Beef Has "Better" Protein Than Chicken? O.o

[Marcoparc]

How do most of you incorporate beef into your diet?

A lot of people here mention ground beef. How do you prepare it?

 

[SgtSlaughter]

of course its a type baby! Im a self apppointment guru in fitness, not english lol

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[Lifterforlife]

How do most of you incorporate beef into your diet?

A lot of people here mention ground beef. How do you prepare it?

I am all about a good steak! Beef as I mentioned is high in zinc and a decent amount of saturated fat. Both are good for test levels, so if bulking, eat up! Even on a cut diet, I have beef once per week.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Ask him these simple questions...

What are the 3 best excercises to perform for strenght
A: Bench/Squat/Deadlift

Do you sqaut? If Yes ask him how low he goes, if he says only parrelel because any further is bad, IS UNTRUE.
Pararel is HARDER because it bsaically stops the momemntum on your knee joints/tendons etc. Going ass to grass is easier on the knees because it transfers weight onto he hips, wich can hold way more weight then the knees. IF he says he doesnt sqaut because he doesnt need to, then you know the answer.

Ask him, since beef is the best protein, ask him what your macro ratios should be, A normal answer, would be 40/30/30 | 30/40/30 But if he says something totaly not around that, then hes a moron.

Moron is a pretty strong word to use with both of your examples. First off, with squatting, it is dependent on what he is trying to accomplish. A partial squat or yes, even a leg press can be useful to limit one's rom and allow targeting of quads without involving the glutes for instance. (we are not powerlifters, bodybuilding is the key). In fact, many swear by leg presses. Some folks get so fatigued from squats that they actually miss out on quad work(fatigue sets in before quads are worked).

And as far as diet, there are tons of different macros. Your suggestions are basically isocaloric, many in fact swear by and gain great on a 50/20/30 p/c/f for instance.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

(we are not powerlifters, bodybuilding is the key)

MM is a hybrid of both! lol.

I agree with the rest of your post

 

[mm107]

Moron is a pretty strong word to use with both of your examples. First off, with squatting, it is dependent on what he is trying to accomplish. A partial squat or yes, even a leg press can be useful to limit one's rom and allow targeting of quads without involving the glutes for instance. (we are not powerlifters, bodybuilding is the key). In fact, many swear by leg presses. Some folks get so fatigued from squats that they actually miss out on quad work(fatigue sets in before quads are worked).

And as far as diet, there are tons of different macros. Your suggestions are basically isocaloric, many in fact swear by and gain great on a 50/20/30 p/c/f for instance.

Yea, i def see your point lifterforlife, But Reguardless if we are bodybuilders or powerlifters, HOW WE LOOK is done in the kitchen.

Yes, leg presses can be used at half rom to target a specific range/specific muscle of course. BUT would MOST trainers recommend half rom, to only hit the qauds? No, they would recommend the LEG Press because it easier then squatting.

I know there are plenty of macros to play with, AS long as the trainer knows there needs to be a balnce somewhere then he atleast knows that. Ive heard alot of trainers tell me or others "Your body doesnt need fat, let the body eat the fat from your body" meaning the split would be 70/30/0 , or 50/50/0 and so on. As long as he can EXPLAIN WHY the macros are they way they are then he is fine.

Ectomophs, for example, can be on a HIGH carb diet, with little bodyfat gain. While an Endomorph, most are very insulin/carb sensitive so thier diets are lower in carbs. (If the traininer knows why the macros need to be where they are, he atleast knows nutrition, to an extent)

Now, back to, we are bodybuilders, not powerlifters, I know this, and i dont know why people really seperate the two, THEY ARE COMPLETEY DIFFERENT SPORTS, but they are in the same field. A powerlifter is BIG/Unshaped because of his diet. HIS DIET controlls how he looks (if he is one of the I EAT ANYTHING powerlifters, then yes, his physique doesnt fit bodybuilding criteria.) BUT what if he ATE 7,000 CLEAN CALORIES, OF ALL CHICKEN/TUNA/Cassein/Whey. Yes he would LOOK extremely good, infact i bet he would be MISTAKEN at some points for a Bodybuilder.

Sqautting should be an ESSENTIAL part of your LEG arsenal, reguardless if you are a powerlifter/bodybuilder. THEN Leg Presses for additional work. Now you said, most are fatiqued before the quads are completely killed, So why not throw in SOME FRONT SQAUTS.

Anything on a set plane(such as a leg press) can not be compared to being as effective as the Squat, A compound excercise, Where you actually have to move your body through space(proven to be more effective then moving wieght through space)

And from his post, hes obviously asking advice on how to Pick a Personal trainer right? Meaning, he probably doesnt look like a bodybuilder(no offense at all trust me) so i doubt he has to worry about building specifc body parts(yet)

He should be worrying about CORE strenght and compound excercises, just as much as a Powerlifter. Remember, LOOKING GOOD IS ALL IN THE KITCHEN.

This is Just my opinion, Lifter, you make some GREAT points, so i cant take anything away from ya answer at all. Just my opinion.

 

[mm107]

I am all about a good steak! Beef as I mentioned is high in zinc and a decent amount of saturated fat. Both are good for test levels, so if bulking, eat up! Even on a cut diet, I have beef once per week.

Yea, beef will boost test levels from the saturated fat. Just dont go out and by cheap 80%lean.

Bulking, Shit EAT DAILY if you like lol
Cutting, like lifter i would try 1ce a week and see how it goes.

 

[suckamc44]

I'd suggest maybe getting some fish in there too, some personal favorites(from fishiest to mildest): salmon, cod, yellowtail, dorado(mahi-mahi), white sea bass, cabrillia(spotted bay bass), halibut, triggerfish, tilapia. I know some people don't like the taste of fish(or the cost), but I've found that it's a great addition to my diet. Plus, I go on several fishing trips a year, so my meat freezer is typically packed with at least a couple of the above varieties.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Yea, i def see your point lifterforlife, But Reguardless if we are bodybuilders or powerlifters, HOW WE LOOK is done in the kitchen.

Nice line, but not all together true.

Yes, leg presses can be used at half rom to target a specific range/specific muscle of course. BUT would MOST trainers recommend half rom, to only hit the qauds? No, they would recommend the LEG Press because it easier then squatting.

Many bodybuidlers report better quad growth from leg press. You are making a blanket statement from something you read you cannot back up. I have n=1 data for instance that verifies my stance. My last 2 contests, due to bad lower back, I did exclusively leg press work, and did just fine.

hs, for example, can be on a HIGH carb diet, with little bodyfat gain. While an Endomorph, most are very insulin/carb sensitive so thier diets are lower in carbs. (If the traininer knows why the macros need to be where they are, he atleast knows nutrition, to an extent)

Again, nice regurgitating of material, but again a blanket statement.

ck to, we are bodybuilders, not powerlifters, I know this, and i dont know why people really seperate the two, THEY ARE COMPLETEY DIFFERENT SPORTS, but they are in the same field.

Yes, they are different sports and while there is certainly overlap, each has its very own individual distinct needs.

lifter is BIG/Unshaped because of his diet. HIS DIET controlls how he looks (if he is one of the I EAT ANYTHING powerlifters, then yes, his physique doesnt fit bodybuilding criteria.) BUT what if he ATE 7,000 CLEAN CALORIES, OF ALL CHICKEN/TUNA/Cassein/Whey. Yes he would LOOK extremely good, infact i bet he would be MISTAKEN at some points for a Bodybuilder.

This is a supposition...it is a rare case that a power lifter looks like a bodybuilder(one that can actually can actually put up high numbers).

Sqautting should be an ESSENTIAL part of your LEG arsenal, reguardless if you are a powerlifter/bodybuilder. THEN Leg Presses for additional work. Now you said, most are fatiqued before the quads are completely killed, So why not throw in SOME FRONT SQAUTS.

Nowhere did I say MOST are fatigued from squats. Re read the post.

Anything on a set plane(such as a leg press) can not be compared to being as effective as the Squat, A compound excercise, Where you actually have to move your body through space(proven to be more effective then moving wieght through space)

This is not true, leg presses can be equally effective to isolate quads, in fact maybe moreso. Experience my friend......not everything is cut and dry.

 

[Lifterforlife]

MM is a hybrid of both! lol.

I agree with the rest of your post

I began my training in a powerlifting environment, and still to this day train that way. A blend of both.

My problem is with people on both sides taking these abolute stances....ever hear these...

Machines are the greatest
Machines suck
Free weights are the only way to build
No, isolation is better
Slow static training is the best
No, speed training is the best
Steady state cardio is the best
No, intervals are the best
Stretching before a workout is optimal
No, stretching before a workout can cause damage

shall I go on??? Bodybuilding nor powerlifting is "team" sport. Find what works for YOU!(intelligent training)