Beef Has "Better" Protein Than Chicken? O.o

[Roofus]

Over the last couple months my roommate has been getting more and more interested in getting in better shape. So he asked me to help him out.
The first thing I did was have him go to calorieking.com and also do his CKD worksheet.

After he got some details I helped him build a diet of five meals; one meal outmeal, then four meals chicken and brocolli. After 15 days we broadened his diet as long as it stayed low carb and met his CKD goals.

This week he decided to get back into the gym. But he has a bad shoulder, so he went to a local gym where one of his friends knows the head trainer and spoke to him about shoulder reginerating excersizes, diet, etc.

Upon coming home, he told me that he told the trainer about my personal diet, and the trainer told him that I should eat more beef than chicken, because "beef has better proteins." I told my roommate that I thought he possibly meant "more protein" (though upon looking it up I don't know that to be true either because calorieking.com says that a 4oz serving of ground beef has roughly 23g protein and 4oz of chicken breast contains 35g protein.)

After discussing this with my roommate, he asked me to post on here with this story and get some comments from you guys because he wants to know if he can trust what this guy is telling him.

I know my biology is a little weak, but I would think a protein is a protein is a protein. The body shouldn't know the difference between a chicken protein and a beef protein, they should both just be protein. One meat of the same oz may have more or less protein, but that protein should be interpreted the same way inside the body. I have never heard of one meat or the other having "better" or "better quality" protein.

Can I get some comments on this? I'd just like to hear the real deal on this and maybe have some questions my roommate can ask this guy to know if he is legit and just got misinterpreted, or is full of crap, before he goes and pays money to get trained by the dude.

Thanks guys!

 

[mm107]

roofus,

in general, a protein is a protein. BUT some proteins, such as proteins that come from plants are incomplete (meaning they are missing certain amino acids, in wich your body will need to replace to use as a protein)

Beef and chicken have relatively the same types of proteins so this is not the case, it usually has to do with plant proteins, etc.

such as, beans and rice, even tho the rice is not high in protein, it helps fill in the chain of amino acids, that the beans are missing. So when you do this you get a "complete protein".

I know it might sound confusing, but some proteins are better then others, BUT BEEf and Chicken, the only benefit from beef is the saturated fat for males. and too much is negative

 

[SgtSlaughter]

red meat = cholestoral = positive for our Testosterone pumping bodies.
^^ That may be what he was meaning to spit out instead of better protein?

Quality post MM... but one thing...

Too much of anything is bad

 

[mm107]

red meat = cholestoral = positive for our Testosterone pumping bodies.
^^ That may be what he was meaning to spit out instead of better protein?

Quality post MM... but one thing...

Too much of anything is bad

Yeap, everything in moderation. I hardley eat beef/red meat. BUT i try to have it atleast 1x week. 2x if im lucky

 

[g35mann]

well besides the sat fat.. i would have to argue that indeed beef indeed is better than chicken. Eggs have the best amino acid profile but beef does have a slight advantage over chicken. Not to forget the creatine(altough small amount) and decent amount of vitamins beef comes on top. But by no means am i saying 80% beef rocks chicken. Stick with 95% or better and pls pls pls go organic grass fed...tastse so so so much better and less sat fat! But 95/5 organic cost $5 a pound....

 

[Roofus]

Beef and chicken have relatively the same types of proteins so this is not the case, it usually has to do with plant proteins, etc.

BUT BEEf and Chicken, the only benefit from beef is the saturated fat for males. and too much is negative

Ok, alot of other good info. But this is mainly all I was getting at. When only looking at protein, a beef and chicken protein is the same. Red meat gives males an added benefit of sat. fat.

Am I stating this correctly?

So if this guy is telling my roommate that a beef protein is better than a chicken protein...

What are some good questions to ask him to know whether he is knowledgable enough for my roommate to be spending his money to have the guy train him?
Thanks again!
Karma all around.

 

[Rainbows]

it's all about amino acid profile, and the best sources of balanced protein (the best) are turkey and cottage cheese

 

[mm107]

Ok, alot of other good info. But this is mainly all I was getting at. When only looking at protein, a beef and chicken protein is the same. Red meat gives males an added benefit of sat. fat.

Am I stating this correctly?

So if this guy is telling my roommate that a beef protein is better than a chicken protein...

What are some good questions to ask him to know whether he is knowledgable enough for my roommate to be spending his money to have the guy train him?
Thanks again!
Karma all around.

Ask him these simple questions...

What are the 3 best excercises to perform for strenght
A: Bench/Squat/Deadlift

Do you sqaut? If Yes ask him how low he goes, if he says only parrelel because any further is bad, IS UNTRUE. Pararel is HARDER because it bsaically stops the momemntum on your knee joints/tendons etc. Going ass to grass is easier on the knees because it transfers weight onto he hips, wich can hold way more weight then the knees. IF he says he doesnt sqaut because he doesnt need to, then you know the answer.

Ask him, since beef is the best protein, ask him what your macro ratios should be, A normal answer, would be 40/30/30 | 30/40/30 But if he says something totaly not around that, then hes a moron.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Well, beef does have some nutritional advantages, and I am quite sure that is what he was speaking of. Beef contains all five B-complex vitamins - thiamin, riboflavin, niacin, B6 and B12. It is also a good source of iron, which many women lack, and men usually avoid in their supplements. An excellent source of zinc also.

 

[mm107]

??
Type-o?

of course its a type baby! Im a self apppointment guru in fitness, not english lol

 

[Marcoparc]

How do most of you incorporate beef into your diet?

A lot of people here mention ground beef. How do you prepare it?

 

[SgtSlaughter]

of course its a type baby! Im a self apppointment guru in fitness, not english lol

PM

 

[Lifterforlife]

How do most of you incorporate beef into your diet?

A lot of people here mention ground beef. How do you prepare it?

I am all about a good steak! Beef as I mentioned is high in zinc and a decent amount of saturated fat. Both are good for test levels, so if bulking, eat up! Even on a cut diet, I have beef once per week.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Ask him these simple questions...

What are the 3 best excercises to perform for strenght
A: Bench/Squat/Deadlift

Do you sqaut? If Yes ask him how low he goes, if he says only parrelel because any further is bad, IS UNTRUE.
Pararel is HARDER because it bsaically stops the momemntum on your knee joints/tendons etc. Going ass to grass is easier on the knees because it transfers weight onto he hips, wich can hold way more weight then the knees. IF he says he doesnt sqaut because he doesnt need to, then you know the answer.

Ask him, since beef is the best protein, ask him what your macro ratios should be, A normal answer, would be 40/30/30 | 30/40/30 But if he says something totaly not around that, then hes a moron.

Moron is a pretty strong word to use with both of your examples. First off, with squatting, it is dependent on what he is trying to accomplish. A partial squat or yes, even a leg press can be useful to limit one's rom and allow targeting of quads without involving the glutes for instance. (we are not powerlifters, bodybuilding is the key). In fact, many swear by leg presses. Some folks get so fatigued from squats that they actually miss out on quad work(fatigue sets in before quads are worked).

And as far as diet, there are tons of different macros. Your suggestions are basically isocaloric, many in fact swear by and gain great on a 50/20/30 p/c/f for instance.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

(we are not powerlifters, bodybuilding is the key)

MM is a hybrid of both! lol.

I agree with the rest of your post

 

[mm107]

Moron is a pretty strong word to use with both of your examples. First off, with squatting, it is dependent on what he is trying to accomplish. A partial squat or yes, even a leg press can be useful to limit one's rom and allow targeting of quads without involving the glutes for instance. (we are not powerlifters, bodybuilding is the key). In fact, many swear by leg presses. Some folks get so fatigued from squats that they actually miss out on quad work(fatigue sets in before quads are worked).

And as far as diet, there are tons of different macros. Your suggestions are basically isocaloric, many in fact swear by and gain great on a 50/20/30 p/c/f for instance.

Yea, i def see your point lifterforlife, But Reguardless if we are bodybuilders or powerlifters, HOW WE LOOK is done in the kitchen.

Yes, leg presses can be used at half rom to target a specific range/specific muscle of course. BUT would MOST trainers recommend half rom, to only hit the qauds? No, they would recommend the LEG Press because it easier then squatting.

I know there are plenty of macros to play with, AS long as the trainer knows there needs to be a balnce somewhere then he atleast knows that. Ive heard alot of trainers tell me or others "Your body doesnt need fat, let the body eat the fat from your body" meaning the split would be 70/30/0 , or 50/50/0 and so on. As long as he can EXPLAIN WHY the macros are they way they are then he is fine.

Ectomophs, for example, can be on a HIGH carb diet, with little bodyfat gain. While an Endomorph, most are very insulin/carb sensitive so thier diets are lower in carbs. (If the traininer knows why the macros need to be where they are, he atleast knows nutrition, to an extent)

Now, back to, we are bodybuilders, not powerlifters, I know this, and i dont know why people really seperate the two, THEY ARE COMPLETEY DIFFERENT SPORTS, but they are in the same field. A powerlifter is BIG/Unshaped because of his diet. HIS DIET controlls how he looks (if he is one of the I EAT ANYTHING powerlifters, then yes, his physique doesnt fit bodybuilding criteria.) BUT what if he ATE 7,000 CLEAN CALORIES, OF ALL CHICKEN/TUNA/Cassein/Whey. Yes he would LOOK extremely good, infact i bet he would be MISTAKEN at some points for a Bodybuilder.

Sqautting should be an ESSENTIAL part of your LEG arsenal, reguardless if you are a powerlifter/bodybuilder. THEN Leg Presses for additional work. Now you said, most are fatiqued before the quads are completely killed, So why not throw in SOME FRONT SQAUTS.

Anything on a set plane(such as a leg press) can not be compared to being as effective as the Squat, A compound excercise, Where you actually have to move your body through space(proven to be more effective then moving wieght through space)

And from his post, hes obviously asking advice on how to Pick a Personal trainer right? Meaning, he probably doesnt look like a bodybuilder(no offense at all trust me) so i doubt he has to worry about building specifc body parts(yet)

He should be worrying about CORE strenght and compound excercises, just as much as a Powerlifter. Remember, LOOKING GOOD IS ALL IN THE KITCHEN.

This is Just my opinion, Lifter, you make some GREAT points, so i cant take anything away from ya answer at all. Just my opinion.

 

[mm107]

I am all about a good steak! Beef as I mentioned is high in zinc and a decent amount of saturated fat. Both are good for test levels, so if bulking, eat up! Even on a cut diet, I have beef once per week.

Yea, beef will boost test levels from the saturated fat. Just dont go out and by cheap 80%lean.

Bulking, Shit EAT DAILY if you like lol
Cutting, like lifter i would try 1ce a week and see how it goes.

 

[suckamc44]

I'd suggest maybe getting some fish in there too, some personal favorites(from fishiest to mildest): salmon, cod, yellowtail, dorado(mahi-mahi), white sea bass, cabrillia(spotted bay bass), halibut, triggerfish, tilapia. I know some people don't like the taste of fish(or the cost), but I've found that it's a great addition to my diet. Plus, I go on several fishing trips a year, so my meat freezer is typically packed with at least a couple of the above varieties.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Yea, i def see your point lifterforlife, But Reguardless if we are bodybuilders or powerlifters, HOW WE LOOK is done in the kitchen.

Nice line, but not all together true.

Yes, leg presses can be used at half rom to target a specific range/specific muscle of course. BUT would MOST trainers recommend half rom, to only hit the qauds? No, they would recommend the LEG Press because it easier then squatting.

Many bodybuidlers report better quad growth from leg press. You are making a blanket statement from something you read you cannot back up. I have n=1 data for instance that verifies my stance. My last 2 contests, due to bad lower back, I did exclusively leg press work, and did just fine.

hs, for example, can be on a HIGH carb diet, with little bodyfat gain. While an Endomorph, most are very insulin/carb sensitive so thier diets are lower in carbs. (If the traininer knows why the macros need to be where they are, he atleast knows nutrition, to an extent)

Again, nice regurgitating of material, but again a blanket statement.

ck to, we are bodybuilders, not powerlifters, I know this, and i dont know why people really seperate the two, THEY ARE COMPLETEY DIFFERENT SPORTS, but they are in the same field.

Yes, they are different sports and while there is certainly overlap, each has its very own individual distinct needs.

lifter is BIG/Unshaped because of his diet. HIS DIET controlls how he looks (if he is one of the I EAT ANYTHING powerlifters, then yes, his physique doesnt fit bodybuilding criteria.) BUT what if he ATE 7,000 CLEAN CALORIES, OF ALL CHICKEN/TUNA/Cassein/Whey. Yes he would LOOK extremely good, infact i bet he would be MISTAKEN at some points for a Bodybuilder.

This is a supposition...it is a rare case that a power lifter looks like a bodybuilder(one that can actually can actually put up high numbers).

Sqautting should be an ESSENTIAL part of your LEG arsenal, reguardless if you are a powerlifter/bodybuilder. THEN Leg Presses for additional work. Now you said, most are fatiqued before the quads are completely killed, So why not throw in SOME FRONT SQAUTS.

Nowhere did I say MOST are fatigued from squats. Re read the post.

Anything on a set plane(such as a leg press) can not be compared to being as effective as the Squat, A compound excercise, Where you actually have to move your body through space(proven to be more effective then moving wieght through space)

This is not true, leg presses can be equally effective to isolate quads, in fact maybe moreso. Experience my friend......not everything is cut and dry.

 

[Lifterforlife]

MM is a hybrid of both! lol.

I agree with the rest of your post

I began my training in a powerlifting environment, and still to this day train that way. A blend of both.

My problem is with people on both sides taking these abolute stances....ever hear these...

Machines are the greatest
Machines suck
Free weights are the only way to build
No, isolation is better
Slow static training is the best
No, speed training is the best
Steady state cardio is the best
No, intervals are the best
Stretching before a workout is optimal
No, stretching before a workout can cause damage

shall I go on??? Bodybuilding nor powerlifting is "team" sport. Find what works for YOU!(intelligent training)

 

[mm107]

I began my training in a powerlifting environment, and still to this day train that way. A blend of both.

My problem is with people on both sides taking these abolute stances....ever hear these...

Machines are the greatest
Machines suck
Free weights are the only way to build
No, isolation is better
Slow static training is the best
No, speed training is the best
Steady state cardio is the best
No, intervals are the best
Stretching before a workout is optimal
No, stretching before a workout can cause damage

shall I go on??? Bodybuilding nor powerlifting is "team" sport. Find what works for YOU!(intelligent training)

me = owned lol

nice post lifter

 

[maccer]

quality thread good work MM and lifter

Lifter you should right a book!

 

[musclemom]

red meat = cholestoral = positive for our Testosterone pumping bodies.
^^ That may be what he was meaning to spit out instead of better protein?

Quality post MM... but one thing...

Too much of anything is bad

Damn good point about cholesterol, I also wanted to bring up the fact that beef is a pinch higher in natural CoQ 10 than chicken, the organ meats being the highest (but I'll pass on those particular delicacies ...)

I will now return this thread to it's hijacked status

 

[g35mann]

Moron is a pretty strong word to use with both of your examples. First off, with squatting, it is dependent on what he is trying to accomplish. A partial squat or yes, even a leg press can be useful to limit one's rom and allow targeting of quads without involving the glutes for instance. (we are not powerlifters, bodybuilding is the key). In fact, many swear by leg presses. Some folks get so fatigued from squats that they actually miss out on quad work(fatigue sets in before quads are worked).

And as far as diet, there are tons of different macros. Your suggestions are basically isocaloric, many in fact swear by and gain great on a 50/20/30 p/c/f for instance.

Wow lifter, I cannot agree more with you here.
It all depends.. What about the clean and press? ide say that should be on your list even though noone does that anymore. And also 40/30/30? honestly that ratio seems way outa wack to me but for others it might be gold . As lifter said whatever works the best for you. Everyones different, try diff things and see what works best for you.