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LOL I'm a Tae Kwon Do black belt and I would and have fought a BJJ black belt. The thing about BJJ is if they can't get you down beating there ass is simple. All you need is a good sprawl and the fight is basically won. It dosen't matter what style you take or what art your in. It all a matter of how intelligently you use what you know and how well you know the art of the person you up against. While in my tae kwon do training I had to study other arts and find there strength and weaknesses. All arts have a weakness and that is where you want the fight to be.
 
well since you have ma experience, there are some arts that have no weakness from a technical stand point, like krav maga, or vale tudo. is this true, do u think?
 
shamrock11 said:
LOL I'm a Tae Kwon Do black belt and I would and have fought a BJJ black belt. The thing about BJJ is if they can't get you down beating there ass is simple. All you need is a good sprawl and the fight is basically won. It dosen't matter what style you take or what art your in. It all a matter of how intelligently you use what you know and how well you know the art of the person you up against. While in my tae kwon do training I had to study other arts and find there strength and weaknesses. All arts have a weakness and that is where you want the fight to be.

There are BBJ players who have defeated all kinds of great fighters, Hoyce Gracie for example, 400 plus wins, against all kinds of opponents, if you train BJJ you also train how to take a guy down no matter what. just like Kick boxers would train to try to stay on his feet, however it is a little easier to take someone down rather than not get taken down, a good sprawl can still be defeated, a good BJJ fighter will get you to the ground, but you are right in the fact that everything has a weakness, u just have to be intelligent enough to know what it is and how to beat it. The smartest guy usually wins the fight.
 
ahh i see your point. but what exactly would be vale tudo or krav maga's weakness? i mean they lack rigid formality, they are definately effective in both striking and submission and quite adept at countering such moves. some martial arts like karate , and kung fu would for instance emphasize strikes only.
 
Krav - they take the most common attack situations and drill simple and brutal responses into you very relentlessly. The weakness is the lack of flexibility and lack of diversity of technique

vale tudo isn't a fighting style, just another way of saying "no holds barred"
 
ahh kk, gotcha. but ofcourse, one things for sure: cross train to win.
 
shamrock11 said:
All you need is a good sprawl and the fight is basically won.QUOTE]



BJJ is not my strength, but using BJJ against somebody who doesn't have any ground skills can have a pretty nasty result. The sprawls work but only up to a certain point. Personally, I can pull a guy into my guard from a sprawl. As I go in for the shot and he sprawls, I don't let my head drop too low from his weight before I sit on may ass and pull him into me. That makes him fall into my guard pretty easily. As far as striking goes, as long as I stay out of that middle range I'm fine. Either I'm too far for him to hit me(out of range) or I'm too close(Clinch) for him to hit me.

Just so you know, BJJ is not my strength. I much rather keep the fight on our feet and throw some leather at their chin... I have fought guys that are much better strikers than me and then I have to play into their weakness(grappling) even if it's not my strength.


I think and all around game is key. You have to know how to do everything.


-BRR
 
Big Rick Rock said:
shamrock11 said:
All you need is a good sprawl and the fight is basically won.QUOTE]



BJJ is not my strength, but using BJJ against somebody who doesn't have any ground skills can have a pretty nasty result. The sprawls work but only up to a certain point. Personally, I can pull a guy into my guard from a sprawl. As I go in for the shot and he sprawls, I don't let my head drop too low from his weight before I sit on may ass and pull him into me. That makes him fall into my guard pretty easily. As far as striking goes, as long as I stay out of that middle range I'm fine. Either I'm too far for him to hit me(out of range) or I'm too close(Clinch) for him to hit me.

Just so you know, BJJ is not my strength. I much rather keep the fight on our feet and throw some leather at their chin... I have fought guys that are much better strikers than me and then I have to play into their weakness(grappling) even if it's not my strength.


I think and all around game is key. You have to know how to do everything.


-BRR


Agreed, don't play into somebody's strengths if you can avoid it. Don't box a boxer, don't grapple a grappler......unless you are reasonably sure you are quite a bit better than them.
 
Great thread!

It would be totally analogous to ask, "What single weight exercise will give me the best body?"

Answer: none of them.

But mix all free weight exercises (heavy power work, light speed and plyometric work, and middle range repetition to failure work), machines, and body weight/free weight training in a unique package that together addresses your weaknesses and maximizes your strengths, and you have a body well-tuned and trained to meet your demands.

I guess you could call this jeet kune do, but JKD is really a pan-style philosophy rather than a particular style of training. And unfortunately, JKD is more often a marketing term for scams nowadays.

What works best is to train your body and to learn techniques that together enable you to move your body through space so as to increase your chance of survival when facing any situation unarmed. This is probably an impossible task to finish anyway. . . But it's like a chess game. There is no killer move that always wins. It all depends on what is happening, what the evil forces of destruction (i.e. your opponents) are doing, your physical, mental and environmental limitations at that moment, etc. You make the best move you can come up with at the moment in a fluid way.

Practically, the best thing to do is to take a little of this until you're tired of it, then take a little of that, and so on. Synthesize it so it's right for you. Then expose your ongoing work to the laboratory of real combat (MMA and NHB most safely) to test your ideas, discard the losers and keep the winners.
 
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