sarms into your plan. im a penny pincher i will spend hours searching for good deals on supps so i understand if your on a budget. i can tell you i started Sarms about 7 weeks ago and its the best money i ever spent and there is no side effects like there are with the ph. just do a little research on here but if you do nothing else please incorporate some Ostarine (mk-2866) into your pct. the guys on here told me to take it and i lost ZERO strength while i was on PCT bro !!!!!! ZERO !!!!! ive got 2 buddies using it on PCT right now

 

[STTM]

Go with M-sten @ 30 mg ED and 4-AD @ 4 caps ED.

My client just ran that for 5 weeks and added 17 lbs and kept 11 lbs.

He also ran HCG 250 iu M/Th

MSten and 4-Andro is a great stack. I think 30mg per day of MSten is a bit too high for a beginner tho.

 

[RickRock13]

First of all, if that is a current pic you are WAY below 12%. You are probably 7% judging by that pic and you have a great physique! especially being natty.

As for your plan, I would recommend a different stack to get the most out of your cycle. Here are my suggestions:

1-6 Oxandrovar 2 caps per day
1-6 N2guard
1-12 GW 20mg per day (sarms1)

Optimal PCT for best recovery:

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Liquid Aromasin (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
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Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)


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[dylangemelli]

i have a FAR more ideal stack for you that coincides perfectly with your goals and will be a FAR better and more complete cycle producing far cleaner and keepable gains... If you are not familiar with sarms, read my articles at Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMS) - Evolutionary.org Here is the full cycle layout and the links on where to get everything you need...

1-14 GW-501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators

1-12 s4 50 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators

1-12 “liquidex” www.n2bm.com
1-12 n2guard n2bm.com
5-12 HCGenerate n2bm.com
7-12 oxandrovar 2 caps a day The #1 Supplier of Pro-Hormones - MyProH.com

PCT 13-16

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com

nolva 40/20/20/20 ag-guys.com
aromasin 12..5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators

 

[dylangemelli]

i have a FAR more ideal stack for you that coincides perfectly with your goals and will be a FAR better and more complete cycle producing far cleaner and keepable gains... If you are not familiar with sarms, read my articles at Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMS) - Evolutionary.org Here is the full cycle layout and the links on where to get everything you need...

1-14 GW-501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators

1-12 s4 50 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators

1-12 “liquidex” www.n2bm.com
1-12 n2guard n2bm.com
5-12 HCGenerate n2bm.com
7-12 oxandrovar 2 caps a day The #1 Supplier of Pro-Hormones - MyProH.com

PCT 13-16

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com

nolva 40/20/20/20 ag-guys.com
aromasin 12..5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators

 

[linkinlime34]

Hey everybody, sorry for letting this thread go. I had already ordered my Helladrol and other goodies, so there was no way I could just sit on the stuff, no self control. I started a cycle log, and the hella has been doing some wonders for sure.

I actually decided to add a SARM to my pct, and I ordered up done Ostarine. I'll start the Ostarine day one of PCT. I know osta can be slightly suppressive, so I'll have to but another bottle of HCGenerate to run a mini pct after the osta runs out.

Sorry to forsake all the ideas thrown up by all you guys, but like I said, check out my log. I've gained 12 pounds since starting.

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