Your right and wrong here (when it comes to me) but I agree I've seen the same. First off fuck u for saying I look like shit Steve. Lmao real fuckin nice lmao jk... But seriously now, I don't get it cause I give 1000% every day in the gym. Never skimp on reps and always go hard. I had a solid base before juicing, muscles were hard, toned, and I was plateaued.. However my pct got fucked up (still recovering test) ran nothing at alll during, and now learning the hard way like thousands before me. Haven't bridged because I don't want to suppress myself while still recovering. However I kept all my strength gains. I didn't lose EVERYTHING but def lost most. Thankfully I have knowledgeable good people like ur self to help me do it the right way next time. And I'm thankful I met Nate when I did or I woulda really been up shits creek. I hear what your saying tho.