Atkins type diet on mostly protien bars

[crimson coal]

How would a high protein high fat low carb diet work if you got over half your protien from protien bars? I don't have alot of time during the day to eat alot of foods. The protien bars I eat are 33 grams of protien, 8 grams of fat and 3 grams of carbs. If I was to eat about 8 of these a day and the rest in steak, chicken, fish,eggs etc. would this still work for the diet? It seems it would because I would still be under 30 grams a day in carbs and my protien to fat ratio would be high.

This sound like a good lazymans way to a high pro low carb diet?

 

[diamonddiceclay]

the quality of the carbs and protein is lower coming from bars than real food-but if that's all you have time for, it's better than nothing

 

[Big Johnson]

Bro, I like low carb diets for losing fat, but you won't be able to keep building muscle on one. Why not go with a diet that is high protein, moderate complex carbs, and low fat? You will lose body fat and still keep your insulin levels high enough to support muscle growth.

 

[crimson coal]

well I( am on quite abit of juice at the moment so I am hoping on keeping the muscle that I do have. I am on 600 eq, 100 winny a day, 40 anavar, gh, 500 trembolone, Think I can hold my muscle with this? Or with all this can I eat shit food and still get ripped? (I fricken wish)

 

[diamonddiceclay]

even on juice, diet is key

 

[Andy13]

well I( am on quite abit of juice at the moment so I am hoping on keeping the muscle that I do have. I am on 600 eq, 100 winny a day, 40 anavar, gh, 500 trembolone, Think I can hold my muscle with this? Or with all this can I eat shit food and still get ripped? (I fricken wish)

Keto diets (not CKD's) are pretty good at preserving muscle. This means that, during this time, provided the body is at rest, muscles will use nearly 100% fats for their fuels.

However, we are talking about two different things here. Preserving muscle and and anabolic response to hormones are two different things. Keto diets (again, NOT CKD's) preserve muscle by not using aminos for fuel. This takes a few days once the diet has started. Beforehand, you will lose lots of aminos in your decent into ketosis.

Preserving muscle the way keto diets do is not the same as an anabolic response from hormones. Keto diets are lousy at providing an anabolic environment for hormones. The reason is because of the lack of insulin. Insulin is needed to drive aminos and glucose into muscles. Your body simply will not respond well to exergeneous hormones while on a keto diet because of this. Are all of those drugs a waste? Absolutely. Are they better than nothing? Probably.. But remember, straight keto diets are already good at preserving muscle... But not so good at building it. And androgens are anabolic not anti-catabolic (there are instances where androgens are anti-catabolic. but they are not significant here).

My opinion? For the natural BBer, keto diets might be an OK choice.. But if you are a chemically enhanced BBer, you will see better results from 33.33.33. Again, this will vary depending on your goal. I realize that keto diets provide an initial metabolic advantage that is indeed quantifiable. So if you goal is pure fat loss, then you may very well go this route. But I still think that a guy on AAS should choose to lose fat (perhaps more slowly) with a diet that is at least 1/3 carbohydrate. Here you will still lose body fat and the anabolic environment needed for growth response from exergeneous hormones is still present. Will you grow as much as you would on high calories? Of course not.. But there WILL be an anabolic response nonetheless.

Andy

 

[Andy13]

Forgot to add...


Since you are using so many drugs, It's my opinion that you should NOT use a keto diet..

But if you are hell bent on doing it anyway, watch those protein bars... Many contain glycerine (or glycerol). That enters gluconegenesis in the liver and, concequently, can cause you to lose muscle by not allowing you to be in "full" ketosis.

How does this happen? Your body makes enzymes to turn acetyl units derived from beta oxidation of fatty acids into ketone bodies. You normally have some of these enzymes present since some tissues prefer ketone bodies for their fuel. But your levels of these keto enzymes increases tremendously in response to zero carbs. In essence, your body switches from "glucose mode" to "keto mode." When you eat glycerine, your body doesn't need to convert as many fats into ketones since it has a way to make glucose.. The result is LESS keto enzymes and increased gluconeogenesis. This situation is where aminos from muscle are used to make glucose.

Bottom line- it's either all or nothing.. The more glucose you consume on a keto diet, the worse it is for preserving muscle.. The less glucose, the better you are at preserving muscle.. So "low carbs" is worse than no carbs for keeping muscle.

Andy

 

[Golfer18--old]

Dont believe everything u read on those protein bars. Lewd has some info on that, sorry i cant find it

 

[Rhinoceros]

Those 3g carb bars have a lot more than 3g of carbs. You need to count the glycerol in them, too. Take the total grams of fat and multiply by 9 to get the fat calories. Then take the total grams of protein and carbs and multiply by 4 to get the protein/carb calories. Then add it all up and compare to the total calories listed for the bar. The total calories will be quite a bit more than the sum of the fat, protein and carb calories. The difference is the glycerol, which is basically a carb and should be counted as such. Take this difference and divide by 4 and you'll get the grams of "hidden" carbs in the bar. For my ISS Research bars, there were about 30 g. of hidden carbs in each bar. I don't buy these things anymore, I think it's close to fraud.

Rhino

 

[Golfer18--old]

Well stated Rhino