CLOMID what, why & How

[gainerxxl]

I have talked to an ongoing endrocrinologist at my department and he only laughed, when I told him about Clomid therapy after heavy androgen use. He said that something like 750mg of test for 12 weeks will totally screw your axis and there´s nothing you can do about it besides waiting for it to kick back in, which will take at least 6 months in most individuals. In some it will take a year ot two.
He said that Clom or other anti-e´s might temporarily increase test levels, but they´ll drop back to zero after dicontinuing the drugs. According to him you should taper off very slowly using very little amounts of test prop for many weeks after heavy androgen use to prevent a dramatic crash and then just stop. A lot of Zinc for the next months might help as well (like 100mg/day)

 

[T2O]

Thanks a lot that cleared up a lot for me

 

[Fonz]

Ya ...clomid really isn't bad on the skin...a few zits maybe but nothing like androgen use.

RG

In the modern age, clomid is utter garbage.

Cabergoline+proviron is a MUCH, MUCH better option.

Fonz

 

[Realgains]

I have talked to an ongoing endrocrinologist at my department and he only laughed, when I told him about Clomid therapy after heavy androgen use. He said that something like 750mg of test for 12 weeks will totally screw your axis and there´s nothing you can do about it besides waiting for it to kick back in, which will take at least 6 months in most individuals. In some it will take a year ot two.
He said that Clom or other anti-e´s might temporarily increase test levels, but they´ll drop back to zero after dicontinuing the drugs. According to him you should taper off very slowly using very little amounts of test prop for many weeks after heavy androgen use to prevent a dramatic crash and then just stop. A lot of Zinc for the next months might help as well (like 100mg/day)

To be blunt this doc knows shit about androgen use......my endochrinologist would laugh in his face.(as would Ulters doc)

Tapering does nothing!!! It doesn't take much androgen to shut down the HPT axis TOTALLY so tapering is bullshit. The idea is to get the androgen OUT OF THE SYSTEM as QUICKLY as possible so the axis can start to normalize.
Clomid does help as it causes a higher than normal LH secreation post cycle and this stimulates the testes more rapidly.
Also, estrogen is more inhibitory than testosterone so if you block its affect on the hypothalamus test output really improves.AND PLEASE nobody better tell me that testosterone is more inhibitory on HPTA than estrogen!

RG

 

[Realgains]

I have talked to an ongoing endrocrinologist at my department and he only laughed, when I told him about Clomid therapy after heavy androgen use. He said that something like 750mg of test for 12 weeks will totally screw your axis and there´s nothing you can do about it besides waiting for it to kick back in, which will take at least 6 months in most individuals. In some it will take a year ot two.
He said that Clom or other anti-e´s might temporarily increase test levels, but they´ll drop back to zero after dicontinuing the drugs. According to him you should taper off very slowly using very little amounts of test prop for many weeks after heavy androgen use to prevent a dramatic crash and then just stop. A lot of Zinc for the next months might help as well (like 100mg/day)

Are you serious....HPTA axis recovery does NOT take 6 months to over a year!
Maybe nandrolone use will scew one up for 4-6 months if no clomid is used post cycle or HCG during the cycle as nandrolone is the worst roid in regard to recovery issues.
GnRH and LH recovery is fast in most men ....its the small testes that take some time to recover but not 6 months to a year or more! This guy is a QUACK!
HCG will get the testes back to 100% in a matter of weeks before a cycle ends BTW....see my post on HCG.

RG

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Clomid is the recovery drug of choice for one of the most brilliant endocrinologists on the planet who works quite extensively with A/S using strength athletes/BB'ers,Dr.Raymond Scruggs.He has the chartwork of thousands of patients to offer as an iron clad testimonial regarding its effectiveness in the recovery regimen.It is a must have drug in the cycling arsenal.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Huck: I know a few dozen people, myself included, who wouldn't be in that list of testimonials. Every time I used Clomid I had virtually no ejacuate. I even used it once in between cycles -- same thing. It was like...drip. The end. I'm sure there are others who will concur with this.

RG: It doesn't matter if testosterone is MORE inhibitory than estrogen. One can have normal estrogen and still be inhibited, in whch case even if the Clomid worked, it wouldn't help.

It seems that tapering goes in and out of fashion. A while ago I would have agreed that it was pointless. But it seems as if coming off of a cycle and using Androgel, which has a natural peak and valley to it, can help get the HPTA back on its feet somewhat.

It is very possible to be supressed for up to a year. That's a fact.

As far as HCG getting the testes back 100% -- not really. If you're over 40 or have used roids extensively, your HPTA may not be able to take over once the effects of the HCG are gone. You can drop right back down again.

It's time some of you younger guys come to grips with the fact that there isn't a drug to cure everything.

 

[Ulter]

Every cycle I did from 1983 until 1999 I crashed using the tapering method. After 1999 I didn't crash anymore. That's because in 1999 I started using clomid post cycle. There is no reason to not use it unless you find the sides unacceptable. What most people, like Nelson, believe is the clomid holding there natural test back, is usually androgens still present when they come off. Like deca.

Also, this ridiculous notion that keeps getting floated here about 250mg/wk not shutting you down as hard as 500mg/wk has to end. That is simply not true and it was proven by the U of Iowa Study years ago. Look it up.


Tapering is a joke and any endo who suggests it has NO EXPERIENCE with the cycling population. TAKE YOUR CLOMID.

 

[Fonz]

Clomid given to healthly men with normal test levels raises test output by 50-300%.

I have no idea where you pulled that from, but it is utter nonsense.

Clomiphene will only elevate your test levels to the upper normal range if they are low.

Fonz

 

[Lift Chief]

I experience visual disturbances and headaches on clomid. I started taking it right before i went to bed and had no real problems. From my understanding i am not risking any permanent damage. Would anyone disagree? Just want to ask some of the experts here to make sure... appreciate it.