Yep...I agree.
I read somewhere that the "ideal" training weight is 5-7% above contest weight.
Too low imo.
Look at the most successful pros - most of them really look...well...shitty in the off season.....who looks the best offseason ...Shawn Ray and others...that is why their contest weight hasn't gone upin 10 years.......perhaps Shawn does not "supplement" to the same extent as the others, but there is a correlation between off season bulk and onstage beef.