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Djimbe
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Kane Fan said:
It SEEMS like it would be , but BELIEVE me there is a HUGE difference when youre NOT fighting on a Mat and you only have 30-60 seconds (dep on Ruleset) to secure a Lock/Tap . look how long it can take EVEN A GRACIE to secure a Lock ! and MOST BJJers are NO Gracies ! Not by a LONG shot ! The WHOLE way you look at Tactics changes by force from the (current) MMA mindset , and what you spend your time working on does as well . and the Tactics of the G&P game are a LO more Brutal when the rear of your skull is not protected by a Mat .
Djimbe
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wich is part of the Illusion/Delusion of BJJ and the current trends in (M)MA !
I mean , Judo had it right all along , one perfect throw and the fight is over !
The PROBLEM is when we confuse the Practice environment (the MAT) for the real world . Mats were Introduced in Judo/JuJiutsu for the same reason that Cups , Mouthpieces , Headgear , shinguards , and Boxing Gloves were - so that we could PRACTICE what would be Painful WITHOUT said gear . If in MMA Matches the floor was Hard and the "Cage" was Brick or Stone the Import of the "Ground Game" would be far less Emphasised , though still not Nonexistant by any means . But now the Tactics and style developed specificaly and ONLY for the Mat Environments are being touted as "REAL" fighting , wich it , in fact , is not . MOST of the MA "Heroes" touted today as the "Worlds Greatest Fighters" would likely quickly be eaten alive in pretty much any Maximum Security Prison by pretty much anyone with any size on them that had managed to siurvive a few years in said environment if the Fight itself were to the death . Its pretty hard to take the Fight to the Ground when youre basically fighting in a Phone Booth .
But you would NOT have BJJ schools being run by purple (or even BLUE) belts in small-town USA charging +$200/mo for their services .
I mean , Judo had it right all along , one perfect throw and the fight is over !
The PROBLEM is when we confuse the Practice environment (the MAT) for the real world . Mats were Introduced in Judo/JuJiutsu for the same reason that Cups , Mouthpieces , Headgear , shinguards , and Boxing Gloves were - so that we could PRACTICE what would be Painful WITHOUT said gear . If in MMA Matches the floor was Hard and the "Cage" was Brick or Stone the Import of the "Ground Game" would be far less Emphasised , though still not Nonexistant by any means . But now the Tactics and style developed specificaly and ONLY for the Mat Environments are being touted as "REAL" fighting , wich it , in fact , is not . MOST of the MA "Heroes" touted today as the "Worlds Greatest Fighters" would likely quickly be eaten alive in pretty much any Maximum Security Prison by pretty much anyone with any size on them that had managed to siurvive a few years in said environment if the Fight itself were to the death . Its pretty hard to take the Fight to the Ground when youre basically fighting in a Phone Booth .
But you would NOT have BJJ schools being run by purple (or even BLUE) belts in small-town USA charging +$200/mo for their services .
Ripped2Shredds
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Just like in the wild, GO FOR THE THROAT...simple enough, 5lbs of pressure to the jugular and someone is dead. Like a lion or pit bull, to the throat and you win, simple enough.
MikeMartial
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Yarg! said:karate
taw kwan do
muay thai
kung fu
discuss, how well u think bjj would fare against those (all experienced practioners).
It's not the style, it's the fighter.
That being said, anyone versed in multiple arts will have "more tools in teh toolbox", so to speak.
Out of the three, BJJ is the most well rounded---but also the recent flavor of the month.
Never heard of "taw kwan do".
Djimbe
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MikeMartial said:
How so ?
The Avg BJJ (only) student cant take a swing at you worth a damn . Seriously .
And how , EXACTLY is it more "Well Rounded" than "Kung Fu" ? Wich SYSTEM of KF ? I mean , seeing as how I can rattle off well over a DOZEN systems of "Kung Fu" that not only have Striking but Grappling , Physical Fitness , and Weapons Elements , not to mention that they manage to do so without Beltrankings or "Traditionalistic" trappings of amy kind .
Never heard of "taw kwan do".
The "W" key is RIGHT next to the "E" key . Its a common typoe .
MikeMartial
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Djimbe said:
Good point.
I see you like Kung Fu
Sarcasm. Not on the keyboard. Easy to miss
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