Calling all newbies: Ovetraining is highly ANABOLIC

[Imnotdutch]

You all want numbers? I've been doing overtraining techniques for 3 weeks now, and am going to continue until August, at which time I will start an old school regime.

My numbers in a 3 week time (From the time I did my first overtraining day that I previously posted):
Biceps: Grown .3
Chest: Grown .9
Shoulders: Grown 1.4
Waist: Grown .4 (ok, it's mostly fat, that's because I've been eating like a horse to compensate for my overtraining )
Legs: ?? (I havn't really done any squatting, overtraining takes alot out of me so I haven't been able to get a good leg day in and usually just do leg extentions/curls on leg day).

My chest/shoulders have blown up, I am getting a very wide look now. My arms arn't doing as good as I'd hope, but I am sure it just needs more time.

I really really wish I had kept my pictures that I took about 8 months ago before I started training. I was very small and was flabby. I deleted them off my HD because they were very embarresing and I didnt want to ever see them again. Now I am ALOT bigger (I kept the numbers, and will post them in August when I am done with a complete year) and pretty ripped.

I would like to make a few simple points.......

1) You are eating more!! If I increase my calories by 1000 my arms grow by half an inch. I soon lose that if I drop my calories.....and I lose it quickly. So chances are it is glycogen not muscle fibres.

2) What do you mean by your shoulders grew by 1.4 inches?? How did you measure this??

3) If everything you have gained is muscle (big if) then surely you were undertraining before. List your workout.......I want to see what you mean by 'overtraining'.

Oh and how much weight have you gained since starting this routine?? And how about giving us examples of what you bench etc.

Needsize,
I know I wont get pics or numbers from him. I have asked for pics and representative lifts on several occasions. This just seems to shut him up really quickly.

 

[SSAlexSS]

I would like to make a few simple points.......

1) You are eating more!! If I increase my calories by 1000 my arms grow by half an inch. I soon lose that if I drop my calories.....and I lose it quickly. So chances are it is glycogen not muscle fibres.

2) What do you mean by your shoulders grew by 1.4 inches?? How did you measure this??

3) If everything you have gained is muscle (big if) then surely you were undertraining before. List your workout.......I want to see what you mean by 'overtraining'.

Oh and how much weight have you gained since starting this routine?? And how about giving us examples of what you bench etc.

Needsize,
I know I wont get pics or numbers from him. I have asked for pics and representative lifts on several occasions. This just seems to shut him up really quickly.

Dont be so critical of his gains. Many hardgainers spend years on bad overtraining routines, then they drasticly lower the volume to hardgainer level and gain 30 pounds of pure muscle in 3-6 weeks.

Now if hardgainers could do that, imagine what someone else with better genes could get?

Such examples over and over again show that overtraining + undertraining later will produce phenominal gains.

Advaik is right. He followed some of mine advices and got stronger and bigger. There you go,.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Dont be so critical of his gains. Many hardgainers spend years on bad overtraining routines, then they drasticly lower the volume to hardgainer level and gain 30 pounds of pure muscle in 3-6 weeks.

Now if hardgainers could do that, imagine what someone else with better genes could get?

Such examples over and over again show that overtraining + undertraining later will produce phenominal gains.

Advaik is right. He followed some of mine advices and got stronger and bigger. There you go,.

30lb of pure muscle in 3-6 weeks??? Oh boy..........now that is a good un. PROVE IT!!! SHOW ME THE REPORTS THAT BACK THIS UP!! Go ahead put the proof in front of me and I'll check it out. You say that this has been proven over and over again......well show me the evidence so I can review it for you.

As for being critical........we all need to be critical in order to separate the bullshit in life from the good. My whole point was that I can make those gains just through eating more.......which is what he did. So we can't even attribute his gains to your routine........as much as you would like that.

BTW how bout some pics and example lifts.......you must be huge by now if Advaik is having these results.

 

[Imnotdutch]

And......

I would still like to see his routine posted so we can all see what this miracle system is all about.

 

[Advaik]

My routine is 3 days and I focus mainly on my upper body. I take 1 day off and then start the routine over, that way I am training almost twice a week. I've increased my weight about 2.5-5lbs on each lift every session so far. I don't know exactly how much I lift since I just do "what feels right". Anyways, I don't do the traditional "bench" or whatever because I don't have a spotter, I use DBs whenever possible. Btw, each session takes about 2-3 hours (except Day 3 which is usually just an hour at the most). I train very intensly and I never cheat. And like I said, I am doing this for the next 2 months, then taking a month off for rest and cardio to lose any extra BF I gain doing this, then I will post my final 1 year of training results. Afterwhich I will start the old school program until next summer.

Day 1-
Flat DB Press 5x6
Inclined DB Press 5x6
Declined DB Press 5x6
Flat Machine Flyers 5x6
Skullcrushers 5x6
Weighted Dips 5x6
Bent Weighted Dips 5x6
BB Concentration Curls 5x6
DB Hammer Curls 5x6
Wrist Rollers 5x6
Wrist Flexors 5x6
Wrist Extensions 5x6

Day 2-
Deadlifts 5x6
Straight Leg Deadlifts 5x6
Pull Downs 5x6
Pull Backs 5x6
Weighted Chin Ups 5x6
BTN Press 5x6
Military Press 5x6
Lateral Raises 5x6
Shrugs 10x12

Day 3- (Light day, don't want to put too much energy into legs since I am pretty burnt out by this time anyways)
Squats 5x6
Calf Raises 5x6
Leg Curls 5x6
Leg Extensions 5x6

 

[gmanlax7]

Advaik and Alex are definatly some sort of scam team working together to piss off people and misinform newbies

 

[Advaik]

I am not advocating any of this to newbies. Read my other post, I WARN newbies from even trying this routine. It's for people who know what they are doing. I am also not pissing anyone off, if you don't like my routine, don't try it. I am not advocating this to anyone. People want numbers, I give them numbers.

Piss off gmanlax7, and don't even put my name anywheres near Alex's name. He can use me as an example in any of his posts, I could care less. He does not know what he is doing, and if he want's to say "My plan worked for Advaik!" then he can go ahead and say that. I am not following his plan, I researched what he was saying and found alot of useful information to incorporate into my routines, but his idea of overtraining and my idea of overtraining are completly different.

 

[Imnotdutch]

I am not advocating any of this to newbies. Read my other post, I WARN newbies from even trying this routine. It's for people who know what they are doing. I am also not pissing anyone off, if you don't like my routine, don't try it. I am not advocating this to anyone. People want numbers, I give them numbers.

Piss off gmanlax7, and don't even put my name anywheres near Alex's name. He can use me as an example in any of his posts, I could care less. He does not know what he is doing, and if he want's to say "My plan worked for Advaik!" then he can go ahead and say that. I am not following his plan, I researched what he was saying and found alot of useful information to incorporate into my routines, but his idea of overtraining and my idea of overtraining are completly different.

You know I don't consider that an 'overtraining' program. It might be a bit excessive compared to what most do but it isn't anything like what SSAlexSS seemed to advocate. I still see it as plausible that you just found a decent routine and diet.......either way, good luck with hitting your targets.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Dont be so critical of his gains. Many hardgainers spend years on bad overtraining routines, then they drasticly lower the volume to hardgainer level and gain 30 pounds of pure muscle in 3-6 weeks.

Now if hardgainers could do that, imagine what someone else with better genes could get?

Such examples over and over again show that overtraining + undertraining later will produce phenominal gains.

Advaik is right. He followed some of mine advices and got stronger and bigger. There you go,.

AAAANNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDD

You are yet to back up your claims. You made some huge claims so lets see it........we want the proof. Failure to deliver will result in you being labelled a sensationalist dumbass who knows nothing and lies badly.

 

[Advaik]

You know I don't consider that an 'overtraining' program. It might be a bit excessive compared to what most do but it isn't anything like what SSAlexSS seemed to advocate. I still see it as plausible that you just found a decent routine and diet.......either way, good luck with hitting your targets.

This is a "real" overtraining program. I did research on it. All overtraining is is training BEYOND failure. If you do 1 rep beyond failure, you overtrained. What Alex is advocating is excessive overtraining, where you train to complete muscle failure. Like I said in another post, that is very catabolic if done too much. Sure, doing it once may do something for you but that's it. I would not recommend doing it unless you hit a wall and can't gain any mass. It's a pretty good system shocker.