AS users, opinion of natural bodybuilders

[big_bad_buff]

After gaining 23 pounds...

Genetics huh? I have the MENTAL genetics. Most people don't. Yes...I was born with a larger than average frame...but it was my MENTAL genetics which have made me who I am.

B True

i'm sure your very dedicated to the sport, but genetics have a lot to do with your size( frame) which makes it possible to Optain more muscle mass...anyways my point is no matter how big you are now, you could get a lot bigger with the use of AB. the end.......hell i dont even know what this post is about lol......tight hair bro, back in the brain bosworth days heheh

 

[vinylgroover]

At the end of the day, assuming an equal level of training output and effort, steroids obviously make it easier to gain muscle. To sit here and speculate that one individual trains harder than another because they are either natural or on steroids is just that, speculation.

Secondly, steroids will put muscles on a broomstick IMO. I can't understand why people say 'but you've still got to have good genetics or 'you still need to bust your ass' or 'your diet has to be right' etc. That may be the case when comparing Mr Olympia to the average Joe, but steroids will put muscle even on those who don't bust their ass or diet right or have the dedication.

There has been extensive research done where steroids have been administered to sedentary people who showed an increase in lean muscle mass, albeit very slight, after a regimen of steroids with NO WEIGHT TRAINING.

But, at the end of the day, the person who takes steroids in not a cheat. Who are they cheating. If someone takes it for personal reasons who are they cheating. This isn't a contest, it's a conscious decision a steroid user takes that affects no one other than that particular person. How and why then do natural guys feel as if they have been cheated in any way. That i don't understand.

 

[Thaibox]

MENTAL genetics

 

[JOKER47]

This is possibly the worst argument I've ever read on the issue.

Its essentially like saying: "I squirted juice in my shoes and didnt grow, therefore roids don't work, and dont make it any easier to grow."

Comparing an obviously botched cycle to a good natural regimine is apples to oranges.

All else being equal juice will never make it HARDER to grow, and provided you at least do a little training they will make it EASIER to grow. I mean thats the whole reason people use em' for shit sakes.

I never said gear does not work. I was mearly trying to reiterate the point that they are not "magic".

Apples to oranges? How is that? Both cases need quality training and diet.

I think you mis-interpreted my post.

Joker

 

[JOKER47]

You don't give a shit what women think of the way you look? Wow. I do. I love women, and I haven't heard too many complaints from them about my body and I'm barely 200 pounds. I wouldn't want to be much more. Even with single digit bf you can start to look like a "fat guy" in clothes. Funny, isn't it? You think a guy who's 190 pounds is a little bitch, yet he's the one who everyone thinks looks good. But hey, everyone is entitled to look any way they want. And to bring this conversation full circle, roids can help you do that. But the potential for abuse is there. You just have to watch the warning signs. I think the first is when you don't give a shit want women think of the way you look.

Sounds to me like you are a little insecure with your size, and rely on the smile of a woman to make you feel good about yourself.

BTW, I am only 200lbs myself. Apparently a "little bitch" like yourself.

That is all,
Joker

 

[Exodus]

i have never taking AS before. Neither has B fold.

Neither one of us have great genetics, we were both sticks untill we got into trainging, now he does have a much larger frame, he's 6"2, im 5"10. but he hit the nail on the head, MENTAL GENETICS........ B fold is incredibly smart, he doesnt take things for granted, he studies on his own, and tries things himself. He has the attitude of a winner and some who didnt see genetic limitations. Even if he does use, i would fully support it becuase i know that he has done his homework. Now im only 240lbs, but i dont have near the strength to brag or size to gloat about. But i am only 21, i have been seriously training for 5 years with good progress. Maybe one day i will take juice maybe i wont. The fact i think that does seperate the Elite from the rest is MENTAL GENETICS (with or without AS)

Belive, and then find a way, whatever that may be.

Oh yeah one last thing, AS is only illegal in the U.S.A. and Canada.

X

 

[Nelson Montana]

Joker: What the hell are you talking about? That post was intended for the guy who said he didn't care about how women percieved him. You're acting like it's a personal attack toward you.

First you make the ridiculous comment that AS don't work. Then you make an asinine accusation that I'm insecure about my size when I just said it's easier to get bigger with roids but I choose not to. Then you deny your first statment. Get your head out of your ass dude. Everone is entitled to an opinion but don't start shitting on people, especially when you haven't got a clue as to what you're saying.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I also think it's hilarious when 21 year old guys say they had bad genetics! You've barely stopped adolescent development! Your skeletal structure is about a year old! How can you possibly judge your potential when you've only been an adult for a short while?

Judging from the early picture of B True, even though he hasn't got much muscle you can tell he has a good frame, round muscle bellys and a mesomorphic body type, making him a perfect candidate for maximum development.

 

[Bullit]

At the end of the day, assuming an equal level of training output and effort, steroids obviously make it easier to gain muscle. To sit here and speculate that one individual trains harder than another because they are either natural or on steroids is just that, speculation.

Secondly, steroids will put muscles on a broomstick IMO. I can't understand why people say 'but you've still got to have good genetics or 'you still need to bust your ass' or 'your diet has to be right' etc. That may be the case when comparing Mr Olympia to the average Joe, but steroids will put muscle even on those who don't bust their ass or diet right or have the dedication.

There has been extensive research done where steroids have been administered to sedentary people who showed an increase in lean muscle mass, albeit very slight, after a regimen of steroids with NO WEIGHT TRAINING.

Word.

 

[Bullit]

i Oh yeah one last thing, AS is only illegal in the U.S.A. and Canada.

X

Is this true?
So everywhere else you can just pop into the local drugstore and pick up gear?