Being Ripped 24/7 is the BEST and fastest way to gain muscle?

[SSAlexSS]

Many people now bulk up really hard to gain those extra pounds, almost no one, is ripped these days. "I am gaining muscle, fat will come off later." is the usual responce.

But are you supposed to be heavy in you mass gaining phase? It seems that is is not nessesary and maybe even downright bad for max muscle gains.

Lets talk about muscle gains. Most people can only gain 6-10 pounds of pure muscle per year. That equates to almost 0-1pounds gained per month (hey whose weight scale is precise to 100 grams?). Yet many people think that they are not gaining enough so they stuff themselves with useless calories, and useless those calories are if they go to the gut instead of your muscles. Overfeeding will not and cannot force your muscle to grow, only exercise does. I am not saying that you need to eat like a bird, no. But if you eat more than say 100 calories over your induvidual maintenance goal at ripped state, you will start gaining extra weight in terms of fat.
Overeating is extremely anabolic... to fat tissue. Now overeating DOES have some seroious consequnces. First additional fat is not beneficial for most muscle and strengtrh gains. Being overweight even slightly can disrupt your hormones, disrupt your insulin, and guess what with less hormones you are less likely to put on some serious muscle. Obviously that ain't good. Furthermore good nutrition can never ever
benefit you if you are training poorly. howeever if you are training correctly then not the best nutrition can still work. To get a faster car you need to install better engine, not overflood it with fuel... right? Same is with human body.

Also lets take 2 induviduals, lets say identical brothers. They have identical genetics and their training si the same, intense and progressive.

Brother A:
Decided to go the lean way. He gains only 1 pounds per mongth. A barely noticible gain. But it is all muscle. After 12 month period he gained 12 pounds of muscle.

Brother B:
Decided to go and use Size Oddyssey 2001. He decided that enough protein is good and more is better. He gains like crazy. 10 pounds in 1 month! WOW! "I am huuge"
At 9th month "I have flabby thighs, but thank god my Gut covers it up". Time to do an anual cut up lasting 2 moth.


End results:
While brother B is seriously dieting cutting his flab AND loosing some muscle, brother A still gains muscle. End result?

Brother A gained up to 12 pounds and Brother B only 7 ( some muscle lost when he got rid of his last 50 pounds of flab AND wasted time.)


You think that overating (and it is overating when you gain more than 1-2 pounds per month) will make you gain more? NO! yOUR TRAINING WILL!

Lets see at Dorian. Obviously he had some great genetics. He gained about 90 pounds of muscle in about 10 years WITH STEROIDS! That means that on average he gained 9 pounds per friggin year! (Acyually he gained 30 pounds of muscle in his fiorst two years of lifting weights. ) BEGGINER GAINS! And if he only gained like 15 pounds of muscle for his 1st year or or so.. How do you think you can gain so much? You can,t not muscle anyways. Was DOrian Underfed or under nourished? NO! he ate 6 meals per day day 1. Look at his flabby gut in Blood from strained muscles and big Guts. (Blood and Guts)


True being ripped you gain minimul weight. Yes, but it is muscle rather than 65% fat, 25% water and 10 % muscle!!!! ANd being ripped you dont have to waste time dieting and loosing time, energy and muscle!

 

[SSAlexSS]

Many people now bulk up really hard to gain those extra pounds, almost no one, is ripped these days. "I am gaining muscle, fat will come off later." is the usual responce.

But are you supposed to be heavy in you mass gaining phase? It seems that is is not nessesary and maybe even downright bad for max muscle gains.

Lets talk about muscle gains. Most people can only gain 6-10 pounds of pure muscle per year. That equates to almost 0-1pounds gained per month (hey whose weight scale is precise to 100 grams?). Yet many people think that they are not gaining enough so they stuff themselves with useless calories, and useless those calories are if they go to the gut instead of your muscles. Overfeeding will not and cannot force your muscle to grow, only exercise does. I am not saying that you need to eat like a bird, no. But if you eat more than say 100 calories over your induvidual maintenance goal at ripped state, you will start gaining extra weight in terms of fat.
Overeating is extremely anabolic... to fat tissue. Now overeating DOES have some seroious consequnces. First additional fat is not beneficial for most muscle and strengtrh gains. Being overweight even slightly can disrupt your hormones, disrupt your insulin, and guess what with less hormones you are less likely to put on some serious muscle. Obviously that ain't good. Furthermore good nutrition can never ever
benefit you if you are training poorly. howeever if you are training correctly then not the best nutrition can still work. To get a faster car you need to install better engine, not overflood it with fuel... right? Same is with human body.

Also lets take 2 induviduals, lets say identical brothers. They have identical genetics and their training si the same, intense and progressive.

Brother A:
Decided to go the lean way. He gains only 1 pounds per mongth. A barely noticible gain. But it is all muscle. After 12 month period he gained 12 pounds of muscle.

Brother B:
Decided to go and use Size Oddyssey 2001. He decided that enough protein is good and more is better. He gains like crazy. 10 pounds in 1 month! WOW! "I am huuge"
At 9th month "I have flabby thighs, but thank god my Gut covers it up". Time to do an anual cut up lasting 2 moth.


End results:
While brother B is seriously dieting cutting his flab AND loosing some muscle, brother A still gains muscle. End result?

Brother A gained up to 12 pounds and Brother B only 7 ( some muscle lost when he got rid of his last 50 pounds of flab AND wasted time.)


You think that overating (and it is overating when you gain more than 1-2 pounds per month) will make you gain more? NO! yOUR TRAINING WILL!

Lets see at Dorian. Obviously he had some great genetics. He gained about 90 pounds of muscle in about 10 years WITH STEROIDS! That means that on average he gained 9 pounds per friggin year! (Acyually he gained 30 pounds of muscle in his fiorst two years of lifting weights. ) BEGGINER GAINS! And if he only gained like 15 pounds of muscle for his 1st year or or so.. How do you think you can gain so much? You can,t not muscle anyways. Was DOrian Underfed or under nourished? NO! he ate 6 meals per day day 1. Look at his flabby gut in Blood from strained muscles and big Guts. (Blood and Guts)


True being ripped you gain minimul weight. Yes, but it is muscle rather than 65% fat, 25% water and 10 % muscle!!!! ANd being ripped you dont have to waste time dieting and loosing time, energy and muscle!

Yo... Someone please reply! This post received like 15+ views yet no one has replied!!!!! Whats up??? reply please!

 

[sysopt]

People would err on slightly overeating than undereating when they want to MAXIMIZE muscle gains. I don't where you get this idea that when people bulk they turn into balls of blubber.

 

[Island Son]

<delurk>

Seems unrealistic. I can't see why your body would one day decide to build 100% muscle, no fat just because you will it to. By exercise you trying to burn energy while building muscle, so that the overall balance is tilted towards a higher muscle ratio.

AFAIK when you exercise you also breakdown and lose muscle. Staying absolutely ripped means in all likelihood having a slight calorie deficit, so you're slowly losing weight. Even if you eat the "perfect" amount of calories, your body is still trying to create fat (hey, even cholesterol is an important substance in the body). The rationale is to eat enought to get muscle gain close to 100% while enduring the inevitable fat gain as well. I don't count to the last calorie eaten and walked off, or if I've been walking 5 minutes longer so I don't know the perfect number every day.

Personally I don't overeat or count calories, so I'm quite happy with my moderate muscle gain of 15 lbs last year (roughly 13 lean, 2 fat). I'm sure if I didn't skip meals and then did more cardio at the end of the year, it'd be higher.
<lurk>

 

[SSAlexSS]

People would err on slightly overeating than undereating when they want to MAXIMIZE muscle gains. I don't where you get this idea that when people bulk they turn into balls of blubber.

Well do you see you perfect 6 pack? If you pinch on your sides does something rolls?
Is your belly less than granite hard?

10 pounds of extra fat might not look that much but it means that you ate
35,000 of unneeded calories.

35,000!!!!!!! I think tha the err is too big. Maybe 1-2 of blubber a month, that would be a slight err (still 7000 extra calories).

When you are gaining fat you are just eating too much. period. Ofcourse you need to eat enough. That is why you find your metabolic rate at ripped condition and then just add about 100 calories to that .Eat that each day and you shoulkd gain minimul fat (1 pound per month). That way you dont loose weight, and you dont remain at same weight since you got enough calories to grow muscles and barely enough calories to grow much fat.

 

[SSAlexSS]

<delurk>

Seems unrealistic. I can't see why your body would one day decide to build 100% muscle, no fat just because you will it to. By exercise you trying to burn energy while building muscle, so that the overall balance is tilted towards a higher muscle ratio.

AFAIK when you exercise you also breakdown and lose muscle. Staying absolutely ripped means in all likelihood having a slight calorie deficit, so you're slowly losing weight. Even if you eat the "perfect" amount of calories, your body is still trying to create fat (hey, even cholesterol is an important substance in the body). The rationale is to eat enought to get muscle gain close to 100% while enduring the inevitable fat gain as well. I don't count to the last calorie eaten and walked off, or if I've been walking 5 minutes longer so I don't know the perfect number every day.

Personally I don't overeat or count calories, so I'm quite happy with my moderate muscle gain of 15 lbs last year (roughly 13 lean, 2 fat). I'm sure if I didn't skip meals and then did more cardio at the end of the year, it'd be higher.
<lurk>

Did you just start last year, those are possible muscle gains yes...

Howeever if you didnt start last year or use gear, I hate to tell you... A big part of it is fat... yeh it looks like muscle but it is fat.... SOme more fat on your arms might look like you are building muscle and measurements will surely increase, but....


well, you get the idea.

 

[Island Son]

Did you just start last year, those are possible muscle gains yes...

Howeever if you didnt start last year or use gear, I hate to tell you... A big part of it is fat... yeh it looks like muscle but it is fat.... SOme more fat on your arms might look like you are building muscle and measurements will surely increase, but....


well, you get the idea.

no gear. And this was measured using the body composition thingy with the electrodes. Been working out for a long time off and on but only got intense a year ago. We'll see if I can continue that this year... so don't rain on my parade

 

[Drifter]

Sorry to say this Alex but you are full of crap. You can't just make up your own facts to support your argument, it just doesn't work that way.

 

[DIESEL_5]

Alex,
Where is your scientific evidence of this?? It sounds like your stating your opinions as facts.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Sorry to say this Alex but you are full of crap. You can't just make up your own facts to support your argument, it just doesn't work that way.

FACTS?

1 pound of fat contains 3500 calories. FACT!

If you are gaining fat that means that you are overstuffing yourself with 1000s of useless calories. They are useless if they go into fat reserves. Fat is the last thing to benefit from food, so if you are gaining fat, you are eating just too much!
FACT!


FAT is like reserves. If you have left over UNNEEDED material then you grow fat. Muscles already had their chance to grow so why feed more?



FACT. You cant force feed yourself into growth. Not muscle grwoth anyways. Force train yes. Create the demand and your body will create the supply.


FACT. Human body is adaptive machine. Like animals it can survive on less food. People live on like 700 calories mostly from carbs and fat. True they arent muscular but they dont die because they have like 50 grams of incomplete protein a day. Their muscles dont dissappear thus causing them to die. ANd they maintain their muscle mass just fine.

FACT. some Humans have crossed desert with 1 litre of water. ONLY. SO much for drink 6 gallons to survive average 80 + degree day.

SOme weird stuff.
This old lady had like a group of runners. Her group was supposed to compete against a group of other runners. The other group of runners was fed 'normally' 190+ g of protein a day and so on.

This lady only fed her runners with vegetables, bread and like 10 grams of protein per day.

All the experts said that her team would loose and stuff. Well her runners WON. I am quite sure that it was a controlled expereiment and all the runners were equally as good...



Anyways human body requires training. NOT FOOD!
A good nutrition will do nothing good if your training sucks.
You can build muscle on submaintenace diet, its just harder and longer.



FACT: Additional fat is detrimental to your progress. Your hormones are out of whack, which obviously isnt that good for bodybuilders!!


not sure about this: Additional fat adds nothing to strength. Infact it is detrimental to it since intramuscular fat can actually prevent some muscle fibers from contracting thujs less force output and less growth!