Being Ripped 24/7 is the BEST and fastest way to gain muscle?

[SSAlexSS]

<delurk>

Seems unrealistic. I can't see why your body would one day decide to build 100% muscle, no fat just because you will it to. By exercise you trying to burn energy while building muscle, so that the overall balance is tilted towards a higher muscle ratio.

AFAIK when you exercise you also breakdown and lose muscle. Staying absolutely ripped means in all likelihood having a slight calorie deficit, so you're slowly losing weight. Even if you eat the "perfect" amount of calories, your body is still trying to create fat (hey, even cholesterol is an important substance in the body). The rationale is to eat enought to get muscle gain close to 100% while enduring the inevitable fat gain as well. I don't count to the last calorie eaten and walked off, or if I've been walking 5 minutes longer so I don't know the perfect number every day.

Personally I don't overeat or count calories, so I'm quite happy with my moderate muscle gain of 15 lbs last year (roughly 13 lean, 2 fat). I'm sure if I didn't skip meals and then did more cardio at the end of the year, it'd be higher.
<lurk>

The problem is that you think that body is static. It is not, it has its own ratios and needs.

If you train correctly, you will grow. Period.


Your body can repartition itself to spend less energy on something else and spend more energy on building muscle.
Clenbuterol is such repartion agent. WHen you use it you loose fat and gain muscle (atleast in animals. Some bodybuilders think that they are animals too so they inject it into themselves... But lets stay on topic ok? )

hey did you scare the bejesus out of your whole system on leg day?
I did, did you?

After your body is shocked , guess what... IT will grow, and the amount of calories, protein , blah blah is secondary or not that important at all!

 

[sysopt]

So according to you we should be eating 1000 calories/day and weightlifting all day long to "force" muscle growth....right...

 

[SSAlexSS]

So according to you we should be eating 1000 calories/day and weightlifting all day long to "force" muscle growth....right...

No. I am not saying that you should eat that little or train that much.

All I am saying is that humongous amounts of calories may not be the best or the fastest way to go.


This was taken from 30 biggest bodybuilding lies. The text below is written by the experts in bio.

2 -- In order to get really big, you have to eat a super-high-calorie

diet.


Well, that's true; you'll get really big if you eat a super high-calorie diet, but you'll look like the Michelin Man's fraternal
twin. However, if you want to get big, lean-tissue wise, then
super-high-calorie diets are probably not for you unless you are one of those very few people with metabolicrates so fast you can burn off these calories instead of depositing them as fat. Unfortunately, studies show that, in most people, about 65% of the new tissue gains brought about by high-calorie diets consists of fat! Of the remaining 35%, approximately 15% consists of increased intracellular fluid volume, leaving a very modest percentage attributable to increased lean muscle mass.


According to Dr Scott Connelly (MM2K, Spring 1992, p. 21), only about 20% to 25% of increased muscle growth stems from increased protein synthesis. The rest of the muscle growth is directly attributable to increased proliferation of the satellite cells in the basal lamina of muscle tissue, and dietary energy (calories) is not a key factor in the differentiation of these cells into new myofibres (muscle cells).

///// SEE! Food isnt the key factor in muscle growth!!!!////////


Of all factors determining muscle growth, prevention of protein

breakdown (anti-catabolism) seems to be the most relevant, but adding adipose [fat] tissue through constant overfeeding can actually increase muscle pro- teolysis (breakdown). Furthermore, additional adipose mass can radically alter hormone balances which are responsible for controlling protein breakdown in muscle. Insulin balance, for one, which partially controls anti-catabolism in the body, is impaired by consistent overfeeding. So much for the eat-big-to-get-big philosophy!


Stay away from the super-high calorie diets unless you're a genetic freak, or you're woefully lean and don't mind putting on fat [or you're using appropriate pharmaceutical supplements].




///// SEE! Being fat is actually bad for purposes of building muscle. ANd if ur six pack is barely seen, you eat too much and u are too fat!!! ////////////

 

[Ingram]

SSAlexSS, I admit in your babbling you have made some interesting points. However, your argument leaves yourself vulnerable.

What is your definition of being ripped?

-If it’s anywhere below 3-4%bf, you have to be kidding yourself to think a grown man could be putting on a pound of muscle per month and keep that % of bodyfat. Most people who obtain such a low bodyfat can only keep it for a few weeks before losing muscle, energy, etc…

-If it’s 6-8% bodyfat, yes it is true you can gain muscle and keep the bodyfat, but your diet and genetics must be almost perfect to maintain this through-out. For sure after a couple years of this your gains would slow down and be much less than a pound a month. I have high standards; I do not consider 6-8%bf ripped. If you went into a competition with this bodyfat you’d get laughed off the stage.

Why is it that after 56 years of the IFBB existence hasn't everyone eliminated the Bulk/Cut cycle and stayed ripped all year round? Do you really think you’ve figured out the great bodybuilding mystery?

I DON'T

 

[Johnny Auto Parts]

Alex, I'd applaud you for questioning the traditional knowledge spread around on Elite Fitness. Most of the time, people hear something on this site and they take it for granted without questioning its legitimance.......you may or may not be right, i dont know, but I'd like to hear what you think would be an ideal diet and ideal training routine that would support the philosophy you are presenting.

 

[SSAlexSS]

SSAlexSS, I admit in your babbling you have made some interesting points. However, your argument leaves yourself vulnerable.

What is your definition of being ripped?

-If it’s anywhere below 3-4%bf, you have to be kidding yourself to think a grown man could be putting on a pound of muscle per month and keep that % of bodyfat. Most people who obtain such a low bodyfat can only keep it for a few weeks before losing muscle, energy, etc…

-If it’s 6-8% bodyfat, yes it is true you can gain muscle and keep the bodyfat, but your diet and genetics must be almost perfect to maintain this through-out. For sure after a couple years of this your gains would slow down and be much less than a pound a month. I have high standards; I do not consider 6-8%bf ripped. If you went into a competition with this bodyfat you’d get laughed off the stage.

Why is it that after 56 years of the IFBB existence hasn't everyone eliminated the Bulk/Cut cycle and stayed ripped all year round? Do you really think you’ve figured out the great bodybuilding mystery?

I DON'T

My defination of being ripped is 5-6% of bodyfat. I am not implying that you need to be in "competition shape"... no few pounds heavier. But still perfect abs showing and little pinch if any.

About IFBB. Well and they havent changed 6 days per week routine either. Almost any pro since Larry Scott empoys this useless system. Admit 6 days per week is to much, sometimes EVEN for juiced athletes. It is one thing to go through the motions 6 days per week. It is quite differnt to go Blood and Guts.


Modern PRO Bodybuilders are the dumbest (no insult to anyone) in terms of training science. Feel your muscle, go with your gut???? Can you imagine a sprinter or olympic lifter going by feel alone??? NO! Pros are so geneticly gifted and so juiced that they can succeeed DESPITE themeselves. Infact now I know why only the top genetic elite succedes n bodybuilding. The routines are so bad that you need a miracle to succeed!

 

[SSAlexSS]

Alex, I'd applaud you for questioning the traditional knowledge spread around on Elite Fitness. Most of the time, people hear something on this site and they take it for granted without questioning its legitimance.......you may or may not be right, i dont know, but I'd like to hear what you think would be an ideal diet and ideal training routine that would support the philosophy you are presenting.

Ideal program?

Beginner stage:
3 days per week. Bodypart 2x per week constantly changing.
progressive overload. Monday Workoput 1 Wednesday workout 2 Friday workout 1 bnext monday workout 2 etc.

Intemediate:
2 days per week. Each bodypart works only 1x per week.

Advanced:
Each bodypart once in 2 weeks. (If you can still gaine on intemediate use it).


Add weight ALL the time. If you cant drop the sets, take a week off or decrease a volume.



Ideal diet?
5-6 times per day at about 2500-3500 calories.
Protein: 1 g per pound of bodyweight Carbs: 2 g per pound of bodyweiught Fat: Enough to fill the rest of calories.

 

[karellan]

"Overfeeding will not and cannot force your muscle to grow, only exercise does."

Yes it can.

"yeh it looks like muscle but it is fat...."

That's hilarious.

"FACT. You cant force feed yourself into growth. "

Maybe you just don't want to lose your precious abercrombie and fitch model abs. Or maybe you aren't working hard enough.

Now if you increased your workload or intensity (for all you HITters), don't you think that your body would need more calories to repair and grow?

(And I know you'll answer that with, "Yes, and I'm providing it with 100 extra calories per day!!!!")

"SOme weird stuff.
This old lady had like a group of runners. Her group was supposed to compete against a group of other runners. The other group of runners was fed 'normally' 190+ g of protein a day and so on.

This lady only fed her runners with vegetables, bread and like 10 grams of protein per day.

All the experts said that her team would loose and stuff. Well her runners WON. I am quite sure that it was a controlled expereiment and all the runners were equally as good..."

Who here is a marathon runner?

"FACT. some Humans have crossed desert with 1 litre of water. ONLY."

Yeah, it's possible. But many other have died trying that. And let's just say that when they started to hallucinate out in the middle of the Sahara seeing Leprechauns running around, they weren't in peak physical condition.

"SO much for drink 6 gallons to survive average 80 + degree day."

What? Yes, it's good to stay well hydrated. 6 gallons is an outlandish exaggeration though.

"not sure about this: Additional fat adds nothing to strength."

YES IT DOES. (and no, I'm not talking about sacrificing range of motion)