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If there was a specific AAS subsection of the women's board it might help focus discussion a little more. As a "vet" of many boards, even ones that are very steroid oriented, it scares the shit out of me the questions and contexts that women (or men on their behalf) show up with. And its not improved over the last 6 years even w/ the proliferation of steroid boards and the internet in general. To that end, yea it gets real freakin' old to answer the same questions over & over, and ones where literally common sense is tossed.
HOWEVER, if you eliminate the people who simply have no business cycling (i.e. think var is as easy to use as Slimfast and they will be a Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader in a week, and they eat "pretty healthy" but wanna lean up but not look like The Hulk. OK get past them and there are some sort of informed girls looking to make sense of what they've researched, been told, etc. And you cannot get up in people's shit if they 'heard something" about whatever they are talking about if at least they are doing some research. Because, again I challenge ANYONE to have gone to research steroids w/o getting some sort of input from someone. That's just how you hear about anything that is not politically correct to talk about in "polite company". So you start asking questions. It a long self-education process to learn about steroids & women because you can find some stuff but not much - so you ask. To that end, I agree it doesn't get much to slam people for having interest in steroids. Welcome to EF - the most recent group of girls is great and have created a great ambiance on the women's board, but its a fuckign steroid board. You can't isolate the women's board and assume people will stay away. EF has a well-established reputation for discussion of steroids. It is different from the old days, but that also reflects the change in the use and availability environment as well - more law crackdowns, increased growth of web-based / UG labs, the peaking and rebound weirdness of women's BB. In 1999, figure didn't exist. So you are more likely to have found a more hardcore base of female users. Figure has significantly lower barriers to entry - if it didn't I can guarantee you wouldn't find newbies more able to engage in this competition after a short history of training. No slam on the current girls, but it just wasn't that way before. So now there's this really weird dynamic where the BB girls are getting softer (as required by the federations) but the figure girls, at least at the national level are still getting harder & harder. Thus you see girls coming out of the woodwork w/ a very beginner level base of lifting history but getting advice from former hardcore people for a relatively softcore sport that is thinking it needs to go hardcore. (Make sense?) That's where you get the queries for the hard stuff w/o the history of diet & training behind it.
To the end of the great base of newbie girls here - I will be very honest in that it is not far from being a natural progression from natural amatuer competition to untested amateur competition. Cuz that's where the bar has been set at the national level and if you don't have gifted genetics and you want to progress in the ranks, you will most definitely start exploring the dark side. Its just ignorant to think you wont' at least think about it when you see the trophies going to other people. Its another evil of the evolution of this sport. And also the source of the hypocrisy of it. Welcome to the sport. Take it or leave it. You can take it on your terms and hope you get that perfect combination of best body on the stage, the judges' eye, excellent posing & stage presence and possibly w/ the choice of staying in the natural / tested federations - but if you are looking for a pro card in the IFBB, uh.... time to get educated.
So EF will never not get questions about women & AAS. The dynamic here chooses to spend time emphasizing diet & training, but w/ time you may see more competitors, etc. Its always changing. I guess for the moment, it is what it is, if I had to choose between being more conservative on the diet & training side or more aggressive on the drug side I'd say go w/ the diet & training. If someone needs to know things then I have no problem suggesting some other resources. But to say EF is responsible for every freeking girl that comes on this board and won't take the time to have the discussion, then I guess it will go as it is. I think we do need to lay off the judgement a bit just because it doens't get anyone anywhere. And at the end of the day - guess what - its the interwebs and you've been given the caveats. Its still your own personal experiment.
LOL ... long winded enough ?
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