Calling all newbies: Ovetraining is highly ANABOLIC

[SSAlexSS]

I researched what he was saying and found alot of useful information to incorporate into my routines, but his idea of overtraining and my idea of overtraining are completly different.

There you go we have difference of opinion, but what we have in common is that there IS something in methods I propose.

 

[SSAlexSS]

This is a "real" overtraining program. I did research on it. All overtraining is is training BEYOND failure. If you do 1 rep beyond failure, you overtrained. What Alex is advocating is excessive overtraining, where you train to complete muscle failure. Like I said in another post, that is very catabolic if done too much. Sure, doing it once may do something for you but that's it. I would not recommend doing it unless you hit a wall and can't gain any mass. It's a pretty good system shocker.

What are you talkjing about? I didnt post about that you need to go beyond failure. Infact most of them time you should stop short of failure.

What program are you talking about? 100 sets of overtraining rogram?


Hey if you do 100 sets for biceps all to failure then you are asking fro trouble. Stop short 1-2 reps before going to failure.

And my overreach and undertraing program is more of high volume + low volume with no going to failure!

I did my research too, you should not go to failure often or even in most times!

 

[Imnotdutch]

There you go we have difference of opinion, but what we have in common is that there IS something in methods I propose.

You're right......there is something in your methods. Its brown, warm and smelly and suprisingly contains alot of the things that our bodies don't need.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Ugh dude. That article is crap.

Do you even know if Supercompensation of glycogen occurs? Most experts now think it doesn't.

You don't even understand what it says. Sure 'overtraining' can be beneficial it's called conditioned overtraining and people like Tudor Bompa are prononents of it. The article doesn't even touch on how to go about it; it requires careful intensity/volume/frequency cycling most often used by olympic athletes.

Go ahead and do 25 forced reps. FRY THAT NERVOUS SYSTEM. Oooooo yeah....cherish the overtraining.

Anyway, I'm no expert, but even I can tell this article isn't going to help anyone.

-Zulu

Zullu I beg to differ you opinion.

If you have read and though about that article, it is NOT talking about Glycogen supercompensation. iIt is just using it as an example to show TESTESTORONE supercompensation. Basicly it is like injecting yourself with mild testestorone..

Hmm training that can act as a mild steroid..... Hmmmm.... Read into the article more carefully next time.

quote from the article

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The same thing happens here with over-reaching. You cause your body to maladapt by over-stressing its growth processes // ****see that ****// through short-term overtraining. Enzymes, cells and hormones positively adapt to the new situation. Then you return to a normal routine, providing adequate rest and recovery. Now, your body's anabolic capacity is supernormal for a limited period of time. The result is accelerated growth.

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enzymes, cells and hormones. There you go. I hope people dont beleive pseudo not science you are teaching through your misinterpretations of valueable texts. It is guys like you who misinterpret for good or evil, and use the texts....


sorry to say that.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Zullu I beg to differ you opinion.

If you have read and though about that article, it is NOT talking about Glycogen supercompensation. iIt is just using it as an example to show TESTESTORONE supercompensation. Basicly it is like injecting yourself with mild testestorone..

I hate topoint out the obvious but thereis no such thing as 'mild testosterone'. All testosterone is the same.......however you might argue the training causes minute amounts of test to be produced by the body.

 

[SSAlexSS]

30lb of pure muscle in 3-6 weeks??? Oh boy..........now that is a good un. PROVE IT!!! SHOW ME THE REPORTS THAT BACK THIS UP!! Go ahead put the proof in front of me and I'll check it out. You say that this has been proven over and over again......well show me the evidence so I can review it for you.

As for being critical........we all need to be critical in order to separate the bullshit in life from the good. My whole point was that I can make those gains just through eating more.......which is what he did. So we can't even attribute his gains to your routine........as much as you would like that.

BTW how bout some pics and example lifts.......you must be huge by now if Advaik is having these results.

goto www.hardgainer.com and find PROOF pdf or animation that shows you how skinnies went to huggies.

Guys who overtrained doing arnolds and other chemical freaks routines suddenly switched to HG type workouts doing 2x brief workouts per week (or so) and drasticly changing their appearances with new muscle mass.

How hardgainers/ectos gained so much? They did this overreaching unknowingly. If they can get such results, hmmmm.... what can we get.

 

[SSAlexSS]

I hate topoint out the obvious but thereis no such thing as 'mild testosterone'. All testosterone is the same.......however you might argue the training causes minute amounts of test to be produced by the body.

Well what i meant is.

1) Overtraining decreases your test levels, right?
2)How ever your body gets used to less test so it becomes more receptive to it. That is how a guy with lower test levels can be muscular, his body is efficient at utilization of test.

3)Doing less intensive workout stops overtraining and test levels rise back up.

4)Your body is still efficient at converting test to muscle (for a limited time) so in effect you got additional growth due to better/more testestorone in your body.


It is like injecting yourself with mild anabolics.

 

[SSAlexSS]

You're right......there is something in your methods. Its brown, warm and smelly and suprisingly contains alot of the things that our bodies don't need.

Scientists and smart people dont talk about waste products.

Ever heard einstein talking about condoms? NO. He was to intelligent and high class for that.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Scientists and smart people dont talk about waste products.

Ever heard einstein talking about condoms? NO. He was to intelligent and high class for that.

That must be why scientists and smart people spend alot of time and alot of money working out how to re-use waste products....I find it hard to believe that they do this without discussion seeing as progress is built upon discussion. I guess thats another theory of yours that didn't stand up to scrutiny.

I do believe Einstein would have spoken about condoms......but probably in private!!

I would like to pointout that by mentioning them you are not smart according to your own definition.

 

[SSAlexSS]

That must be why scientists and smart people spend alot of time and alot of money working out how to re-use waste products....I find it hard to believe that they do this without discussion seeing as progress is built upon discussion. I guess thats another theory of yours that didn't stand up to scrutiny.

I do believe Einstein would have spoken about condoms......but probably in private!!

I would like to pointout that by mentioning them you are not smart according to your own definition.

Judge everyone by what come out of his mouth. I dont start dirt talking.

Anyways, are we talking about training? There is a board about discussing your personal problems.