Biotest's 4-AD-EC, thoughts

[latinus_spicticus]

Some of you need to work on your reading comprehension.

I AM NOT TAKING MAG-10 with 1AD. I am going to use the 4-AD-EC component of Mag-10 with 1AD to offset the side-effect of decreased libido and lack of CNS stimulation attributed to 1AD use. Get a fucking clue before posting. I don't care if you don't think PA was out of line with his post--he was and he is a egomaniacal faggot. If I wanted to get really personal I would rip on his girlfriend who looks like an alien. But I won't elaborate on that as I feel sorry for her (and him).

 

[pa1ad]

"YOu may just as well take androstenedione with anadrol and then give the adione a thumbs up.".

Did you say this? I thought so. Your response to my question was extremely condescending and insulting. Or do you think this is a normal way to respond to a perfectly normal question? By the way, I didn't address you specifically, nor did I ask a question about stacking it with 1AD--my original question asked if anyone else was interested in the 4AD-EC compound. So you didn't even respond to my original question--you rudely stated that I was going to tell everyone 4AD was good because of the 1AD. How insecure are you, really?




"Please do not take this product with 1-AD. What will happen is you will get good gains from the 1-AD and then assume that the 4-AD EC is good too"

So somehow you just knew that I would attribute the gains from 1AD to the 4AD-EC? Not only are you a dick, you are an egomaniac and are on the same level as Brock Strasser in regards to egomania and ripping on other companies' products.

No, but you are a sensitive estrogen boy whose obviously got his fallopian tubes tied in a huge knot.

Are you bitchy cuz they just announce the cancellation of Ally McBeal? What is it?

 

[megadeth]

Oh, Patrick, always the asshole! LOL

Lat, I use to wonder the same thing, but then I just realized that this is just Pat's style.
It sound like you are taking his first response a little bit too personally. It sound like he was taking more of a shot at 4ad-ec, than you.

You also have to realize that you are not going to find too many guys that very interested in dicussing Biotest products(especially on this board)on many board outside of the t-mag board. So, of course your going to get some smart ass answers!

Comparing PA to Brock/Bruce is hitting WAAAAAYYYY under the belt. If pat rips a product he normally will give a very plausable reason why he thing it will now work or why he thinks it is just plain shit.

Brock on the other hand is motivated by envy, spite and jealousy, and like his other co-hores at biotest would sell their own mother for a nickle. Think about it, every product that Brock warned about in his old consumer watchdog column is still on the market save Triax(which should still be there). What does that tell you? And when has Pat ever trashed product like he has? I'd like to know.

Shoot him a private email and you will realize how down to earth & cool he can be(or not). Lighten up, bro.

Megadeth

 

[latinus_spicticus]

Okay, PussyAss. You can't use logic to debate with me on this because you were in the wrong with your first (and all subsequent posts on this topic) post and you know it! BTW, I have been using liquidex at .5mg eod for 2 months now, and according to a saliva test my estradiol was extremely low and test came out to be 886ng/dl. So there goes your lame "estrogen boy" theory. BTW, I started the 4AD-EC yesterday and my libido has already kicked into overdrive and I felt very strong in the gym this afternoon. My normal sets of 5 with 325 in the flat bench press felt lighter than normal. Maybe this is placebo but I haven't touched a steroid/prohormone for 8 weeks and the only thing I am on is liquidex and (for 2 days now) 4-AD-EC. BTW, even though my libido is sky high I still wouldn't touch your nasty-assed alienhead fiance. Just exactly what did you give her to cause that veiny projection-screen forehead and misshapen jawline? Did you sneak some andro into her eas spermoplex lite? In case you're wondering, I saw you and her up close at the arnold so I am not exaggerating when I say that she is very inhuman appearing. You aren't exactly a looker, either, Nero boy. Kelcey has a somewhat nice body if you can stomach the white-trash flab, but her head resembles the queen alien that Sigourney Weaver wasted in Alien. I still cannot get over the fact that you have become a bigger megalomaniac than all of the assfamily at Biotest are combined! Hehehe. Good luck with you next supplement, PussyAss.

 

[smokinghawk]

Pat, why are you such a dick? I've tried 1AD on three seperate occasions and I got great results every time. You know what, Biotest and everyone I talked to said that it was a scam. If I listened to them, I would never have taken it.

...soooo, you've just admitted that Biotest's advice and assurances about supplements are UNTRUE and MISLEADING? And yet you still trusted in their honesty and accuracy enough to buy their 4-AD-EC product anyway? Man, you're like the abused woman who keeps going back to her abuser because THIS time he promises it's for real!

Also, what IS it with people who buy poducts first and then ask other people if they think it's a good product?

 

[Monolith1]

Does 4-AD-EC cause roid rage hahaha.

 

[Testoman]

I loooooooooooooooooooooove it.

Definitely not your everyday thread.!!!!!!!!!!!!

Testoman

 

[latinus_spicticus]

Okay guys, I will admit that I let myself get out of hand. I apologize for any insults or nasty things I've said on this thread.

I realize that Biotest is not a favorite among people on most internet discussion boards. You can not deny, however, that some of their products (Mag-10, Grow) do work to an extent. yes, they tend to exaggerate their claims but so does Ergopharm and most other supp companies; case in point: the "1AD is 700% more potent than testosterone" claim by PA.

An update: I am on day 3 of the 4-AD-EC. I used two doses (400mg total) on day 1, then one dose the other two days. I am not lying when I say that my libido has increased threefold. I was clean for 8 weeks (sans the .5mg liquidex eod) and was waking up with morning wood on most days, and I would say I had a high sex drive. Now, my sex drive is way up and I am popping boners every hour or two, I also feel stronger. This is exactly what 4AD is reputed to do. Am I saying that the 4ad-ec is better than transdermal 4AD or 4AD in 1g+ doses? Not necessarily. But I have never achieved any effects like these from 4-ad spray or 1 gram doses of the oral powder from kilosports. I will admit that transdermals don't work well for me, as I didn't gain from androsol, andro-spray, or Avant Labs' ONE, all of which cause noticable gains in most users.

Having said that, I will never buy an ergopharm product again now that I have found a bulk supplier of 1-test that is 98%HPLC pure, as opposed to Kilocraps' impure powder. I will, however, buy all of my 1AD from Kilosports in the future now that I am boycotting ergopharm and they are the only other supplier. I will also refer the guys at my gym to save a lot of money by buying from kilosports instead of ergopharm as well. After acting the way he did, Pat Arnold deserves no business from me or those whom I associate with.

 

[latinus_spicticus]

...soooo, you've just admitted that Biotest's advice and assurances about supplements are UNTRUE and MISLEADING? And yet you still trusted in their honesty and accuracy enough to buy their 4-AD-EC product anyway? Man, you're like the abused woman who keeps going back to her abuser because THIS time he promises it's for real!

Also, what IS it with people who buy poducts first and then ask other people if they think it's a good product?

That was a typo. I meant to say that everyone (not biotest) told me it wouldn't work. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Triple A]

What are the side effects

Does anyone know the side effects of 4-AD-EC? Does it increase male pattern baldness if you are already prone to it, will it increase acne, does it cause gyno? I have not used Mag 10 for these reasons but am looking to possibly use 4-Ad-Ec if there are relatively few or low side effects. Thanks to anyone who answers.